One of the things I see around some forums, and what I remember from my Amway days is hearing about how someone "made the decision" to go diamond. You cannot "decide" to go diamond anymore than you can decide to win the lottery. You can decide to work hard and you can decide to try and follow all of the recommended advice for achieving in Amway, but you cannot "decide" to go diamond. Going diamond requires you to have certain group structures, which requries sponsoring. Sponsoring others is something that is not directly within your control. Maintaining retention in your group is also something you may not have direct control over.
One familiar theme I recall hearing on WWDB rally tapes is that someone, usually the man of the house, finally made a decision to go diamond. I don't recall a detailed explanation of what that meant. When I was prospected into Amway, my sponsor never could tell me in a straight answer what you actually do as an IBO. All he kept assuring me of was that I could be taught everything I needed to know. Looking back, he was right. In a nutshell, the Amway business is simply this: Buy, sell, and sponsor. But of the three components, the only one an IBO can directly control is to "buy". To sell or to sponsor is something that you have no direct control over. Yes, some people can improve and get better at selling or prospecting, but I believe the vast majority of people, even those who work hard and give effort, simply do not have the skills to overcome the reputation and high prices that apparently stigmatize the Amway business.
As I have stated, you can decide to try Amway. You can decide to buy tools and products, you can decide to work hard and give your best effort. You can decide that this is a good opportunity for you. But you cannot decide that you will go diamond. Many have tried, very very few have made it. Even those who attain the apparent pinnacle of success, often find that maintaining the level is a near impossible task. There is evidence of many former diamonds and diamonds who actually quit. Where's the residual income that IBOs like to speak of? Why would someone quit if they can walk away and receive residual income. You know why.
Good luck to you if you "decide" to go for it.
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I disagree with this. I used to sell appliances for Sears. Most people know that they sell Protection Agreements with every appliance. The reality is that 80%. Of people don't take it. I decided I was going to be the top sales person on the team (my decision). Now, I cannot control if people buy it or not. If they want it, they will take it. But I made the decision to find that 20%. I was the top sales person. And I made that decision.
This business is no different. You can make the decision to go diamond. I'd you quit, you have just made the decision not to go diamond. I have made the decision to go diamond. I have made the decision to find more "no's", which leads to the 20% of "yes's" that are out there. I have had my Amway business for 9 months right now and I am qualified for platinum this year.
John Sestina has been named "America's top financial planner" every year since 1996. He has been know to say the same things as this article. He got in the business to prove his point. Only he built the business to Diamond.
The business does not work if you are in it to try it. It only works if you are in it to do it. Your decision.
One final thought: You mention that very few people make it work. This is because very few people actually apply the advice they learn from those who do make it work. Every person who could not make it work complains about the books. Those books are written by successful people. Stop listening to your broke friends and family members who are not where you want to be in life and apply the knowledge you learn from successful people!
Shaz, you sound completely like an Ambot. Your lost with all that cult BS.
Shaz,
If Diamond in Amway is the sine qua non of "success", I don't want to be "successful." Got it? The "books" you tout as written by "successful people" are garbage - it is axiomatic that the most effective deceptions are the ones diluted with the most truth. Got it?
The truth is, the most successful Amway IBOs are those who have the guts to "make the decision" to quit sooner, rather than later, and thus save beaucoup of their time and treasure from the clutches of the con artists who run "systems" like Britt Worldwide and WWDB.
How do you like those apples?
I wish you the best for a non-IBO future.
--Daniel
Shaz, I said what you said a few months back... Honestly, I need you to decide one thing, either your are building amway/mlm business or you are in the internet. I am telling you this because, for god sake, even though Amway is mathematically made to ensure failure to IBOs (check my blog for details) it can work for you if you keep recruiting at least 20 new IBOs for another 15years without fail... these blogs and fights on the internet will take you nowhere.. these all are 'negative places' go and get on with positive guys!
hey shaz, just die. :)
**proud Amway hater**
Hey amwayscam! Thanks for the positive remarks! I usually do just go to positive things. However, I like to look at things dream stealers are saying once in a while. I have at times sponsored people that were at one time disbelievers. When I prove to them that it works by showing what I have done, their lives were changed. In fact, one of those disbelievers is in his 3rd month of platinum qualification as I work towards emerald.
As for those Amway haters that say things like "go die", it is quite obvious that they are very upset at life. They are not happy where they are at in life. They can't even figure out how to pay the next bill let alone get time of from work, if they even have a job. You can hate Amway all you want, but my business is growing with or without you!
Shaz,
Interesting non-response to my substantive remarks above. Let's see, how do us "dream stealers" out here in internet-land know that your "business is growing," only by virtue of your chest-thumping proclamations on Joe Cool's webpage? Not that a "growing business" is something to be admired, in the first place.
On one hand, I don't think you have ANY insight on whether Amwayscam or anyone else posting comments on this blog is "upset at life"; on the other hand, it seems fairly certain that you are a person of exceedingly low character.
--Daniel
+1
It just seems that people ( who are still broke) want to put down those who actually make it in a business that they (the nay sayers) have quit.I'd rather follow people to where I want to be then listen to complainers who quit.Besides they just want to get a rise out of people.
So who actually "made it" in the Amway business? I highly doubt that you're one of them.
Funny that most negative reviews on this are anynomous.
It's true, Amway is not for everyone. Not everyone is a Gordon Ramsay either, right?
I am in the business since 1995, that is, I still got my account, and after a few years of trying, I quited looking for prospects and since then only bought for my mother and my own, because these are very good products.
Am I a failure? I think not. My time with Amway thaught me a lot, those lessons which I could use in my "normal" career. So I won, eventhough I didn't make it "big".
Shaz, keep doing what you do, it is obviously for you. Don't listen to those negative people and keep strong. I wish youu alle the succes in the world...
Kind regards, Silvester Agterberg, The Netherlands
If you're using the products for yourself and mother, then you are just a customer and you have not been successful from a business standpoint. Did you join to buy products or were you enticed to join and make millions of dollars like most people?
Joecool,
I began to run the biz, but it wasn't the thing for me. I tried for 5 years, then I went passive. After that, I just sold my product to my mother.
You must understand, this is not for anybody. Not everyone becomes a butcher, not everyone becomes a baker, so why would everyone become a Amway-businessowner?
Eitherway I learned very much during those years. Lessons I used in my previous and current career. My sellingskills I used when I worked at a vintageshop, my administrationskills I use in my current job as an administrator in a semi-government firm.
That's why I say: If you have the chance, try it your best. If ultimately it isn't for you, at least you tried, and you'll always learn from it. Products are good, so it is no use giving up on them.
See the possibilities in the problems, not the other way around..
To Silvester Agterberg --
"Shaz" posted his comments here ten years ago.
Do you honestly think that he is still in the Amway racket today?
Unknown, what you do not see is that you still became the victim of bait and switch. You were recruited as a business owner, supposedly to make a nice income as a business owner. Now supposedly you remain in the business because you "like" the products. Since Amway people like McDonald's as an example, would you buy a McDonald's franchise to make money then fail to make money, but keep running the store because you learned a lot about business and because you like Big Macs and Egg Mcmuffins?
Joecool,
All i can say is this: I like KFC better... :-)
And to the other guy (or doll): I don't know, but why not? I still sell products after more than 25 years...
Kind regards to everyone, Silvester.
Do you mean, Silvester, that you are still selling Amway products to your mom?
Is that a serious business operation?
"My sellingskills I used when I worked at a vintageshop, my administration skills I use in my current job as an administrator in a semi-government firm."
I believe Anonymous that you learned some sales skills, which at least is a bit of honesty from your part, because it is marketed as not a sales job. Every time they tried to lure me to those evening sessions, I objected that I was not looking for a new sales opportunity, and every single answer I got was not to worry, what they were about to show me wasn't about sales. At least we can now both agree that is a lie - which is a good start.
But if sales is your thing, I can assure you there are many better places to learn about sales than Amway, where you'd learn more, have more self respect selling things that people or businesses actually want, and get compensated better for it, with a better relationship between effort and results.
"Do you mean, Silvester, that you are still selling Amway products to your mom?
Is that a serious business operation?"
Yes, I am selling it to my mom, she wouldn't have it any other way. Therefore we can buy our familyproducts cheaper. And no, it is no serieus business anymore, but I am still selling it, ain't I?
@Kwaaikat: of course I can learn selling in other places, but Amway came in my path, so I learned it there. Which I am grateful for. According to the Amway-plan it isn't about sales, the real power is the strengt of multiple selling points together. Just like you can brake one pencil, but a whole bunch of them is nearly impossible to break. The profit you can use as to pay for your expences (according to the plan). If you have multiple other people that will work with you (and sometimmes they get more succesful than you yourself!) it is obvous that you all make more sales, and therefore more bonusses are coming your way. Then the sales which you do yourself are percentagewise not as much as your bonus.
But, still you have to look for those people. If you cannot acchieve that, it is only a selling business.
Of course, it is about sales, but you don't have to sell too much as in a regular salesjob. Therefor the risk is minimum, and you can step out of it whenever you please which i did 20 years ago.
Still I believe it's a good plan. It is only not for everyone. Let people choose for themselves.
The problem with unknown's claim is that Amway products are not cheaper. $10 for shampoo when I can buy half a gallon of shampoo at Target for the same price. Or 4 tubes of Crest for the price of a tube of glister.
Joecool,
Done with the negativity?
The product are in price not so cheap as your regular product. But, if you use them, you have less product needed per use, so if you calculate that, the products of Amway are cheaper in use than your regular products. So you save money in your wallet, which you can spend for buying a gift for your spouse (if you have one).
And yes, I do believe that, after all I have more than 25 years of experience...
And Joecool, I am not unknown, as you already know my name is Silvester Agterberg, living in the Netherlands, and proud of it.
Silvester, your argument is one that so many IBOs parrot. That you simply use less product, thus making it a good value. But the same can be said of using crest toothpaste or WalMart shampoo.
I challenge you to post some specific examples so we can debate it, if you are willing to do it.
This isn't about negativity. It's about exposing the actual facts and the truth.
Joecool,
I am not going to debate it.
Not that I couldn't win the debate, I am certain I could, but this is way too much time consuming.
I like to end this, by saying:
Let everyone decide for themselves if it is someting for her/him. They have that right. Don't persuade to do it, or not to do it. It is their decision.
It is almost like those religious people that ring your doorbel, and try to persuade you to come too their church or you're doomed. It is simply not working that way. Faith is in your hart, not your brain. You have to believe in that what you are comfortable with. And if you are an atheist, that's ok too.
For Amway I can say, it's not a scheme, it's a way of making a living. If it's not for you, you'll find out quick enough. But you still tried. If it is, you made the right decision. And that's cool, Joe.
Kind regards, Silvester.
Silvester, it's still a scheme and a scam to sell people a business opportunity and then justify failure by saying you like the products or that you learned about business, etc.
That isn't what you signed up for and that is called a bait and switch.
Wow Shaz.
A John Sestina mention. Talk about a blast from the past. Haven't heard that name in several years. John and his wife Bobbi were always one of the cures for insomnia at major URA functions.
I wonder if he dropped out of qualification as he was recognized as by URA as a "Diamond" but not a "URA Diamond." Same thing happened with Eddie V. who for years had been announced as a "Diamond", but nobody knew he dropped out of qualification until he re-qualified Diamond about five years ago and they made a big deal about it.
Let them decide for themselves... What a nonsense. When Ambots push you hard to sign up using various cheesy tactics, you are deciding for yourself or it is basically forced decision? We are all free people, one can push you hard to sign up and buy your points each month, another may collect evidence, provide his own experience and arguments against it. Btw. weird, but have not seen 2021 sales published anywhere, have anyone seen it? To me clear sign Amway is going down and hard...
FYI, Amway revenue for 2021 was reportedly 8.4 billion. But considering Amway had 7+ billion in revenue when I was an IBO back around 1996, that's not much growth in more than 25 years.
And considering the pandemic and online sales going thru the roof, I'd say Amway is not going thru the roof as some uplines will likely say.
Does anyone have any old Doug Wead Cassettes or CD's? I am looking to buy them.
Steve
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