One of the issues I have with the Amway plan is that the newest IBO, possibly the one who does the most "Work", receives the smallest compensation. Amway pays about 32% of their income back in the form of bonuses. An IBO who does 100 PV receives a 3% bonus and somewhere, uplines and sponsors receive the rest. Some of the upline may not have even met the IBO who actually did the work. Is that really fair and is that a level playing field? What do some of these uplines do to deserve the lion's share of the bonus you worked to get? Yes, the upline diamond may show the plan in an open meeting, which may help you, but then again, you pay for entrance into that meeting.
Many uplines will talk about dreams and fulfilling your dreams. But if an IBO would stop and think for a moment, you can easily see that you are building the dreams of your upline, and not your own. You receive a tiny portion of the bonus for the volume that you move, and then in addition, if you are on the system, then you are also paying upline in the form of tool purchases for the priviledge of giving them bonuses with your product purchases.
It is why your upline diamonds can parade around on stage with designer suits and show you their fancy cars and mansions and other toys. It is because they are cashing in on your efforts. You are making their dreams come true. Your dedication to moving volume and purchasing standing orders are fulfilling dreams. The upline dreams. Yes, someday you can hope to have your own group of downline to exploit for your own benefit, but unless you are adding members to your group regularly, you will never achieve the kinds of dreams that uplines talk about. In the meantime though, you are definitely helping someone upline achieve their dreams with every function you attend. Ironically, the upline leaders will tell you to never quit, even if they don't know your personal circumstances and/or how your business is progressing.
Here's a challenge for IBOs and/or prospects who are being recruited into the Amway business. 100 PV will cost around $300 a month and dedication to the tools system will cost you around $150 to $250 a month on average. Would you not be better off simply writing a check to your upline for $100 and not even joining? Would you not be better off staying home and watching television instead of joining? If you read all of the information available on this blog and still decide to join, good luck to you, but remember this: Whose dreams are being fulfilled by your participation?
Yours or your upline?
8 comments:
I have been doing AMWAY for 5 months now. I've doubled the $200 INVESTMENT, with little effort. IF you don't want, anybody to Make Money Off Of You. QUIT your J.O.B because I'm sure they are making a lot more than your upline.. I have been doing great at this and still growing, fast enough I will be able to replace my income soon, to do this full time,,, Because this is Much more fun than working 70 hrs a week to NEVER RETIRE.
If all you want to do is complain Please stay away from AMWAY.
*FACT* You have to work to make money, so don't join thinking it will work for you.
There is not a job or business out there, where someone won't make money off of you, so wake up! After you out perform or, reach platinum level you break away from your upline.
No one has convinced me yet, not even myself have found a better, easier, more fun way to make money! Bottom Line Every Business has problems, including AMWAY, think about the company you work for.
If you are considering to become an IBO please don't get your information from someone who spends more time investing in putting a business down, than it would to make it work.
So you've been in Amway and doubled your monet? Did you sponsor downline? Are you on tools and attendng functions? If so I highly doubt you are making a net profit.
If you work 70 hours a week and can never retire, you are working is a dead end job. I work a job that wil allow me to retire before the age of 57 and I'll live comfortably. I wonder how much crap your upline is teaching you? You sound like a recording on a tape. LOL
"I have been doing AMWAY for 5 months now. I've doubled the $200 INVESTMENT"
Have you taken into account the amount of money you have spent on expenses? CDs? Books? Meetings? Seminars? Conferences?
IT TOOK YOU 5 MONTHS TO MAKE $400? That should be a red flag there. You say this isn't like a real job, YOU ARE RIGHT. Even at minimum wage you would have made much more than that, and it wouldn't have cost $200.
Tell me, at your real job, did you have to pay $200 to start? Do you have to pay yearly fees, or monthly fees, to keep working there? Do they insist you buys merchandise that supports your job? Most companies, especially those worth working for, will PAY YOU to train, as well as pay for the training. Instead, you pay for your training as well as waste time you could be using finding prospects or customers.
"No one has convinced me yet, not even myself have found a better, easier, more fun way to make money!"
Become a professional sports player. Thousands have made millions doing it, they love what they do, they don't need a day job, and they get to walk the beaches of the world on residual income!
-Jerry
Your analysis is, if anything, unfairly kind, because you've left out the biggest part of Amway sales, the tools and functions business. For most IBOs, who have not reached any pin levels, there is zero commission in tools sales. Sure, you'll make a few percent commission off their product sales, but you'll make nothing from their tools and functions purchases.
For example, let's say you're an IBO with ten downline. Your downline is probably doing at least $15K/year in books, tapes, meetings, etc. Your commission is zero, and you personally get to pay full retail price for your own purchases. Ironically, the tools/functions business has the highest gross profit, and yet you make nothing.
Let's use an analogy, comparing Amway to selling meals at McDonalds. You're a counter person at McDonalds on straight commission. You sell a meal. You get three cents commission for selling the fries. You sell a burger and drink with the fries. You make nothing, but the managers and owner make $2.
Ska: "There is not a job or business out there, where someone won't make money off of you, so wake up!"
Thanks for stating the obvious. I doubt anybody thinks that upline making money off downline is bad per-se. It is the percentage that is unfair. You do the work, they make the bulk of the profit.
AnonTB
Good comment Jerry. It's amazing how these Amway leaders and twist and spin things so that an IBO thinks earning less than minimum wage is a huge success as shown by the person who left that comment.
Anon tb. Are you sure you understand the model. The upline makes money by convincing downlines to autoconsume over priced products they dont need. Now i call that bad. in effect what the uplines says is let me fool and rob you and then you can do the same to others.
Hey Ska, for the most part I think people in Amway are great people. You say you doubled your income in 5 months? That's not impressive, I did even better than that when I was in Amway. I still even have an IBO number, b/c I like the products. I've since moved on from the team b/c I've found something better, but buddy, I'm not gonna try and convince you to leave Amway, it's nearly impossible to do when you're sucked in. Take it from me, been in over 8 years, and was one of the best in my local area. I had a team with over 100 people! I would eat your lunch if you had something negative to say about Amway. What I mean is, I was the best at handling objections/negative from people. I have an answer for everything and it was good too! Since you've been in 5 months, you're either just starting to get in the groove of "aw man this is such an awesome business" or you're starting to feel the impact of putting in more than you get out, and I'm talking about money! Hey Ska, I know your list of names is running out so they probably trying to tell you to go contact strangers, which sucks! I actually got very good at contacting, getting about 10-15 new callable numbers a week, but it still sucks! Do me a favor, when they tell you that you can build this thing on a shoe string budget, ask them "how much is a shoe string budget" When they stand up in the classroom and state their best month in the business, ask them "exactly how long ago was that" actually Ska, a better question to ask them would be "how much did you make last month" this will be a better indicator of what they really make. And another thing, don't let them try to tell you to do 100% personal use! or even to do 100pv personal! why? b/c if you ever hear any old cd's/tapes they have Diamonds who say's they couldn't even do 100pv early in their business, some even say they had negative PV...these are Diamonds! they are telling their story. what I'm trying to say is if they can go Diamond and had negative pv or less than 100pv, then the secret is not you doing 100% personal use! or you buying 100pv personal. Do me another favor, look around your open meeting, observe some of the people that they are edifying or promoting, especially the newer ones, watch them closely for a month or two and you're going to see that those people become zombies in the room or they disappear altogether. They come up like a firecracker and go down fast. You'll see pin recognition, observe it closely, because in the following month, those people probably will not be mentioned again, why? b/c they didn't move on and hit new levels. It's all a fluke in the beginning when you first have your good list of names, then it's all downhill from there or harder from there which ever way you wanna see it. And also, pay attention and you'll hear them talk more about pins and pv than "money" why is this? b/c the pv rarely means profit, the only profitable pv pin that you can't argue with is Ruby. Ska, never, never, never, ever forget why you got in Amway to begin with...and like everyone else, you got in to "make money!" So keep it realistic b/c they're going to divert you to focus more on "making an impact, changing the world, finding purpose..yada yada yada.. I was the best at that LOL...and I wasn't trying to be misleading or deceptive, just got caught up in the hype and forgot the reason I got in for "to make money".
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