Many IBOs join Amway after seeing a presentation. These presentations are crafted to make people uncomfortable with their current situations and/or jobs. Some dream building is done where prospects are given thought provoking messages such as what would you do with an extra $40,000 a year for example. On the surface, it seems to make sense and it seems plausible. The problem usually occurs when IBOs get out in the world and try to build the business.
But in the big picture, is Amway itself needed? I mean you buy products and if you move a certain amount of volume, you get a performance bonus. The goal of many is to sponsor six (6) platinum legs and become a diamond. Some diamonds in the past spoke about how you could technically bury Amway products in your backyard, as long as you did your 100 PV. I guess in a strange way that is true.
In my opinion, the Amway business itself is irrelevent. The Amway business exists to legitimize the motivational businesses of many LOS's such as WWDB, BWW, N21, for example. The motivational business in itself is a huge business. However, the content of much of the material cannot be sold to the general public as evidenced by caseloads of these tools being sold for pennies on the dollar on ebay. The tools only serve to enrich the upline leaders who own the tools business off the backs of the Amway IBOs. Do the math. It costs very little to produce tapes and/or cds, seminars are big money makers. Check and see how much it costs to rent a convention center or arena. You could probably find one where $20 to $25 per person would more than cover the cost. Also, there is little evidence that the tools are effective, despite what upline leaders or Amway apologicts may claim.
There are also groups who have left Amway for other MLM businesses, which also suggests that Amway is a sidebar in the real business for these upline leaders. But still, Amway or another MLM is needed because LOS's cannot simply sell cds and functions without some kind of product to pimp. Thus, together with Amway, upline leaders and Amway handsomely profit together. Upline teaches 100 PV, and that tools are vital to your Amway success. But in the big picture, Amway is not relevent. Think about this seriously for a minute. Next time a function or standing order ir promoted, I urge prospects and current IBOs to digest this post and to think about this.
Dude, JoeCool is not relevent. I don't understand why you have such a vendetta against Amway and Quixtar. You failed because you did not work it. Get a life and move on already.
ReplyDeleteI failed because I did not work? Apparently you have not read about my experience in Amway. You should go look it up sometime before you make such false statements.
ReplyDeleteI am tired of reading this crap. As a business owner, I succeed or fail as a result of what I know or don't know. The Amway Global Quixtar system is amazing and apparently is thriving without you for the past 50 years. It is not about tapes and cd's. Those products are to help you to personally develop, but you missed the system. Ray Croc had a system, it's called Hamburger University. Anything powerful has a system. It doesn't make it a cult, bad or irrelevant... If anything, YOU just didn't want to do the work. Anyone willing to do the work can build a business. People with integrity and who personally develop along the way with the RIGHT business team win!
ReplyDeleteWhen you post a comment this dude gives you the opportunity to check out his crappy business. Yall are so worried about Quixtar but it's all marketing. He did not create this blog for nothing. You are just falling into his marketing opportunity that I am going to affectionately call crap. Quixtar, Avon, and all of those place are not schemes. Quixtar contracts with higher end brands which is why the prices are what they are. And, furthermore, these companies are doing something better than your job. They have created an opportunity for you to be your own boss. Some of you are to negative to figure out what that means.
ReplyDeleteAnon will fail due to his use of the word dude.
ReplyDeleteJoe, I've read that you "ran a 4000pv business with Eagle Parameters". However all that tells me is that you had one leg with some depth in it and a few legs outside of that coming to functions with a minimal amount of tool flow. That in it's self is no indication that you had mastered the business and was working a big group. I have a Silver in my organization that went Platinum by buying enough PV during a 6 month period to qulify for his trip to ADA. He currently has nearly 700 people in his downline, 3 Emeralds and 2 Rubies and many platinums. He is constantly telling people how he "Broke 3 Emeralds and runs a multi million dollar business"
ReplyDeleteThe truth is, he is one of those phonies you speak of. He did nothing to break that one leg. It developed on it's own. He only sponsered the top guy. That guy as an Emerald makes about 14-16K a month in Amway and System income and will qualify for Amways 150K Founders Emerald bonus in another 4 months. He on the other hand probably makes less than $1000 a month because he has zero outside of that massive business he "Run".
So, by reading your profile, I get no real true indication that you had any clue as to what you were doing.
Anonymous who's tired of reading this "crap", why don't you advocate change. The "crap" I speak about is not made it. It is actual stuff that some leader teach. Yes, Ray Croc had a sysyetm, but you see, Ray's system actually works and his franchisees profit. IN Amway, the system works great for Amway and the folks who sell the system. It does nothing for the IBOs.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous #4, if eagle parameters don't mean anything, go tell your upline to stop teaching it. Joecool didn't make it up. Also, eagle parameters is mainly about tool flow and not business volume anyway.
Joecool get over it. The anonymous guy who just described to you how unprofitable you are with no width is right. Admit it, you had no width but had some depth. To be profitable you have to have width. Apparently you got in thinking that "man, that's so cool, I build one leg and I let that leg to sponsor the whole world, I'll be rich after all this business promises riches you know?" To tell you the truth I thought that way too at one time only to find out that it doesn't work that way. I got to have width to have profitability and that's what I'm working on right now.
ReplyDelete"Joecool get over it. The anonymous guy who just described to you how unprofitable you are with no width is right."
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I personally sponsored 12 people. I was twelve in width. What is wrong with that? How many people did you personally sponsor?
Personally sponsoring 12 is still no indication of any degree of success. All that tells anyone who is educated about the real business is that you got 12 people to sign up and at least 1 of those people actually did anything. I know people that have signed up more than 30, and never did a thing to help them, and as a result never became profitable.
ReplyDeleteEagle parameters, which I haven't heard spoken of in 3 years, was designed to encourage you to go get some width and then through that width, find a few places to build depth. If you put garbage into the structure, you would have gotten the same from it. Unfortunately too many IBO's used Eagle as an EGO parameter and used it for nothing more than some special seating and a few upline perks, which does not put money in your pocket.
Anonymous, at least I sponsorfed people and at least I am willing to talk about my former group. That is something most IBOs are reluctant to do. Why is that?
ReplyDeleteJoe, I've paid you the compliment of being an intellegent person despite my differing of opinions and as you can recall, I have never called you a loser. I've always been civil in the few posts that I've made. With that said, I would expect the same.
ReplyDeleteHere are a couple of things I can assure you about the majority of IBO's that post on your site. 1) They are not, nor have they been successful IBO's. If they were, they would have very little time to spend arguing with you. Actually I guess that is only one thing, but probably the only thing. I can also tell with equal certianty, that anyone who quit Amway and went on to become successful in any endeavor, does not spend their time managing anti Amway blogs,(You may be the one exception, I do not know)because they too are also busy with life and have better things to do than keep the weak sisters from getting into someones network. They are succeeding with their own lives. I drop by here every now and then because you pop up in my Google Alerts. The reason I would not talk about my group and would choose to remain anonymous, is because I would be embarassed to have my group know I was actually taking time to engage in discussion with a "Blogger". It's kind of like watching pro wrestling, "Oh yeah, my kid likes that!" But I will admit, I leave it on when he's not in the room.
Hi Anonymous. I thank you and appreciate your civil comments. I generally agree with your thoughts. I have never claimed to be wildly successful outside of Amway, but I can say that I am comfortable and quite happy with what I have accomplished in life since I left Amway.
ReplyDeleteIf you look closely at my posts, you will notice that most of my posts are not aimed at Amway but more at the unethical practices of the motivational groups that sell the cds and run the functions.
Why do I do this? it's sort of a hobby. A hobby that I feel helps people. The main argument I get from some Amway folks is that these behaviors do not exist in their groups. What's funny is I keep encountering behavior that suppoedly does not exist anymore. Sure it's not happening in all groups and in all meetings, but enough to know there's still a lot of abuse going on.
I feel if others can benefit by my experience and observations, I am willing to share. I hope you don't find fault with that and I wish you well.
With that explanation, no, I find no fault. And personally in my opinion, success is more about who you are on the inside rather than what you possess on the outside. One of the reasons I believe that I've attained the level of accomplishment that I have, is because I treat all people, in or out of the business the same. There are people that are not in the business, working in factories, living in 900 sq foot homes, that are happier than some big pins that I know. If you're an Emerald and you were once a big star and now none of you're downline respect you and and you marriage is hanging on by a thread, because you've had a dozen affairs and stolen money from downline and every where you go in the business you've become an enigma, I don't care if you still make over 150K a year from system money and Amway money, you're no success, you are a loser in life. Wish you well also.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I agree with you. I believe there are some who build the Amway business ethically, but unfortunately, they are few and far between. Even the systems were built on good intentions and then apparently greed is what started the abuses that continue even to today. As far as diamond divorces or affairs, it really would not be an issue, except that some leaders made it a big deal by stating that Amway IBOs have a 2% divorce rate or preaching morals at big functions, etc.
ReplyDeleteI realize this is long dead but I'm a rather new IBO, I dont buy CD's, they get handed to me by my upline. The only thing I pay for is open meetings/team meetings once or twice a month (I dont like hearing the same stuff repeatedly but once in a while it's nice to get a refresh). All of the people I know either have no job or are spending so much on drugs that they cant afford much else, so I'm working to prove or disprove that you can become successful on your own. I'm planning a promotion which should net me around 35,000 customers out of 500,000 exposed (which I think is a decent number), all of which would be buying the energy drinks. The question is, can it work? I realize managing 35,000 customers on my own will be a bit of a hassle but thanks to the internet it should be alot easier. But by my calculations, 35,000 people at 3 cases per month (for free shipping ATM) is 396,900 in price difference and 630,000 in performance bonuses, per month. What do you think, having experience in the plan?
ReplyDeleteBTW I've found that most of these anti-amway sites are usually related to the people who sponsor them, and not the amway plan itself. My uplines (as they should be) are trying to help me, they even helped me adjust my spending at no charge.