One of the things that my upline taught, and I believe is still taught today in various groups is that winners join Amway and losers do not. Or that you were a winner because you were doing something to better your financial future and those who didn't were losers. or broke minded. Of course the upline who said this had no knowledge about those who were not in Amway. Some of them may already have been financially sound or may have been doing something to better their financial future. I'm not sure why these uplines, who promote "positive", had to resort to calling people losers simpy because they did not agree that Amway was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
In many games or sporting events, there will be someone or a team that wins the game and someone or a team that loses the game. Losing a game doesn't make you a loser and certainly, a team that wins the game would not say the losing team were losers. Can you imagine a pro football team's coach taking the podium after a game and saying his team won because the other team was a bunch or broke minded gutless losers? That would never happen, yet we see that frequently in the Amway/IBO world. The owner of Amway, Rich DeVos had once said in a recorded message that just because people do not agree with you (paraphrased) about Amway, does not make them losers and that IBOs should not call people losers.
In all of this, people's jobs are also criticized. That a job stand for "just over broke" or "jackass of the boss" and other blurbs. Many IBO's goals and dreams consist of ditching their job so they can sleep all day and live a life of luxury. Ironically, it is most IBO's jobs that continue to produce income so they can pay their bills and feed their family. It is also an IBO's job that funds their Amway and AMO expenses such as product purchases and functions and voicemail, etc. Without having a job, most people could not even join Amway or pay for any tools. Sadly, most IBOs won't make any money in Amway either, and will have to continue to work at their jobs. I do not believe that someone earning an honest living working a job is a loser. Ironically, the folks calling people losers are often not even netting a profit from their Amway business!
Yes, in this business or the sports world, there will be winners and there will be losers. The question is whether you are the one who is allowed to be the judge of who is and who isn't. I would also suggest that IBOs are completely shutting down potential future business by their behavior. What if I went to a store to purchase something but the item was not available on that particular day, so I don't purchase anything and leave. As I leave, the store owner says I am a loser for not buying something there. Will I go back? Very unlikely. If an IBO truly sees themselves as a store owner, all prospects should be seen as potential business, whether future or present. If your upline tells you that people not interested are losers, you should hand him a mirror.
I just read a couple of your articles. Wow, have you got a hate going on. I should start by saying I was an Ibo and quit about 25 years ago. I am ok to say that the reason I quit was that I was lazy. And maybe a little shy about sharing the opportunity. I think in our years of being in the amway business, we maybe broke even or made a little bit. But there was a few things that I learned. I learned about working hard in order to achieve something in business. I learn to invest in myself and my business in order to succeed. I was pretty young when I started. You talk about upline bullying you into buying things that you didn't need. That's really sad that you had an up line like that. Well with somebody in our up line was trying to hit a certain goal they did call to ask if anybody needed to order anything , but it was not something that we didn't need. It was something that we were ordering anyways just ordering today instead of next week. I still use a number of the products like the laundry soap and home care products at retail because I do believe they are a good value and I find that they work better than the cheap junk that I buy in the store. You talk about upline bullying you into certain things. I found them to be an encouragement. You talk about them only in it for themselves. But I had up line that spent countless hours with me building my business and refusing to take any money to help me do it. I actually feel bad that I quit before they were able to make any real money off of my efforts. Because they deserved it for the amount of work that they put in. I want to talk a little bit about what has happened since then. While I was not able to make a success at the Amway business what it did was it Taught me strict business principles which I applied to the rest of my life. It taught me discipline. It taught me about Hardwork. It taught me about investing in others without any real expectation of return. All these things have helped me in my existing businesses. Between my wife and I we now own four businesses. With These four businesses we have managed to take care of ourselves as well as our children which of both grown and moved out of the house for the last 20 years. I'm not going To kid you it has been hard work. I truly believe without having first been in the Amway business I don't think I would've had the confidence or the business knowledge in order to start her first business. And that has made all the difference. I am not telling you that there is not fake people that are involved in the amway business just like they're fake people in other business who take advantage of people who aren't able to stand up for themselves or people who are easily fooled. Sometimes people suck. The reason I came across your blog to begin with was because after 25 years of not being a distributor I wife and I are looking on how to get back in the Amaybusiness in order to get our products at wholesale. At this point, we see it as a wholesale buying club for us as opposed to a business. Like we need one more business. I truly hope that you can get some help for this deep found hatred because this will consume you man.sounds like you were taking a dvantage of. Move on.
ReplyDeleteYou're a liar. I also don't believe that you quit 25 years ago and now you are looking to buy Amway stuff at wholesale.
ReplyDeleteI never once said anyone "bullied me" into buying stuff. You made that up. I also don't have any hatred because of my time in Amway. I blog only because I do not want people to get sucked into the hype and lies told by Amway uplines.
Also, did anyone teach you how to write in paragraphs?
Joe, this long-winded jerk posting at 7:26 PM (if he's telling the truth about being out of Amway for a quarter of a century) proves one thing. The poisonous brainwashing of Amway is very long-lasting!
ReplyDeleteHe admits that he failed in the business, but still sings its praises to the sky. Good grief!
I often see Ambots hitting the blogs pretending to be someone either not associated with the cult (an outside observer) or a former cult member who does the "blame the victim" game. (people who don't become rich were lazy, didn't do it right, etc). Sure, some people who get into Amway only do it half-hearted to appease a friend or family member, but a huge number go all out following their upline's instructions to the letter... and still lose money. In fact, the amount an Ambot loses through Amway seems to coincide directly with how much they follow their upline's "guidance", because of course the upline is only concerned with separating their downline from their money.
ReplyDeleteAs for joining the cult just to get Amway products at "wholesale", the fact that Amway products are usually 2...3...4... 5 times more in cost than what they could buy better brands in the stores at, even with the tiny "rebate" that Amway gives it's "IBO's" they STILL lose money in the deal.
Amway is a losing proposition, no matter why you join it.
~Dave
Anonymous said, "I just read a couple of your articles. Wow, have you got a hate going on. I should start by saying I was an Ibo and quit about 25 years ago."
ReplyDeleteThis is...very hard to believe. Judging by your opening attack on Joe and the length of this post, it is likely that you are a current angry IBO.
Anonymous said, "I am ok to say that the reason I quit was that I was lazy. And maybe a little shy about sharing the opportunity."
Typical scapegoating and brainwashed propaganda nonsense. Interesting that you still fall for that rhetoric 25 YEARS LATER. That doesn't make any sense.
Anonymous said, " I learned about working hard in order to achieve something in business. I learn to invest in myself and my business in order to succeed."
More stupid rhetoric that has been repeated many times. This is meaningless drivel. If you are starting a business, and you don't know how to invest in yourself, then I'm not really sure what you would call that.
Anonymous said, "You talk about upline bullying you into buying things that you didn't need. That's really sad that you had an up line like that. Well with somebody in our up line was trying to hit a certain goal they did call to ask if anybody needed to order anything , but it was not something that we didn't need. It was something that we were ordering anyways just ordering today instead of next week."
So many problems with your story! First of all, if you don't need more stuff, then you don't order more stuff. Second of all, you are literally saying he is profiting directly from your own purchases. HELLO PYRAMID SCHEME!? Third, it is okay for your upline to call you, but if Joe's upline called him it is bullying? Get out of here -- and 25 years is a long time to tailor your memory to fit your narrative (if I could even believe that).
Anonymous said, "I still use a number of the products like the laundry soap and home care products at retail because I do believe they are a good value and I find that they work better than the cheap junk that I buy in the store."
***THIS IS AN IMPORTANT LINE AND WILL BE REVISITED LATER***
Anonymous said, "You talk about upline bullying you into certain things. I found them to be an encouragement. You talk about them only in it for themselves. But I had up line that spent countless hours with me building my business and refusing to take any money to help me do it. I actually feel bad that I quit before they were able to make any real money off of my efforts. Because they deserved it for the amount of work that they put in."
What the actual heck!? Of course they were encouraging, they were making money off of you. Of course they spent time with you, they were making money off of you. You still feel bad 25 years later, and you admit they were using a pyramid to make money off of you. This is complete horse manure.
I'm going to continue to another post, but I'm going to presume this is "Rick" again and more ridiculous antics.
Anonymous said, "While I was not able to make a success at the Amway business what it did was it Taught me strict business principles which I applied to the rest of my life. It taught me discipline. It taught me about Hardwork. It taught me about investing in others without any real expectation of return."
ReplyDeleteOh stop it. This mind-numbing crap has nothing to do with business and is just some emotional fluff. Oh, and who invests in others and expects nothing in return? Wouldn't that be the opposite of a savvy investment? Wouldn't that just be giving money away? This makes no sense!
Anonymous said, "Between my wife and I we now own four businesses. With These four businesses we have managed to take care of ourselves as well as our children which of both grown and moved out of the house for the last 20 years."
Impressive! You own four businesses! You really went out on a limb with this one, and I'm thoroughly impressed! I won't question anything you say from here on out because you own 4 businesses!!! (note the sarcasm, and I also don't believe you own any PROFITABLE businesses)
Anonymous said, "I'm not going To kid you it has been hard work. I truly believe without having first been in the Amway business I don't think I would've had the confidence or the business knowledge in order to start her first business. And that has made all the difference."
Do you even believe your own crap any more? You might as well be giving an Oscar-winning speech about Amway and how it is the most wonderful thing that ever happened to you, and yet you quit 25 YEARS ago! NOBODY, I repeat, NOBODY, does this, and NOBODY would be looking at an anti-AMWAY blog with this much love for the company.
Anonymous said, " I am not telling you that there is not fake people that are involved in the amway business just like they're fake people in other business who take advantage of people who aren't able to stand up for themselves or people who are easily fooled. Sometimes people suck."
Ding ding ding! This is YOU! You are a fake person, you are running fake businesses, and you suck! You hit the nail on the head!
Anonymous said, "The reason I came across your blog to begin with was because after 25 years of not being a distributor I wife and I are looking on how to get back in the Amaybusiness in order to get our products at wholesale."
***TIME TO GO BACK TO THE LINE I SAID WAS IMPORTANT***
Why would someone be looking online to join Amway if they are currently purchasing the products!? Oh, that's because they are completely full of crap and are currently in AMWAY! If you are purchasing Amway products, then you already know a distributor and can already join the business, but let's not kid ourselves, this guy is already in Amway and is a complete shill! My bet, again, is that this is the infamous "Rick" from "Liberty Marketing". The whole 25 years ago thing fits with the time he has probably actually been in Amway.
Oh, and also, why the heck would you buy the products for 25 years at retail and all of a sudden realize you were being ripped off? Come on!? This wreaks of BS.
Anonymous said, "At this point, we see it as a wholesale buying club for us as opposed to a business. Like we need one more business. I truly hope that you can get some help for this deep found hatred because this will consume you man.sounds like you were taking a dvantage of. Move on."
How about, YOU MOVE ON! Nobody is buying your crap, and the only one foaming at the mouth with hatred -- is you! Get the heck out of here!
I checked my stat tracker and Rick did pay us a visit and leave a comment. LOL
ReplyDeleteThis "Rick" of Liberty Marketing is really obsessed with Joe Cool's blog. He keeps on coming back!
ReplyDeleteI wonder why he doesn't visit Anna Banana's blog. Perhaps he's aware that she'd rip him a new asshole. Joe Cool is much more polite and restrained. Rick also won't visit Dr. Doe's blog, most likely because the discussions there are beyond his intellectual pay grade.
In any case, he's fixated on the tidal wave of anti-Amway information that is going out, world-wide, and he's infuriated by it.