tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post1873020796534448092..comments2024-03-26T19:02:26.847-07:00Comments on Amway - The Dream Or The Scheme?: How Uplines Suck You Into The SystemJoecoolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-47000908533658330172018-05-21T17:57:26.051-07:002018-05-21T17:57:26.051-07:00I agree. The claim seems implausible. Nobody qui...I agree. The claim seems implausible. Nobody quitting, people still generating bonuses, and there's a requirement for an IBO to have their own volume to qualify for bonuses so that comment was likely just made up. Last activity was in 2009. I'd say a snowball has as much chance in a fire as someone does of having income from Amway after all of years of no activity.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-47822569816892988222018-05-21T12:53:19.355-07:002018-05-21T12:53:19.355-07:00Joe, I simply don't see what this guy (at 8 PM...Joe, I simply don't see what this guy (at 8 PM) can possibly mean. Being totally inactive in Amway for nine years, and still getting a 700 to 1000 dollar check a month, isn't plausible at all!<br /><br />Amway would be advertising this guy in every word they publish -- he'd be a poster-boy for "residual income."<br /><br />Without constant effort to replace drop-outs among your down-line IBOs (called "the churn"), your legs would collapse like a punctured balloon. And without retailing any products of your own to customers, how would you qualify for a rebate at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-18182327322024947622018-05-21T12:14:20.847-07:002018-05-21T12:14:20.847-07:00If your claim of receiving $700 to $1100 a month i...If your claim of receiving $700 to $1100 a month is true, that would mean that people aren't quitting or going inactive in your former group. That is extremely unlikely. Also, where are you getting the side volume that's needed in order to qualify for these bonuses?Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-14008211126620023952018-05-20T20:00:09.804-07:002018-05-20T20:00:09.804-07:00I am currently an inactive Amway IBO. My last acti...I am currently an inactive Amway IBO. My last activity was in 2009. While actively building my business I was able to achieve the founders Saphire level and was in Emerald qualification twice although not able to complete the 6 month hold either time. I have not been to a meeting or done anything with the business in the last 9 years. I still receive a check monthly, it ranges between 700.00 and 1100.00. That is a great part of the opportunity, income, although no where near what it once was continues. <br /> I do believe there were many system abuses. Truthfully, especially in my case I was not aware of them. I was caught up right in the middle because I promoted everything my up line told me too. If I could do it over again, I believe I would have filtered many thing from my group. Unfortunately, I was part of a Diamond organization that had a very self centered leader. He was never loyal to his upline and I believe he did that on purpose to isolate his group. By plugging in further upline, there would have been much more integrity and probably way more growth. It is unfortunate that so many people, even in my own organization innocently invested money and time for no financial results. We had 7 downline platinums, although many of them were profitable very few others were. I think it is a good business but each and every IBO should evaluate their progress vs their outgo as you would with any other traditional business. If it's not working, go do something else. Stop throwing money in your upline's pockets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-89204741362675082932017-08-18T15:25:01.713-07:002017-08-18T15:25:01.713-07:00What is with these Ambots? Are they high on those ...What is with these Ambots? Are they high on those nutrient supplements?<br />So much BSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-53577540952303729852017-08-18T12:18:37.665-07:002017-08-18T12:18:37.665-07:00The Anonymous broad who wrote in at 3:20 PM is bey...The Anonymous broad who wrote in at 3:20 PM is beyond belief. If this is the mentality of the average IBO, Amway is truly a loony-bin.<br /><br />She can't spell:<br /><br />"latter" (ladder)<br />"pryhamid" (pyramid)<br />"ponsey" (Ponzi)<br />"steelers" (stealers)<br />"Annonymous" (Anonymous)<br /><br />And she actually thinks that she and her husband will retire as Diamonds by the age of 30. P.T. Barnum was right -- there's a sucker born every minute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-58348953966505139052017-08-17T15:42:01.123-07:002017-08-17T15:42:01.123-07:00��❤️����
I know right!!!?��❤️����<br /><br />I know right!!!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-74962243877703817932017-08-17T15:40:54.624-07:002017-08-17T15:40:54.624-07:00Nope that's not true with all organizations.
...Nope that's not true with all organizations. <br />There are 1000's of organizations linked to Amway. Research the organizations. Amway's amazing the people you're working with is a different story. My upline I've known for years and watched her grow. She's invested lots of money into samples and gifts for me and my downlines! When I first started my business I'm sure she invested $$$ hundreds into me and gave me her time. Her upline did the same and so on until we made the money to invest into our downlines and samples and things. She helped me make money before I had to invest more. <br /><br />So no don't lump your group in with all of them. Our team is the best!!!<br /><br />Just like the NFL some teams crush it some don't. So don't judge the whole NFL off one team. <br /><br />❤️����‼️<br /><br />I love my upline and so do the other hundreds of downlines she has and thousands of people in our organization and people even in others. Find a great team and group of people. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-64793541946067332532017-08-17T15:34:54.598-07:002017-08-17T15:34:54.598-07:00You can't lose money... you lose money by goin...You can't lose money... you lose money by going out to a bar and getting smashed and waking up with a hangover. That's losing money. Purchasing products from amway is the same as going to Walmart. You buy what you need! Then the suggestions to go to a conference or something isn't a lose of money. Going to a Taylor Swift concert is a lose of money <br />(nothing against Taylor ����❤️)<br />You gain valuable information and principals. You can't lose money. You're just spending the money you'd spend anyway another way. The thing is. If you're TAKING ACTION and APPLY what you learn you'll start making money also. <br /><br />You actually have to do stuff to make money. Crazy I know. <br /><br />So those that quit and wanna hate!<br /><br />Did you work at getting customers? Like more than one time. How many people and businessss did you share your products and business with? How many people knew about your business? And did you talk to them and explain things to them? Did you show them your website or just text them a link?<br /><br />Did you read the books suggested or did you decide to spend all your money on Starbucks 5x a week instead of educating yourself?<br /><br />What did you do to create success for yourself? Did you do anything?<br /><br />Did you make one phone call a week and tell yourself "IM KILLING IT!" But get mad you made like $5????<br /><br />Check YOURSELF! <br /><br />Work Ethic <--- the action<br />Integrity <--- You<br />Accountability <--- are you accountable or an excuse maker?<br /><br /><br />Don't hate! Just check yourself. <br /><br />Ask if your actions are duplicatable!? Are they or were they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-90021614110868495502017-08-17T15:20:10.587-07:002017-08-17T15:20:10.587-07:00Someone that even utters the words pyramid scheme ...Someone that even utters the words pyramid scheme is too ignorant to even talk about business. <br /><br />For those other than this poster, ask why is a Pyramid? Besides a structure out of Egypt hahaha people have gotten the idea of it being the top of the latter. The top person makes all the money. Well in a traditional corporate business structure that's exactly what a business is. The Owner/CEO makes the top dollar and the money trickles down. <br /><br />Ask yourself <br />1. Do you have a boss? Someone above you?<br />2. Do you make more or less money than they do?<br />3. Unless replacing them can or or will you ever make more money than your boss or CEO working where you work?<br /><br />No you won't and can't as an employee there. <br /><br />The structure with owning an Amway business of your own means you will work with others and grow your business and have many people within your down line. Like. Franchise you want more than just one. <br />If you owned a 7-11 and your friend Joe started <br />a 7-11 franchise also but had 3 locations and you only had 1 location. The question is who makes more money? You or Joe? <br />Joe of course. Same in owning an amway business. You can start your business before Joe but if Joe creates more volume in his business than you do is yours he makes more money than you I.E. not a pryhamid. <br /><br />When ignorant people say pryhamid scheme, what they mean is a ponsey scheme which is something totally different. It's the movement of money and sales of ideas. No actually product is involved. They are illegal and generally get shut down in 6 months. <br /><br />Amway is a manufacture! That's what Amway is. It's the means. The supplies. We, Me, You are the business. So you either work your business and make success happen with the helpful hand of an active growing mentor or you don't. Either way your failure is on you and in this amazing and forgiving business you can't fail unless you straight quit!<br /><br />Some people go Diamond in 2 years. Some people go Diamond after 20 years. The thing is they did it. The time didn't matter to the winning soul that accomplished it! Because the lifestyle and income of an Amway Diamond isn't matched anywhere else!!!<br /><br />One thing for sure is I don't care if it took me 30 years to go Diamond because staying at a job I would NEVER EVER even have a chance to live a Diamond life style. So if I'm 50 living a Diamond lifestyle I'll take it. I'd rather work at that than just at a job and work until I physically can't or die!!!<br /><br />One amazing fact is it won't take me until I'm 50! My husband and I will both retire in our 30's!!!<br /><br /><br />Don't listen to dream steelers and haters. Get facts and information from an active growing IBO! Not Annonymous people online!!!<br /><br />Seriously. Do you even research the job you work at!? Like what kind of company are you at now? If you googled it and found haters would you quit? I doubt it cuz you need that paycheck right!? So seriously why wouldn't you get informed by real people about literally the most incredible opportunity you'll probably ever see in your life?<br /><br /><br />Get Facts. Not Opinions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-18640169632055826322017-07-18T10:25:56.763-07:002017-07-18T10:25:56.763-07:00Amway is more like a gym membership where you join...Amway is more like a gym membership where you join, did everything the trainer advised only to find out you gained weight an got more flabby. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-83311891959945119352017-07-17T21:28:26.840-07:002017-07-17T21:28:26.840-07:00I think it's kind of funny that this guy tries...I think it's kind of funny that this guy tries to talk badly about Amway but the only people who have posted any comments on here support it. Me thinks somebody likes to get a gym membership, not workout, and then blame the gym for his lack of results!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13800751448788332611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-82914716899535691532017-01-03T12:41:21.914-08:002017-01-03T12:41:21.914-08:00Anonymous,
That different location in which you a...Anonymous,<br /><br />That different location in which you are buying products is not from you, it is from Amway. You pay more for generic products that have the same quality as thing you would find from Walmart, and you get a pathetic rebate check at the end of the month if you "qualify" by spending enough. <br /><br />You are also forced to pay a monthly membership for the "privilege" of shopping with Amway, and you have to attend meetings, listen to tapes, and show Amway to others in order to have the "opportunity" to make a little more return on the monthly purchases. All of these expenses make Amway more time consuming, as well as more expensive than shopping anywhere else.<br /><br />If you shop somewhere else you do not have to sign a contract, meet a monthly purchasing requirement, listen to propaganda tapes, go to other people's houses or approach people randomly, and the products are CHEAPER!<br /><br />Maybe you should be asking, why the heck would I shop at Amway? Everything else is simply better! Just saying!John Doehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186871105223753934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-10205006612580266782016-12-30T09:23:38.836-08:002016-12-30T09:23:38.836-08:00How could you "lose money" when all you ...How could you "lose money" when all you are doing is redirecting your spending to another location that pays you...I'm lost to see how the money you are already spending in a different location being invested into your own business can be considered a loss? Just saying! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-79579048973403327742016-11-10T07:03:41.496-08:002016-11-10T07:03:41.496-08:00Unknown said, "When people get sponsored, the...Unknown said, "When people get sponsored, their upline receives nothing from them getting started or even after they've been part of the business for years. Yes, every time some one gets sponsored and they're driving PV all the way up line, upline doesn't make their money alone with just that."<br /><br />Wow, I'm not sure if you refuse to proofread, or if you really didn't realize how bizarre this statement is. You just claimed upline doesn't receive anything from sponsoring, but they do receive something from sponsoring...do you realize how unequivocally flawed your logic is here? <br /><br />Now, let's get into the stuff you are wrong about. Upline gets paid as soon as their downline spends money on Amway products PERIOD. It doesn't matter if it is day 1, or day 1,000...upline gets paid every time a downline spends their dollars on Amway products. Also, this is where the bulk of upline's money comes from! If upline only gets money back from spending money on Amway products, then they will lose all of their money! The only way to make money is to recruit, recruit, recruit, because finding retail customers is nearly impossible.<br /><br />Unknown said, "If upline isn't investing into their own business and directing customers to their own business account, they don't get paid regardless of the amount of PV that is driving through their LOS." as well as, "So if you're not doing your part with buying your own products or getting customers to buy from you too, then yes, its a waste of money."<br /><br />Oi vey, the programming has gotten to you...<br /><br />You are not investing if you are buying products for your own personal consumption PERIOD. That makes you a CUSTOMER not a DISTRIBUTOR. If you make sales from directing people to your website, then you should not spend a DIME on products yourself...that isn't how sales works, that isn't how business works, that isn't how any of this works! You have been brainwashed into purchasing overpriced products, and you have been brainwashed to believe it is helping your business...<br /><br />If I were to open a car dealership, and I told my sales force the only way to make money is to buy my cars, and teach other people to becomes part of the sales force, because then you can get a bonus every time they buy a car from me...what do you think would happen? They would laugh in my face! This is the exact same thing you are doing with bad Amway products. You are describing a PYRAMID SCHEME! If you are self-consuming and teaching others to self-consume below you while generating a profit, then that is a pyramid...PERIOD!<br /><br />Unknown said, "Success is determined by you. Not by a system that was put together to show you the path. Its up to you to follow that path to success."<br /><br />No it isn't, success is a mathematically impossible scenario. This is more brainwashed jargon BS that your upline fed to you to keep you loyal. If you recruit 5 people, and they all recruit 5 people, and so on...you can only do that 13x before everyone on the planet would be in the business! Most of the Amway presentations ask you to try and get 12 people! THAT'S INSANE! There is no "path to success", there is only destruction and despair as you are caught on the never-ending treadmill of self-consumption and failure...RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!<br /><br />John Doehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186871105223753934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-14458348033861893222016-11-09T17:07:53.146-08:002016-11-09T17:07:53.146-08:00Typically, when someone gets sponsored as a "...Typically, when someone gets sponsored as a "business builder", upline makes money because the new business owner still usually purchase products, which drives up PV, and then business builders are expected to purchase tools, which directly profits the upline diamonds.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-65569325794125417382016-11-09T12:41:36.553-08:002016-11-09T12:41:36.553-08:00Where's your evidence to support that? How man...Where's your evidence to support that? How many years have you been part of the business? You say you're well education on it but honestly, I don't believe you are. When people get sponsored, their upline receives nothing from them getting started or even after they've been part of the business for years. Yes, every time some one gets sponsored and they're driving PV all the way up line, upline doesn't make their money alone with just that. If upline isn't investing into their own business and directing customers to their own business account, they don't get paid regardless of the amount of PV that is driving through their LOS. Sponsoring helps move up on the bonus scale so you can get a bigger percentage of YOUR OWN BUSINESS. So if you're not doing your part with buying your own products or getting customers to buy from you too, then yes, its a waste of money. I've only been in this business for a year along with my personal mentors and we've both have witnessed TWO of our uplines being successfully. One of them it took 10 years and the other one took only 3 years. The results are determined by you and only you. If you want it bad enough, you'll put in the work and see the fruit of your labor faster than someone who says they want it but aren't really doing much to even get to their desired goal. I've seen a couple go to the top of the bonus scale within just 4 months! Success is determined by you. Not by a system that was put together to show you the path. Its up to you to follow that path to success. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06556238518226958155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-55266735994637050702016-08-05T00:26:25.883-07:002016-08-05T00:26:25.883-07:00It's good that some people succeed, but there ...It's good that some people succeed, but there are many downline losing money at the same time. For each emerald, there are at least hundreds of people who are making nothing or losing money.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-63443510933521872362016-08-04T23:46:41.205-07:002016-08-04T23:46:41.205-07:00I live in El Paso and we are low income city and I...I live in El Paso and we are low income city and I've seen Hispanics in their 30s and 20s who have succeded! 21 year old is top bonus level. Did it in 1 year. Our Emerald is Hispanic and did it in 3years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-91449758040393581652016-01-22T10:32:51.248-08:002016-01-22T10:32:51.248-08:00whats wrong with working at Walmart?whats wrong with working at Walmart?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03194715299402472441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-43928330877652839102014-12-02T09:14:22.955-08:002014-12-02T09:14:22.955-08:00It's good that you learned some things from be...It's good that you learned some things from being in Amway and got something out of it but you experience is simply more evidence of the vast majority of Amway folks failing to make any money. <br /><br />I know a lot about the Amway business. I was in it and I've been researching it and debating its merits for many years. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-10088827898745904852014-12-01T08:52:30.267-08:002014-12-01T08:52:30.267-08:00Amway is not a scam, it is a legit business, I am ...Amway is not a scam, it is a legit business, I am not in the business. I was at one time, If you just google it and read all the Jackass's that say bad things about it, then you will think it is not a good business to get in, or that 99% of the people involved will fail, which it true, but have you bothered to find out how many other business's fail in the first 5 years?? 95% or more, so go ahead and invest thousands on a traditional business, and we will see what happens to ya in 5 years. You may find some people in the business that will tell you you need this and that and go here and there, which may be a good idea, because yes you need to be educated in what you are doing... just keep in mind these are suggestions. Let me ask you this, if you want to be a Lawyer and dont pay to go to law school, how far do you think you will get?? The Amway business changed my life for the better, I was just inactive, so dropped out, nothing against the business, it's not Amway's fault that I did not succeed, after all it was my business. Most people in the business never show the plan to anyone, dog is sick, stubbed my toe, etc. really it is just fear, which leads to excuses, and what makes people sore about the Amway business is it make you see who you really are, and some dont like it and then just simply blame Amway on their failures. Does the business work? yes and you will have 100% success if you work it. the key is WORK it consistently. How long would you have your job if you did not work it consistently?? I am better off since I was in the business, I learned alot about leadership, and it did indeed change my life. I am not filthy rich, as far as money goes, but using the things I learned from the Amway business, I am very successful. I have a wonderful wife, and great daughter, a job where I am valued because of the principles that I learned and applied to my life, I am 100% dept free, including my house. and I have some nice toys. So that being said, I do not like when people bash the Amway business because they were in for 3 months or even several years and failed. Only a Jackass blames someone else for their failures. Again, go out and invest in a traditional business and we will see how far you are in 5 years. I am sure you are a very nice and reasonable person, however before you attack something you know nothing about. you may want to think about this for a bit.... JMO Tom Very happy X Amway distributor. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-13429148853434907012014-10-19T00:18:10.993-07:002014-10-19T00:18:10.993-07:00What they get from sponsors is just pv so they wou...What they get from sponsors is just pv so they would not take a pay cut bc they would still be at the top of the bonus scale. The bv only comes from their sales so. No pay cut, you just have to much timeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-90093930630639121392014-10-19T00:12:33.008-07:002014-10-19T00:12:33.008-07:00And I was just here to witness him take the next s...And I was just here to witness him take the next step. Go JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-42124425473345056992014-08-25T11:32:01.880-07:002014-08-25T11:32:01.880-07:00nothing--except making up for what he DIDN'T d...nothing--except making up for what he DIDN'T do. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com