tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post5691977025442676487..comments2024-03-26T19:02:26.847-07:00Comments on Amway - The Dream Or The Scheme?: What Is Your Amway Business Worth?Joecoolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-74438327975757890862022-04-28T13:04:43.004-07:002022-04-28T13:04:43.004-07:00One of the propaganda tricks that Amway and its de...One of the propaganda tricks that Amway and its defenders use is the question "What else is there?" This question is designed to suggest that there isn't anything else out there for IBOs to do, and so they have to stay the course in Amway, even when losing money. Its a lie, but it seems to work with a lot of losers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-84467552983484136412022-04-28T09:36:00.124-07:002022-04-28T09:36:00.124-07:00Well, doing nothing is more lucrative than Amway. ...Well, doing nothing is more lucrative than Amway. But as to what business would I recommend to you is not something I can give you an answer to because I don't know your interest, or your knowledge skills and abilities. <br /><br />For some people, a second part time job is a better idea. Not everyone is cut out to run a business. <br /><br />Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-14747338716403974162022-04-27T21:15:24.919-07:002022-04-27T21:15:24.919-07:00Ok. @Joecool, I agree you are right about everythi...Ok. @Joecool, I agree you are right about everything you said about amway. The question is, what other business do you recommend? I am waiting for an answer.<br /><br />Another question, is there a business out there that you don’t lose money? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-40818718506355531762021-04-12T16:35:42.995-07:002021-04-12T16:35:42.995-07:00LOL, the business does not work if you work it. Th...LOL, the business does not work if you work it. The money is made by selling tools and functions. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-78544471636838466482021-04-11T16:50:45.462-07:002021-04-11T16:50:45.462-07:00So i was actually looking at the long list of Amwa...So i was actually looking at the long list of Amway diamonds when i came across this page. Why worry about Larry Winters if there is a pay scale and a chart that tells you exactly how much your check will be when you hit a specific level? I've been in for 3 years and i know exactly how much my check will be every month and so far the numbers have not lied. I'm climbing up the bonus scale and if it takes me 5 years to make $4000 a month I'm more than willing to do it because I'm busting my ass now for my job and if i don't show up i don't get a paycheck. The numbers are there clear as day and Amway always pay on payday. Whether its $15 for a hundred pvs or $4300 for 7500. The business works if you work it guys Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14363435164126298420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-81669264326400793492021-03-12T00:19:32.234-08:002021-03-12T00:19:32.234-08:00The reality is that a fraction of 1% make any prof...The reality is that a fraction of 1% make any profit and the rest lose money, primarily because of the tools and functions. Amway success can be compared to lottery winners, which is quite sad for a business opportunity. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-65277052556555735632021-03-10T22:14:33.856-08:002021-03-10T22:14:33.856-08:00Guys, it seems to me there's a lot of smoke an...Guys, it seems to me there's a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here to distract from the central question any IBO should ask: What percentage of IBOs go on to make 90k/month of residual income from the business? OR What percentage of IBOs go on to make 10k/month? OR What percentage of IBOs end up losing money? If the answer is that only 1% end up making ANY profit and 99% ending up losing money, then they should be honest and tell prospects about the DOCUMENTED PROVABLE odds of success and failure, so prospects can decide for themselves whether they want to go into a business where 99% end up losing after so much time, money, and effort spent, and 1% end up with some profit, and maybe only 0.001% end up making more than middle class income, and only 0.00001% end up living the dream walking the beaches of the world. When you buy a lottery ticket they tell you what percentage of people win (and the rest lose). When you go into the restaurant business, you study odds of success and failure and know going in that only 30% of restaurants make it past the first year, so you know what you're getting into. Ask your upline for these odds. Be honest with your prospects and tell them the odds so they know what they're getting into. If people know these odds and still want to take that chance then that's their free choice, but don't hide these numbers or distract from them with all kinds of smoke and mirrors.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-60432612099365326822021-03-10T08:36:21.273-08:002021-03-10T08:36:21.273-08:00Notice that this Anonymous guy at 5:36 and 5:38 PM...Notice that this Anonymous guy at 5:36 and 5:38 PM shows up to comment on a thread that has been silent for three years. What the hell brought him here?<br /><br />I can suggest this: It was the title ("What Is Your Amway Business Worth?"). The dope must have been getting worried that his Amway racket wasn't producing any of the promised profits, so he went on-line to find out information.<br /><br />When he was devastated by Joe Cool's post, and the subsequent commentary, he freaked out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-16593397803824186922021-03-09T20:46:04.166-08:002021-03-09T20:46:04.166-08:00BTW, I did work the business and achieved 4000 PV....BTW, I did work the business and achieved 4000 PV. My reward was no net profit and no prospects for improvement if I kept following spline advice. Unlike most IBOs, I can do math and make logical conclusions. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-70311001454049935242021-03-09T20:44:32.228-08:002021-03-09T20:44:32.228-08:00Not forced, but very likely scammed or conned into...Not forced, but very likely scammed or conned into doing this business. What exactly have YOU accomplished in Amway other than blindly defending them? I've seen your type before. Big talk then you'll disappear after a short while, just as broke and a loser as you were before Amway. LOLJoecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-6667483149439574042021-03-08T17:38:36.481-08:002021-03-08T17:38:36.481-08:00NOT one person here was forced to do this business...NOT one person here was forced to do this business. It appears you all failed and gave up and didn’t really have a dream! But you had to cry here and lie to feel better. LOL LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-80847807331284926532021-03-08T17:36:39.029-08:002021-03-08T17:36:39.029-08:00I have to laugh at ALL of these anonymous people p...I have to laugh at ALL of these anonymous people posting who did NOT WORK the business and Just Quit! You all talk as if you have facts on the Diamonds but do not... The Diamonds have amazing families, wealth, time, and serve! My Upline Diamond and I went to school together and we’ve watched him create wealth! So you All enjoy your jobs! Kiss your bosses and good luck borrowing money and racking up credit cards! It would have been okay if you All had Hushed and Walked away but you all had to slam people being successful and Winning in Every area in their lives! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-75320661292989406302018-08-08T07:37:37.824-07:002018-08-08T07:37:37.824-07:00Wow, the truth comes out at last, and from someone...Wow, the truth comes out at last, and from someone (Anonymous @ 1:15 PM) who is actually involved with the Winters Amway team.<br /><br />As we see from what he says, much of the hype and glitz about the alleged wealth of Amway diamonds is pure smoke-and-mirrors bullshit. Let Larry Winters open up his books and tax records, and let's see what the hell is really going on with him and his family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-27873653099990153592018-08-07T13:15:50.215-07:002018-08-07T13:15:50.215-07:00I want to respond to Ryan Bell from November 2015,...I want to respond to Ryan Bell from November 2015, because I think this is relevant to know. I am very close to people on Ricky Winter's team who are sucked in big time. Ricky (younger son) is a part of Steven's team (older son) and they work for dad, Larry. Larry and Pam lead a wealthy lifestyle and by all accounts seem to be nice and generous people. HOWEVER, when you say that Steven's wife has never had to work, and Ricky's wife has never had to work, I can tell you that neither is wealthy, Ricky's wife DOES work, and she comes from a very wealthy family, also involved in Amway. The really important thing to know when examining those sons who "do Amway full time" is that they are heavily supplemented by dad working for a SALARY as personal assistants!! Their actual Amway income is nowhere near what they need to support a family or own a house. They also preach to their downlines to be careful of "distractions" such as wives, homes, and children, as well as spending too much time with family outside of the Amway events. I think they believe in what they are doing, but their lifestyle (that their downlines are trying to emulate) are paid for by dad Larry, as are their lavish family trips, etc. They have a 9-5 job working for LTD in addition to their Amway biz, so it is SO hypocritical to tell people they have retired!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-43848999593423879462017-02-17T14:39:33.899-08:002017-02-17T14:39:33.899-08:00Joe, this Anonymous at 9:21 AM is just an infuriat...Joe, this Anonymous at 9:21 AM is just an infuriated Amway freak who is boiling mad that your blog is having such a negative effect on the Amway racket's ability to recruit new IBOs.<br /><br />The argument over Winters' alleged or supposed income is purely a diversionary tactic by this guy. He neither knows nor cares how much Winters makes per month. All he cares about is making a lot of noise to cover up the basic irrationality of his "belief." He's already admitted that he is "a believer."<br /><br />Let me ask him the following question: If you think Joe Cool's blog is mistaken in its facts or misguided or dishonest, why the hell do you bother coming here to argue? Why not just be a good Amway Ambot and go hustle up more recruits at Taco Bell or your local shopping mall? Isn't that what your up-line tells you to do? <br /><br />I'll tell you why you're here. YOU'RE PISSED OFF. You're an Amway fanatic, and you can't stand it when somebody questions or ridicules your fanatical commitment to that rotten and corrupt company.<br /><br />Also, there's another thing: If you think Winters makes $90,000 per month in Amway, let's see you prove it with something other than your mouth. Let's see your facts and figures on paper. Or are you afraid to ask Winters to show you his tax return?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-7421979083840507512017-02-17T11:22:33.539-08:002017-02-17T11:22:33.539-08:00What the heck are you babbling on about? YOU mad...What the heck are you babbling on about? YOU made the claim that Larry Winters makes $10,000 a month. Go ahead and prove it. If not, you really have no idea and he might be making nothing. I just used $10,000 as an example to show that someone making that kind of money is not living a millionaire "diamond" lifestyle.<br /><br />I blog because my experiences and knowledge of the business has provided valuable information. Especially since Amway folks discourage prospects from seeking full disclosure about the business. <br /><br />It's ironic that you claim I can say anything on this blog. While that's true, I'm not making any claims. I'm sharing what I learned and experienced in Amway. It's been YOU who's making questionable claims. You claim Larry is winning and doing well. The truth is you have no freaking idea how Larry is doing financially. <br /><br />How does Larry scam people? By telling them that they need tools to succeed in Amway. That is a lie. If he makes income claims that cannot be verified, that I also a scam and might be in violation of FTC rule 5(a). <br /><br />Now you're mentioning $90K? What's that? More fairy tales? Come back when you have facts. I saw the documented financials of a triple diamond and that person made $40,000 a month. Despite that large income, he filed chapter 7 bankruptcy.<br /><br />Go figure. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-16729251192764448972017-02-17T09:21:14.989-08:002017-02-17T09:21:14.989-08:00Ok, so you admit that you don't know. That beg...Ok, so you admit that you don't know. That begs the question what is it that you're doing then by running this blog. What's your real aim? Spare me the excuse that you're just warning people from getting scammed. That's not what you're doing. The fact that you don't know and you openly admit to it that tells me that you've got an agenda. It's easy to be a blogger, anyone can say anything even if they don't know what the hell they're talking about but they go on as if it's ok. Since neither do I know then we can conclude that none of us know what the hell we're doing. So we spend time bickering back and forth and what do we solve in doing that? Since none of us know then what the hell are we doing? Seems to me that Larry is winning onto something since he's not into that kind of stuff and that's what makes me want to learn from Larry and do what Larry does.<br /><br />Besides, how is it exactly that Larry scams thousands of people? And why are you assuming that Larry needs medical insurance? Making $90,000 per month sure doesn't call out for you to pay for medical insurance, you can just pay a top doctor and get better care than the care the status quo gets. That's $90,000 for you and I corrected the misquoting I made. Why don't you correct yourself too once you've been clearly made aware of it? You still use the $10,000 figure. Got an agenda, feeling guilty to mention $90,000 per month because that throws your argument off or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-69387825067011105842017-02-16T14:56:46.656-08:002017-02-16T14:56:46.656-08:00First, I never said Larry made $10,000 a month. I...First, I never said Larry made $10,000 a month. I said I don't know. Fact is you don't know either. He might make more or less. Problem is he makes that money by scamming thousands of people.<br /><br />But let's take that hypothetical 10K a month.<br /><br />30% taxes rate = 3000<br />Medical insurance = $1200 (Family of 4)<br />Business expenses = $1500 (Based on 1 function a month plus hotel, etc)<br /><br />That's about 5700 in expenses.<br /><br />That leaves Larry 4300 to pay his rent/mortgage. And nom if his income is about 10K per month(gross), he's not buying homes and cars in cash. <br /><br />Then factor in food, household products (100PV) utility bills, etc.<br /><br />How much do you think is left over for first class vacations, traveling, and maybe even savings and investing for the future? <br /><br />And let me add this is. Most of a diamond's income is in the form of an annual bonus so a diamond's monthly income can be quite small.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-26705188280973182662017-02-16T13:15:15.722-08:002017-02-16T13:15:15.722-08:00Even if you meant to say that the difference left ...Even if you meant to say that the difference left after the business expenses, medical insurance, savings for retirement, etc. from the $10,000 per month Larry is making, that's still not going to bring Larry's income and living down to the level of middle class income. But since I misquoted Ryan Bell, that is even more so not the case. $90,000 per month is a far far far cry from middle class income even after all those expenses you mention and then some more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-54957601987907919452017-02-16T13:06:31.765-08:002017-02-16T13:06:31.765-08:00I haven't lost anything in Amway. Is that maki...I haven't lost anything in Amway. Is that making you envious or something?<br /><br />Joecool, I'm not sure where you're going with that twist. You say that Larry makes $10,000 a month which is middle class income. Larry must be living in a wealthy country then, I'm not at that level yet. But Larry is living in USA and USA is not even close to that level. The middle class income level averages more like $40,000 per year. That's a far cry from $10,000 a month! Or maybe you meant to say that the middle class income level averages $10,000 per year in which case my stats are wrong. If the middle class were making $10,000 a month... that's $120,000 per year... imagine!<br /><br />Also, I'm not sure where you're going with the assertion that since Larry makes $10,000 a month he has business expenses, medical insurance, savings for retirement, etc. That sounds like an incomplete sentence to me. You mean to say that he can't afford it in which case you surely can and ought to teach us how you make $20,000 a month rather than $10,000 like Larry. You see my point?<br /><br />Actually I misread what Ryan Bell said and I quoted the wrong figure all this time. It is $3000 per day which equals to about $90,000 per month so a far cry from $10,000 per month. My mistake, sorry. $100,000 per month is soon coming! In that case maybe you need to show us how you make $200,000 per month so to not be like Larry, unable to pay for business expenses, medical insurance, savings for retirement, etc!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-35960478866206394402017-02-15T09:40:18.584-08:002017-02-15T09:40:18.584-08:00Sound of crickets chirping.
I guess the guy who &...Sound of crickets chirping.<br /><br />I guess the guy who "believes" doesn't want to tell us how much he's lost in Amway so far. Maybe he's embarrassed to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-39489981310756839592017-02-14T18:37:26.539-08:002017-02-14T18:37:26.539-08:00To Anonymous at 10:32 AM --
OK, fine. So you adm...To Anonymous at 10:32 AM --<br /><br />OK, fine. So you admit that you're a cultic nut-case who functions on emotion rather than on the perception of facts. Go ahead and "believe."<br /><br />How about telling us -- in precise figures -- how much money you have lost in Amway so far?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-5629570866276293042017-02-14T11:42:13.942-08:002017-02-14T11:42:13.942-08:00I don't know what Larry Winters makes and neit...I don't know what Larry Winters makes and neither does any of his downline. They only know what Larry Winters tells them. I doubt that he's provided proof of his business income (business, not personal income). <br /><br />And let me add a second twist here. $10,000 a month for someone who's self employed is middle class income when you factor in business expenses, medical insurance, savings for retirement, etc. Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-48307149618603802862017-02-14T10:32:46.330-08:002017-02-14T10:32:46.330-08:00Hold on there Joecool!
You say that nobody knows ...Hold on there Joecool!<br /><br />You say that nobody knows if Larry Winters... That implies that neither does Amway. So, how is Amway generating profits for Larry Winters then? Spare me the excuse, "it's the tools!" Yes, Larry makes money from tools because it's his right but that's not where most of his income comes from. Else why would Amway keep Larry onboard if he wasn't having a successful Amway business to begin with yet preach his non-existing success in Amway? But you see nobody knows... Enough of that crap, seriously.<br /><br />Do you know Larry Winters makes over $10,000 USD per month? No, neither do you because you just started your argument like this "Nobody knows if Larry Winters and/or his downline..." Nobody means nobody. That means you too. So why are you running off your mouth then? Saving people from what? From that which nobody knows? LOL<br /><br />To Anonymous at 6:30 PM,<br /><br />I have gone to three functions only where Diamonds run around screaming "DO YOU BELIEVE? DO YOU BELIEVE?" and yes, I DO BELIEVE! You didn't believe, still don't believe and that's why you didn't do anything worthwhile with your business. But just like Joecool you believe in running off your mouth and that's why you run off your mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494309285043063074.post-50674914898748622232017-02-12T19:05:19.881-08:002017-02-12T19:05:19.881-08:00To Anonymous at 6:30 PM --
So you "believe&q...To Anonymous at 6:30 PM --<br /><br />So you "believe"?<br /><br />I guess you've attended plenty of those stupid Amway functions, where the diamonds run around screaming "DO YOU BELIEVE? DO YOU BELIEVE?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com