Tuesday, December 16, 2014

Amway IBOs In Denial?

One thing that appears to be common amongst IBOs is how IBOs are in denial. They truly believe that their uplines are working in their best interest and that upline wants their success. I don't believe that to be true. If uplines were truly making a fortune from Amway, why would an downline IBO have to pay for practically every bit of help they get from upline leaders? Do upline leaders actually evaluate your business before advising you to buy more tools? Why would your upline diamonds want to share their tool money with new downlines?

To show the plan, you would need to pay to attend an open meeting, and pay for your guests, even if they do not register as a result of the presentation. You pay for voicemail to communikate with your upline and downlines. You pay for standing orders and you may end up paying twice if you were in attendance at the function when the standing order was recorded. You pay for books and other materials as well. And you also must spend money to attend functions and seminars. Sadly, the training hasn't proven to be effective except for those who profit from selling the training.

What's more, many IBOs turn their heads when ugly facts rear their heads. For example, some IBOs deny that a prominent triple diamond was involved in bankruptcy proceedings. They continue to edify and pay for financial advice from someone who could not even manage his own finances. They believe that Amway saves marriages even when the leaders who speak this may be getting divorced. It's like upline simply revises history and downlines buy it without question. Many IBOs do not even see it as a problem that some upline boldy lied and said there were no profits from tools in the past. I find this odd because tool profits are still shrouded in secrecy and downline simply believe that they will eventually get a cut, even without a written compensation plan and agreement.

I believe too many IBOs are simply in denial. They give upline their trust and upline abuses it. IBOs are told they are successful for attending a function even when they might be losing money month after month. They may be told that the Amway business is not about money but about making friends. They may be told that they are nicer people because of their participation in Amway. What too many IBOs do not see is that they are in denial about their business. Most IBOs are losing money, a little at a time, perhaps $100 or $150 a month. For the hardcore, maybe more. But they are taught to ignore these simple facts and deny that there is a problem.

It is my hope that exposure of some of these tactics will be beneficial to information seekers and perhaps new IBOs who have not yet been fully indoctrinated. I encourage people to ask tough questions, demand answers and use due diligence when checking out this oppportunity. The fact is that very few people every make a profit and people should know this before getting involved. Don't deny the obvious.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

I remember showing a Amway ibo Duncan's bankruptcy, some emeralds negative tool experience on amquix,your blog and a bunch of court cases. The person was furious and sounded like she was quitting. Then came to me and threw it in my face. Dunno if its denial but the leaders are very persuasive or great mind control. They determined that I'm the lazy negative liar. Out to ruin her with false info. I'm later told I have no life and a bunch of other insults and haven't seen this girl since.

Joecool said...

Yes, I also encountered a few folks who said I was lying and that Greg Duncan could never go bankrupt. Even with the Montana public records showing the bankruptcy, these IBOs denied that it ever happened. Seems the WWDB diamonds just revise history and exclude any negatives that happen. The unsuspecting folks like your friend don't realize that these diamonds are the ones actually ruining people with false information.

Anonymous said...

I joined Amway recently but got out after a couple weeks after I stopped "Dream Building" and started thinking. I'm in the process of getting as much money back as I can. My wife got her credit card statement and somehow between signing up, a welcome kit, spending money on products to get a measly "bonus check," premier membership, communikate, standing order, tools and supplies we spent over $600!!! I have to ship all the junk back but hopefully I will be able to get back some money. Got the Amway signup fee back so far.

Joecool said...

Yes, try to get back all of your money. IBOs are always saying Amway is risk free. You can find out if that is true. If they refuse to refund you, file a formal complaint with Amway and the Better Business Bureau.

quixtarisacult said...

Ambots are never, never ever allowed to think freely. They must never, never ever even look at a negative word about Amway. Slavery to a system that wants to suck their finances dry. Hey, just like Scientology.

Anonymous said...

I went to a Brad Duncan function one time and he talked about how evil jobs are and how having a job is like being a horse, you get a saddle tossed on your back and are ridden ragged like a slave (standard stuff) then ON A DIME turned around and said he hired maids and cooks and whatnot to do everything for him and 'bought back his wife'. Is that a little hypocritical or is that just me?

Anonymous said...

These facts are good to see. Im also an Amway IBO in VN but here in our TQG system it only cost around 2 dollars going to weekly function in a month(50 cents each function). And OPPs open twice weekly and they are free. So it seems to be very important to choose the right system FYI glister toothpaste costs around 6 USD here.

Joecool said...

Brad Duncan is a lscammer. I wonder if he makes more on tools than from Amway? His brother Greg used to call people stupid for making loans and later we found that Greg filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy some years ago and had a bunch of loans. Hypocrites.

Joecool said...

Welcome back my friend. Yes, IBOs are taught to always think positive only. It's downright scary to see what they do and how they think. They worship money and their uplines.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, no kidding, Check out this gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDMc84JtqSQ

Anonymous said...

I have to ask anon. If he or she lives in a third world country? Can't imagine functions in north america being so cheap.

Anonymous said...

Well the point is you calculate the renting price for the function room divide by the number of people attending then that should be the price for the function ticket i.e no profit is made

Anonymous said...

The way brad shows off his wealth. Probably on his way to being like his older brother Greg. Which is bankrupted and living off credit cards

Joecool said...

Greg filed chapter 7 bankruptcy around 2009 or so. If you google greg duncan bankruptcy + amquix info you'll find it all with public documents. He lost his homes, had big credit card debt and owed a lot of back taxes. He also took out a loan of 1 million dollars from Amway. Ironic as Greg said people who makes loans are "stupid".

Joecool said...

Yes, so diamonds make a fortune off those "major" functions which occur four times a year plus they make decent money from open meetings, regional functions and other seminars. Then there's income from cds, books, premiere club, and other training material.

Anonymous said...

Joe, the rules of taking out loans and using credit cards being stupid. Only applies to the average ibos. There are no rules or standards followed by head cult leaders or diamonds. Leaders are allowed to have mortgages, divorce, not showing up to meetings,visiting sick friends etc.

Anonymous said...

Yeah if your ticket price is higher than your calculated so its means the system is not good then you should start your own system instead of quitting.of course it'll be very hard but possible

Joecool said...

Actually it's not possible unless you're a diamond. If you tried to start your own system, the diamonds would discredit you and de-edify you right away.

Joecool said...

Yes, the diamonds are "Do as I say, not as I do". Except the leaders to have mortgages, etc, probably lied to their downline about it. I remember distinctly that Greg Duncan "stupid comes t mind" when talking about someone taking out loans because it was stupid to pay interest to the bank and he emphasized that diamonds pay cash for everything.