Thursday, April 21, 2022

Getting Into Debt?

 One thing that many Amway/WWDB IBOs tout is how their upline teaches them to get out of debt. While on the surface that sounds like an awesome thing to do, it's not what WWDB mentors are actually doing. They want to give the appearance that they have your best interest in mind and that they want you to succeed. At least that's what they want you to think. Sadly, many IBOs get sucked into believing this. I will go on to explain why this is and to give prospects and information seekers some food for thought.  Sadly, the end result is IBOs just creating debt thru Amway instead of other ways.

If you have an open mind, you will see my point. Prior to someone joining Amway, they most likely didn't buy any Amway products and certainly didn't focus on spending about $200 to $300 monthly on buying household products, especially if they are single people. So how is buying more stuff than you used to, supposed to help you get out of debt? All you are really doing is sacrificing things you used to enjoy spending on Amway stuff. If you actually made a net profit from your Amway business, that might be okay. But most IBOs are making nothing or losing money while being taught to never quit or that success is right around the corner.

If your upline or mentor is teaching you to get out of debt, are they also advising you to invest any "extra" money into investments? Are they teaching you to plan for the future, in case the Amway business doesn't pan out? Are they advising you to save money? More than likely, the answer is "no".

Your upline will be advising you to use any money you have available to invest in tools and functions. WWDB premiere club, download audios (at a charge), standing orders book of the month and attend all functions. You will be advised to do this even if your business has not made a cent in profit. But you say your sponsor or upline loans you tools, and pays for your functions? That might be true, but guess what? Once you sponsor someone, you will be the one loaning tools (that you paid for) and/or paying for your downline's functions because with a downline, you are now a "real business owner". It's amazing how so many people get fools into believing that upline wants you out of debt for your own good. Upline wants to out of debt for upline's good. For that reason, you might be told to get to the next big function at any cost, no matter what. That your business will be set back months or years if you miss it. The reality is missing a big function might be your wisest financial decision.

Your upline may want you out of debt, but they more than likely have their own interest at heart and not yours. Look at it objectively and ask your trusted friends who are not in Amway what they believe. This is advice from someone who has no reason to lead anyone astray. I experienced this and fell for the trick as a young and hopeful dreamer. Now I am hopeful that my experience can prevent others from falling into the trap that I fell into.

5 comments:

  1. You're exactly right.

    In URA, IBOs would have counseling sessions with their Upline or mentor or coach and go over budgets. The TL;DR of this is that you stop buying anything not related to Amway and then pour that money into Amway.

    Have a car that has a payment of $300 a month? Sell it and buy a run down used car for $150 a month and pour the savings back into your business

    Amazing that there were never any constraints on buying tools and product and going to functions or buying gas to put in the car to attend those functions, but the grocery bill or the disposable income spending would be cut.

    IBOs need to be cautious of these sessions. Think about when your Upline is setting up your Ditto to come out on the 1st of every month and you immediately find yourself between $500 and $1,000 in the hole each month buying stuff you don't need or stuff that only costs a fraction of the price elsewhere.

    Is it really in your best interest then to follow Upline's "mentorship?"

    Not at all.

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  2. URA is one of the most predatory and greed-driven AMOs in the Amway racket. They demand a huge monthly PV, and they are on your back constantly to meet it.

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    1. You're right. One of the smallest AMOs that broke away from BWW and weren't afraid to talk crap about them either. That's the funny thing about these breakaway AMOs. They make it sound like the last place was the worst place ever.

      But to your point. Heaven forbid you're a sharp looking person in a mall, Target, or Walmart in Northern Virginia. IBOs are in full attack mode harassing these types of people.

      And being called scum by my former Upline Emerald's Upline Emerald who is now Diamond didn't help things either. I don't care if he was on the cover of Amway Magazine. And he called our group scum for what? Because we didn't sell out our ticket allotment for the December 2017 local "Business Success Seminar" at $15 a pop.

      Something tells me he wasn't also about the PV...but he was also in the business of selling tickets.

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  3. WWDB expected "hard core" singles to consume 300 PV monthly. That's about $900 or more in monthly consumables.

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    1. Yup. 300 by the 5th was the rallying cry in URA as well even though you were pressured into having a 300 point Ditto processed on the 1st.

      The funny thing is the panic messages from my Upline Emerald during months where Dittos did not process on time talking about "how these things happen with a multi-billion dollar company that is bigger than the NFL."

      In reality, he would see that some people stopped their Ditto orders for a month and he didn't have that Downline PV locked in so he put it on the Company and sent out app messages to all of his Downline.

      Towards the end of my run with them, they were pushing 500 by the 5th, then by the 1st and eventually 600 on the 1st.

      I remember that for the longest time, they used "300 by the 5th as the 'URA Standard'", but apparently, that got back to the home office and URA had to stop using that term. They then went with, "URA Recommendation." But we all know it wasn't a recommendation at all because of the verbal and mental abuse IBOs would get when you went a month accomplishing what THEY wanted.

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