tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post4028790087439103668..comments2024-03-26T19:02:26.847-07:00Comments on Amway - The Dream Or The Scheme?: Amway Is Not A Pyramid, It's An Iceberg?Joecoolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-60853493885897943562012-10-29T19:48:21.970-07:002012-10-29T19:48:21.970-07:00Oh, hi, Anonymous. Denial is not just a river in ...Oh, hi, Anonymous. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, I guess. Your philosophizing is sadly superficial and ignores so much that we know now about the phony lifestyle of the "big pins" - Thoreau's "life of quiet desperation" comes to mind, when I think of people like Ron Puryear, Jim Head, and the Duncans. Unfortunately, the big lie that life is about "living the dream" will always suck people into the scheme of the confidence man. So I guess you are right about that reality - fraud and misrepresentation does indeed work. And someday, the chickens will come home to roost, just like they always do.<br /><br />----DanielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-18666305624348245842012-10-29T13:16:51.032-07:002012-10-29T13:16:51.032-07:00ur an effen liarur an effen liarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-11966332560844543692012-10-28T13:47:55.076-07:002012-10-28T13:47:55.076-07:00To say Amway is a acam is to say that your parents...To say Amway is a acam is to say that your parents and teachers are also scams. Did your parents not tell you that they want you to be successful and have an expensive car and a big house? Did they not tell you to get a degree and get a job in order to get those things? How many people have a degree and a job and are in their fifties renting an apartment and taking the subway? Amway does work for those who work hard at it and who have brains for themselves to brainstorm ways to get customers and downlines. Amway works for people who utilize the education that they have, for people who are smart. Did your parents deceive you when they promised you your grand dream of a future after you graduated. Stop blaming others for your FAILURE. Start doing something and stick to it. Believe in it and you will become rich eventually. You can either make money or excuses but you can't do both at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-72154169010162061832012-10-26T12:55:41.327-07:002012-10-26T12:55:41.327-07:00If Joe Cool's accurate observations are "...If Joe Cool's accurate observations are "irrelevant", then you tell us, what would cause them to be relevant? Your philosophising on this subject doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The confidence man also has figured out that his "message and tools work." The con man's schemes willl "continue to grow and grow" regardless. Again, you sound to me like the kind of naive person who the smooth talking "leaders" and "trainers" can spin like a top.<br /><br />---DanielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-54662810965793858982012-10-26T08:09:00.618-07:002012-10-26T08:09:00.618-07:00I would expect if you are using tools you are thro...I would expect if you are using tools you are throwing away any profits you make (add in to my earlier reply) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-50332772263123290922012-10-25T23:48:06.096-07:002012-10-25T23:48:06.096-07:00...unfortunately....unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-58266132179838584302012-10-25T23:47:35.474-07:002012-10-25T23:47:35.474-07:00+1+1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-80431687902084500182012-10-25T22:50:51.074-07:002012-10-25T22:50:51.074-07:00I would think that's about right. I would thin...I would think that's about right. I would think the vast majority of people sign up just to see what might happen and of course pull out soon after.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-6824287733430012412012-10-25T22:43:11.480-07:002012-10-25T22:43:11.480-07:00Hi daniel I have no problem if you define making i...Hi daniel I have no problem if you define making it in this context as living a lie. Its as good a definition as any. The point I'm making is to get the big pins you have to act in a certain way. The big pins do so. That's the reality. Whether its right or wrong is a debate. But you won't get anywhere in it if you don't do what the big pins have done. Most people think they are in a classical business when in fact its nothing of the sortand it will continue to grow because these pins have figured out a system that works. There are valid arguments on this blog as to what the pitfalls are like the tools. But the reality is still that it works. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-70495899932453597252012-10-25T06:28:46.563-07:002012-10-25T06:28:46.563-07:00To reply to your comment. I don't dispute the ...To reply to your comment. I don't dispute the truth of what is said. It just seems irrelevant. The leaders have figured out that their message and tools work. So irrespective of all the rationale arguments , this thing will continue to grow and grow. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-82755405019162953402012-10-24T13:48:24.391-07:002012-10-24T13:48:24.391-07:00What's PASEWhat's PASEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-43084007863975415462012-10-22T17:49:20.772-07:002012-10-22T17:49:20.772-07:00you don't have to agree with what he says. doe...you don't have to agree with what he says. doesn't mean it's not true. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-18655271678076374912012-10-22T17:48:45.943-07:002012-10-22T17:48:45.943-07:00GET OUT!GET OUT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-21028931181056765752012-10-21T09:42:13.564-07:002012-10-21T09:42:13.564-07:00Anonymous,
Your theory of "making it" ...Anonymous, <br /><br />Your theory of "making it" is pretty ill-informed and stupid. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people, so-called "followers," do in fact "make it." <br /><br />Haven't we done this dance before, on other JoeCool blogposts? You seem to be the kind of naive person who is unduly impressed by so-called "communicators, trainers, and motivators." Becoming Plenty of so-called followers do in fact "make it." Being a "Diamond", "Platinum" (go ahead-pick your "pin"), is not called "making it," it's called "living a lie." <br /><br />You have it all backwards; Amway pins are the followers. Just because one talks well and has a downline, makes one a "leader" not. <br /><br />--DanielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-56770996635438769152012-10-17T22:30:02.709-07:002012-10-17T22:30:02.709-07:00I just came back from a PASE meeting and my upline...I just came back from a PASE meeting and my upline said i qualified to be on the team, im 18 years old and im having a hard time believing in AMWAYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-19365014619487977582012-10-15T13:35:26.453-07:002012-10-15T13:35:26.453-07:00Found this interesting article -
http://www.iwill...Found this interesting article -<br /><br />http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/i-hate-indian-network-marketers-so-much/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-54294897244581940842012-10-15T13:11:28.743-07:002012-10-15T13:11:28.743-07:00The system is where the scam is. The uplines prom...The system is where the scam is. The uplines promote a dream of early retirement, walking on the beaches, etc and then then the hopeful dreamers that the tools are the only way to attain those dreams. Then they make tons of money from the tools, in my estimate, many leaders will earn more from the tools than from Amway.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-938913329160548972012-10-15T12:38:12.660-07:002012-10-15T12:38:12.660-07:00I think you have a lovely story not unlike mine. I...I think you have a lovely story not unlike mine. I joined amway many years ago driven by a will to be independent. To make a long story short i achieved my dream in a different non amway career managing to retire last year with residual income relatively significant property investments. My views on amway are like yours. It works for those who undesrstand its about having outstanding motivational skills. All the leaders have this. Most people dont have it and most will not survive in amway. I got to platinum level fairly quickly and then quit. Im sure i could have gone higher and im sure i could redo it now. I find it irritating these tools are so dominant and innocent people get ripped off. The tools are of no value at all. Im tempted to start a group on the basis of no tools and not buying more than 20 dollars monthly of own use and finally with a promise the business will deliver only for a few. The results would be the same as today. Difference is people would not feel used or abused. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-44091585917081278162012-10-15T12:18:41.643-07:002012-10-15T12:18:41.643-07:00I dont agree with a lot of joecool says (must admi...I dont agree with a lot of joecool says (must admit he has a great analysis of the system though) but one thing he is right on is that uplines are stealing from downlines through the tools system. So its not just about quitting or not. I agree many just give up when showing the plan is the way to continue. However many quit because they are bleeding because of tools cost. This is uplines stealing their dreams because of their own greed and selfishness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-37570689506311391282012-10-15T12:18:33.800-07:002012-10-15T12:18:33.800-07:00Did you know that according to Amway, only about o...Did you know that according to Amway, only about one half of one percent of IBOs reach platinum. And if you are involved in tools, there's a good chance you have no net profit at platinum.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-45480285779897305462012-10-15T11:55:33.163-07:002012-10-15T11:55:33.163-07:00Hi joecool. I believe platiniums earn about 15k an...Hi joecool. I believe platiniums earn about 15k annually from products and if they are on the tools racket they make an additional 20k from that. The 100 k i referred to was say diamond. I dont think its all that difficult to reach platinium but thats my view only. It takes work i agree. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-85506272484229027182012-10-15T10:38:19.923-07:002012-10-15T10:38:19.923-07:00Yes, many Amway folks talk a good game - until you...Yes, many Amway folks talk a good game - until you ask them for income verification. Then you get stories, silence or insults.<br />You just don't get a straight answer. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-70648412800325680002012-10-15T10:37:03.311-07:002012-10-15T10:37:03.311-07:00Who said platinums earn over $100,000? Achieving ...Who said platinums earn over $100,000? Achieving platinum is not easy. Less than 1% ever reach that level and even fewer can maintain the level.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-1652170495811333242012-10-15T10:35:52.371-07:002012-10-15T10:35:52.371-07:00And likely almost as many former platinums did not...And likely almost as many former platinums did not re-qualify.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-17425790367081891052012-10-14T20:55:56.469-07:002012-10-14T20:55:56.469-07:00Amway is different Joecool, understand we are the ...Amway is different Joecool, understand we are the dream builders, we make you better persons, we help your finances to improve so much so that you can financially be free and walk on the beaches (because all our qualifications are already destroyed) of the world (once in years of your expenses and rest keep doing contacting, inviting, show the plan and do follow up until we die).<br />Prospects, that's the ice-berg! Whatever in brackets of my previous paragraph happens to every IBO who does not quit. But you can always keep 'doing Amway thing'. Your decision is yours, can I stop you to commit suicide? no!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com