How many times have I seen or heard of IBOS lying or trying to trick someone into seeing a plan or trying to get someone interested in Amway. It almost becomes comical when you see tired old lines being used. I used to call it tapespeak because most likely the IBO heard it at a meeting or function or on a tape or audio of some sort.
What is amazing is how some IBOS and their leaders can think that deceiving a prospect is a good idea. In the long term it’s bad for business and significantly affects the Amway reputation in a negative way. I mean who wants to join up in business with people who lied to you? And for that matter, the same can be said if Amway apologists who also lie or tell half truths to defend Amway.
But the reason for lies, half truths, deception and other strategies is because the truth about Amway just isn’t pretty. You can put lipstick on a pig but in the end it’s still a pig. You can fluff up Amway and the opportunity but in the end, about half of all IBOS do nothing and 99% of IBOs or more make nothing or lose money. Factor in expenses for tools and functions and time spent and Amway becomes a financial disaster for many.
If you’re an IBO, be honest with yourself. Do you use the curiosity approach or leave out some information in the hopes of attracting people to the plan? Do you fake success as advised by upline? Do you hide the name Amway unless asked first? If so, you are part of the problem and not the solution.
Tuesday, January 28, 2020
Sunday, January 26, 2020
Amway? LOL!
If I got paid fir each time some IBO came here shooting off their mouths I’d be Uber wealthy! How many times have I heard that I’ll be sorry and in a few months some newbie will be retired at the age of 29 making 10k per month or more? How many times have I heard that so and so will be diamond and will be back to rub it in my face. Well, I’m still standing and waiting.
I recall a newbie Amway IBO offering me a wager that his diamond makes more money while taking a crap in the morning than I make all year. When I showed the math, that IBO disappeared never to be heard from again. What many folks don’t get is that many diamonds don’t make that much money and even if they have a nice income, they likely make much of it from selling function tickets and standing orders.
Also, a diamond lifestyle if you will, is a life of excess that likely has many diamonds living check to check and possibly living in debt themselves. Do the math yourself. Try and look how much it costs to fly first class for a family of four. Are speaking fees so lucrative that diamond families fly first class all the time? The math says no.
I’ve also heard reports of big pins living in below average neighborhoods and there were some diamonds who had homes foreclosed and one triple diamond who filed chapter 7 bankruptcy some years ago. As information is easier to get, I’ve also heard about Amway functions getting smaller and groups shrinking. That means the diamond lifestyle is even harder to maintain than ever. I wish I could say I feel sorry for the diamonds but all I can say is LOL. 😃
I recall a newbie Amway IBO offering me a wager that his diamond makes more money while taking a crap in the morning than I make all year. When I showed the math, that IBO disappeared never to be heard from again. What many folks don’t get is that many diamonds don’t make that much money and even if they have a nice income, they likely make much of it from selling function tickets and standing orders.
Also, a diamond lifestyle if you will, is a life of excess that likely has many diamonds living check to check and possibly living in debt themselves. Do the math yourself. Try and look how much it costs to fly first class for a family of four. Are speaking fees so lucrative that diamond families fly first class all the time? The math says no.
I’ve also heard reports of big pins living in below average neighborhoods and there were some diamonds who had homes foreclosed and one triple diamond who filed chapter 7 bankruptcy some years ago. As information is easier to get, I’ve also heard about Amway functions getting smaller and groups shrinking. That means the diamond lifestyle is even harder to maintain than ever. I wish I could say I feel sorry for the diamonds but all I can say is LOL. 😃
Friday, January 24, 2020
Amway and Lawsuits?
Someone recently left a comment on this blog about how Amway defenders would often threaten to sue Amway critics. It is true and I was threatened and harassed at one time by zealous Amway defenders because they claimed that I was damaging their business or that a prospect read my blog and decided not to join. I had to LOL at that. Amway zealots would never try to sue a critic for the following reasons:
The discovery process would likely get them laughed out of court or their case would be so weak that the courts would toss the case. I am only sharing my experiences on this blog and my informed opinions. I have a right to free speech as do others who have an opinion about Amway, good or bad. Also, some of the facts I refer to com from Amway.com so what is there to dispute? It’s a fact that most IBOs do little or nothing which leads to my next point.
How would someone prove damages when most IBOs do nothing? How could zero potential business add up to damages? Also, most prospects don’t sign up but it’s for various reasons and not because of some blog about Amway? Many people know others who had bad experiences and word of mouth advertising is pretty powerful. How about stats from Amway that show a tiny fraction of 1% reach any levels that might be profitable?
How many IBIs have come and gone from this very blog shooting off their mouths about going diamond only to be never heard from again shortly after? Yet here is Joecool continuing to post articles so Amway information seekers can gain a perspective from people who participated in Amway, achieved some degree of success and were let down by upline assurances of success. I have nothing to gain and receive no compensation for running this blog. I do it as a public service.
Comments are welcome! 😃
The discovery process would likely get them laughed out of court or their case would be so weak that the courts would toss the case. I am only sharing my experiences on this blog and my informed opinions. I have a right to free speech as do others who have an opinion about Amway, good or bad. Also, some of the facts I refer to com from Amway.com so what is there to dispute? It’s a fact that most IBOs do little or nothing which leads to my next point.
How would someone prove damages when most IBOs do nothing? How could zero potential business add up to damages? Also, most prospects don’t sign up but it’s for various reasons and not because of some blog about Amway? Many people know others who had bad experiences and word of mouth advertising is pretty powerful. How about stats from Amway that show a tiny fraction of 1% reach any levels that might be profitable?
How many IBIs have come and gone from this very blog shooting off their mouths about going diamond only to be never heard from again shortly after? Yet here is Joecool continuing to post articles so Amway information seekers can gain a perspective from people who participated in Amway, achieved some degree of success and were let down by upline assurances of success. I have nothing to gain and receive no compensation for running this blog. I do it as a public service.
Comments are welcome! 😃
Tuesday, January 21, 2020
Be Accountable?
Being accountable was one of the key teaching back in my Amway IBO days. That you needed to keep your word and do what you said you would. For the most part this sounds like a good thing, especially in business. Right? Be a man of your word. But like much of Amway it sounds good until you try to apply it.
For one thing, the up line who teaches this doctrine aren’t held accountable. Where’s the fruit on the tree and trail of success? Why don’t goops and functions lead to more sales and results? Why do IBOs who do as they are told but fail get the blame? Where is up line when this happens? Up line. Sure is quick to take credit and pat themselves on the back.
Another issue is that some things that an IBO is expected to do is out of their immediate control and there are bumps in the road caused by the Amway reputation such as negativity. You can’t force people to see the plan, sign up or buy Amway stuff but it’s part of upline expectations if you want to succeed. Miss a few of these vital steps and suddenly a promising young IBO is a failure who has nobody to blame but himself.
So I ask, where is the upline accountably? The system doesn’t churn out the results and expectations that are shown in recruitment meetings. Who is accountable for that? The downline? I don’t think so. 😩
For one thing, the up line who teaches this doctrine aren’t held accountable. Where’s the fruit on the tree and trail of success? Why don’t goops and functions lead to more sales and results? Why do IBOs who do as they are told but fail get the blame? Where is up line when this happens? Up line. Sure is quick to take credit and pat themselves on the back.
Another issue is that some things that an IBO is expected to do is out of their immediate control and there are bumps in the road caused by the Amway reputation such as negativity. You can’t force people to see the plan, sign up or buy Amway stuff but it’s part of upline expectations if you want to succeed. Miss a few of these vital steps and suddenly a promising young IBO is a failure who has nobody to blame but himself.
So I ask, where is the upline accountably? The system doesn’t churn out the results and expectations that are shown in recruitment meetings. Who is accountable for that? The downline? I don’t think so. 😩
Friday, January 17, 2020
Blame Yourself, Not Amway?
One of the things Amway IBOs are taught by their "great" diamond leaders is to blame themselves for not working the business hard enough or not doing things exactly right, even if they do exactly as upline advised. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Many people put forth tremendous effort but still do not succeed. But uplines want to be absolved from any responsibility so they teach downline that failure in Amway is their own (The downline's) fault. Upline however, is quick to take credit for any success, even if minimal.
But the reason is why hard work doesn't equal success is because an Amway IBO is basically a commissioned sales person. In commissioned sales, one can work hard for no reward and at times, little effort may reap large rewards. But in Amway, with a crappy reputation, Amway IBOs are given a handicap that most simply cannot overcome. Getting new people to recruitment meetings is hard enough, not even factoring in the abililty to sponsor others. When factoring in these tidbits, it's easy to see why uplines teach buy from yourself and selling is not important. It deflects the fact that selling is nearly impossible with less than competitive prices (in general)
Additionally, IBOs are encouraged to join the "system" such as WWDB, LTD, N21, etc. The system costs money and teaches IBOs to engage is many non income producing activities such as attending countless meetings and functions that do not result in increased sales volume. Imagine a store owner whose store was constantly closed so the owner could meet with other owners and/or someone who encourages them to do things that don't produce sales volume. That store owner would fail, which is what at least 99+% of Amway IBOs do.
The work involved is very simple. Sell products and get other IBOs in your downline to be able to leverage your volume. Many Amway IBOs work hard and attend all of the functions and do all of the steps as outlined by upline, but very few reap rewards and most quit when they realize that the system doesn't work. It is sad that on top of losing money, that IBOs are also taught to blame themselves for their demise. Where is the upline when IBOs bust their butts working hard and get no rewards? On top of that, to make it worse, uplines profit from selling training and motivation to their downlines. Why aren't they held acountable?
I've read comments by some Amway defenders wanting to sue Amway critics for a potential loss of business. But most critics, like myself are simply stating our experiences and opinions. Many of which are true and still happening today. So I will ask, what about the millions of former IBOs who may have lost billions of dollars because of false claims which led them to believe that they would get rich following upline advice? Maybe former IBOs should unite and file claims against unethical upline leaders who led them astray? How can IBOs lose business from a critic when the vast majority do nothing and/or ultimately fail anyway?
In any case, hard work doesn't equate success in Amway and I dare anyone to try to prove me wrong.
But the reason is why hard work doesn't equal success is because an Amway IBO is basically a commissioned sales person. In commissioned sales, one can work hard for no reward and at times, little effort may reap large rewards. But in Amway, with a crappy reputation, Amway IBOs are given a handicap that most simply cannot overcome. Getting new people to recruitment meetings is hard enough, not even factoring in the abililty to sponsor others. When factoring in these tidbits, it's easy to see why uplines teach buy from yourself and selling is not important. It deflects the fact that selling is nearly impossible with less than competitive prices (in general)
Additionally, IBOs are encouraged to join the "system" such as WWDB, LTD, N21, etc. The system costs money and teaches IBOs to engage is many non income producing activities such as attending countless meetings and functions that do not result in increased sales volume. Imagine a store owner whose store was constantly closed so the owner could meet with other owners and/or someone who encourages them to do things that don't produce sales volume. That store owner would fail, which is what at least 99+% of Amway IBOs do.
The work involved is very simple. Sell products and get other IBOs in your downline to be able to leverage your volume. Many Amway IBOs work hard and attend all of the functions and do all of the steps as outlined by upline, but very few reap rewards and most quit when they realize that the system doesn't work. It is sad that on top of losing money, that IBOs are also taught to blame themselves for their demise. Where is the upline when IBOs bust their butts working hard and get no rewards? On top of that, to make it worse, uplines profit from selling training and motivation to their downlines. Why aren't they held acountable?
I've read comments by some Amway defenders wanting to sue Amway critics for a potential loss of business. But most critics, like myself are simply stating our experiences and opinions. Many of which are true and still happening today. So I will ask, what about the millions of former IBOs who may have lost billions of dollars because of false claims which led them to believe that they would get rich following upline advice? Maybe former IBOs should unite and file claims against unethical upline leaders who led them astray? How can IBOs lose business from a critic when the vast majority do nothing and/or ultimately fail anyway?
In any case, hard work doesn't equate success in Amway and I dare anyone to try to prove me wrong.
Thursday, January 16, 2020
Amway Just Sucks?
What manyAmway defenders seem to miss is the very real possibility that Amway just sucks. It may look good at a board plan with an eloquent speaker showing the plan but when all is said and done, the vast majority of people wind up with a loss after their investment of time and money.
What goes unnoticed too often is that the system simply doesn’t work. Sounds easy to “find six” but the fact is that most people will never find 6 people interested in seeing the plan, much less finding six down line platinums. Only a fraction of one percent of IBOs eve go platinum so do the math on finding and maintaining six of these groups down line.
The products is general are generic in nature but premium in price. That’s a fact that makes Amway a nearly impossible business to succeed in. Toss in the bad reputation and you have a recipe for disaster. The obvious is that Amway just sucks in my opinion.
It’s too bad that starry eyed prospects usually can’t see through the smoke and mirrors because their vision is blurred by dreams of residual income and early retirement. Sadly, the false dreams turn into broken dreams all too often.
What goes unnoticed too often is that the system simply doesn’t work. Sounds easy to “find six” but the fact is that most people will never find 6 people interested in seeing the plan, much less finding six down line platinums. Only a fraction of one percent of IBOs eve go platinum so do the math on finding and maintaining six of these groups down line.
The products is general are generic in nature but premium in price. That’s a fact that makes Amway a nearly impossible business to succeed in. Toss in the bad reputation and you have a recipe for disaster. The obvious is that Amway just sucks in my opinion.
It’s too bad that starry eyed prospects usually can’t see through the smoke and mirrors because their vision is blurred by dreams of residual income and early retirement. Sadly, the false dreams turn into broken dreams all too often.
Sunday, January 12, 2020
The Amway Mind Game?
This was a comment left on this blog. It is a very good description of what many Amway BOs experience and how uplines manipulate them.
Amway is totally a mind game. Controlling your mind is the name of the game. Each and everything that is said from the stage, in the cd..is done for a reason. When you are in it, you dont think u are being manipulated. Rather you are made to feel like you are a winner..and you are exceptionally better off than the average outside(non-amway) people, whereas in reality you are loosing every day- loosing in the sense, you are not getting the results for the efforts u are putting.
Every possible negative situation that could happen is thought of and covered from the stage, and the cd. For eg: let's say u have been in the business for 5 years and not making profit. You will listen to a cd where the speaker says nothing happened to them for the first 5 years of business- so u will be like, this is so similar to my story..if I stay a little more time, it is going to work for me.
The job world and the outside people (non-amway people) is painted in such a negative color in the system, so u will be like business is not working..but jobs dont work either...let me stick it out and make it in the business...anyway i will not be able to even spend any time with people outside, let me stay in the business.
You are encouraged to have bigger dreams and get pictures of your dreams on your fridge or have a dream board. In a way this keeps u in the biz, b'coz it is your dream and u are like, how can i choose to leave the biz and these dreams.
Big time stroking of ego happens in all associations. At all associations, whoever that is getting results at that time is promoted through the roof. Sometimes when u are not getting any results, some of the big pins, wont even acknowledge ur presence. U will be like...i will show it to u, what i am capable of and will stay in the biz some more time.
The main goal of the system is to keep u in the biz for some more time, until that next function or seminar comes to pump u up or give u hope. In the meantime u will be buying 300PV worth of product and increase Amway's business and will be buying tools and be inncreasing your system's income.
If u have a few people in your group, quitting becomes even more difficult, u will be like..how can i tell these people, whom i gave dreams and got them in...that i am not going to pursue.
If ur upline is in the local area, if u tell them that u dont want to continue, they will come to ur house, spend hours with u and will use every technique in the book to keep u in.
For those of u who have read "How to win Friends and Influence people"- two main techniques are used from that book in amway business: 1) Appeal to Nobler cause- There is no real money in Amway for most people- so what do they appeal to - Impacting people, better marriages, great families, Free Enterprise, Intagible benefits like becoming a better person etc etc etc.
2)Dramatize your ideas- This is what happens in the function- whereas everything is dramatized--incredible fear about economy, job world is put in your mind and incredible rewards achieved by people in the business is constantly talked about( in a crowd of 3000 in a function, at the most 20 so called successful people talk-so there is your ratio of sucess.)
So, how does this business run? why do people stay in? for HOPE...HOPE of making it one day..HOPE of achieving their dreams...They stay afloat with HOPE
Amway is totally a mind game. Controlling your mind is the name of the game. Each and everything that is said from the stage, in the cd..is done for a reason. When you are in it, you dont think u are being manipulated. Rather you are made to feel like you are a winner..and you are exceptionally better off than the average outside(non-amway) people, whereas in reality you are loosing every day- loosing in the sense, you are not getting the results for the efforts u are putting.
Every possible negative situation that could happen is thought of and covered from the stage, and the cd. For eg: let's say u have been in the business for 5 years and not making profit. You will listen to a cd where the speaker says nothing happened to them for the first 5 years of business- so u will be like, this is so similar to my story..if I stay a little more time, it is going to work for me.
The job world and the outside people (non-amway people) is painted in such a negative color in the system, so u will be like business is not working..but jobs dont work either...let me stick it out and make it in the business...anyway i will not be able to even spend any time with people outside, let me stay in the business.
You are encouraged to have bigger dreams and get pictures of your dreams on your fridge or have a dream board. In a way this keeps u in the biz, b'coz it is your dream and u are like, how can i choose to leave the biz and these dreams.
Big time stroking of ego happens in all associations. At all associations, whoever that is getting results at that time is promoted through the roof. Sometimes when u are not getting any results, some of the big pins, wont even acknowledge ur presence. U will be like...i will show it to u, what i am capable of and will stay in the biz some more time.
The main goal of the system is to keep u in the biz for some more time, until that next function or seminar comes to pump u up or give u hope. In the meantime u will be buying 300PV worth of product and increase Amway's business and will be buying tools and be inncreasing your system's income.
If u have a few people in your group, quitting becomes even more difficult, u will be like..how can i tell these people, whom i gave dreams and got them in...that i am not going to pursue.
If ur upline is in the local area, if u tell them that u dont want to continue, they will come to ur house, spend hours with u and will use every technique in the book to keep u in.
For those of u who have read "How to win Friends and Influence people"- two main techniques are used from that book in amway business: 1) Appeal to Nobler cause- There is no real money in Amway for most people- so what do they appeal to - Impacting people, better marriages, great families, Free Enterprise, Intagible benefits like becoming a better person etc etc etc.
2)Dramatize your ideas- This is what happens in the function- whereas everything is dramatized--incredible fear about economy, job world is put in your mind and incredible rewards achieved by people in the business is constantly talked about( in a crowd of 3000 in a function, at the most 20 so called successful people talk-so there is your ratio of sucess.)
So, how does this business run? why do people stay in? for HOPE...HOPE of making it one day..HOPE of achieving their dreams...They stay afloat with HOPE
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