tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post4854389843325407271..comments2024-03-26T19:02:26.847-07:00Comments on Amway - The Dream Or The Scheme?: Amway And Poker Championships?Joecoolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-54159853302346841552016-06-07T15:48:03.524-07:002016-06-07T15:48:03.524-07:00Ben, one other point is that generally, poker is a...Ben, one other point is that generally, poker is a zero sum game. So while people may lose, some are assured of winning as well. In Amway, it's possible for everyone in a group to lose money because of the expenses in the tool system.<br /><br />Amway would be like a poker game where the house takes a portion of every hand played. The longer you play, the more money the house takes and then there's a real possibility of all players losing money. That is called a negative sum game. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-66720087208825329782016-06-07T14:50:47.491-07:002016-06-07T14:50:47.491-07:00This is an interesting post because I love compari...This is an interesting post because I love comparisons. One of the things that triggers in my brain when I'm gambling versus being duped is the detriment to my pride. I feel like far less of a person if I lose $200.00 to a scam vs. losing $200.00 gambling. I believe the reason for this is two fold. First, I'm going into gambling as a form of entertainment, and if I lose (it's already incorporated into my mindset) I'm not upset because I understand the risks (you basically covered that in your article). Second, when I lose in gambling, I don't feel like it was an insult to my intelligence, and I don't feel like I was being taken advantage of. With Amway, even if the products are good, and I was getting something significant from their products that I couldn't get elsewhere, I still wouldn't purchase their stuff after reeling me into the scam. I wouldn't purchase their products, because of spite, and the fact that I wouldn't respect myself if I gave even one more cent to a company that could've bankrupted me.<br /><br />I guess in not so many words...the big difference is causality for the money loss. The people in the casino aren't smiling at me because they are my buddies who want to help me succeed, and they make that apparent. The people in the casino don't use deception to lure you in, but rather give you all of the facts ahead of time to make an informed decision. Most importantly, the casino doesn't care how much you spend, when you spend it, or if you ever come back, giving the customer the opportunity to truly choose for themselves.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218448308057670565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-45451949469206450562016-06-07T12:30:02.208-07:002016-06-07T12:30:02.208-07:00I believe that Amway is a product based pyramid sc...I believe that Amway is a product based pyramid scheme. The problem is that Amway was very clever is setting up policy to safeguard (in writing only) against pyramiding. In real life, I believe Amway IBOs primarily buy products to participate in the pay plan.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see how the FTC rules against Herbalife.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-80087154395032080382016-06-07T11:25:34.885-07:002016-06-07T11:25:34.885-07:00Yes, Joe -- you've hit on a major point about ...Yes, Joe -- you've hit on a major point about Amway. Poker players who lose don't necessarily quit poker, since they enjoy the game for its own sake. But when an Amway IBO quits, he stops buying Amway products altogether. This is why Amway's sales in North America are in a steady decline.<br /><br />A good police detective would see immediately what this suggests. The persons who buy Amway products (mostly IBOs and their families) ARE NOT BUYING THE PRODUCTS FOR THEIR INTRINSIC QUALITY. They are buying them only to develop PV, to please their up-line, and to deceive themselves that they are involved in a real business operation.<br /><br />This is the rock-solid proof that Amway is a disguised pyramid scheme. Standard pyramid schemes are solely about recruitment, and involve no product-purchase at all. But a disguised pyramid scheme like Amway uses its products as a kind of camouflage or fig leaf. They are of no real importance, except as a way to cover up the fact that Amway profits primarily from constant recruitment, and from the tool-and-function racket.<br /><br />This has been admitted (foolishly!) by several Amway defenders who show up here and at other anti-Amway blogs to defend their company. They yell "I don't have to sell anything!" or "I just offer a business opportunity!" or "Sales aren't important in Amway!"<br /><br />Well, that's a very damaging admission, even though these guys are probably too stupid to realize it. They are admitting that Amway products are nothing but a cover for recruitment, and the bleeding of IBOs of their cash.<br /><br />With the perpetual turnover in IBOs over the decades, you'd expect that at least some of them would continue to use a few favorite Amway products even after they had quit the business. But they don't. Amway sales are stagnant or in a downward spiral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com