I recently read a comment from an Amway zealot. She mentions that someone's credentials must be considered when looking at information that is presented. I will comment that showing me a sports car or a fancy suit is not proof of financial success. Strange how they question credentials of everyone except their beloved leaders, some of whom told bold faced lies in the past.
I find this subject ironic because not one single upline leader, as far as I know, has ever supplied bonafide credentials about themselves. The audience assumes that the person on stage has high credentials, but do they really? Certainly, if someone is wearing a diamond pin for example, that this person has at least achieved the diamond level as recognized by Amway, but the level may not be current, and the level doesn't indicate the kind of income this person earns from Amway. Also, the diamond pin is one that is like a lifetime achievement, meaning you could have been diamond for 6 months in 1982 and never qualified again, but you can still wear the pin as you are still recognized as having achieved diamond status. I guess Joecool should be refered to as 4000 PV if that is the case.
What many people wrongly assume is that the diamonds buy homes and cars in cash, that they wake up at noon every day and participate in leisure activities all day while the cash rolls in. I have heard from some new IBOs, that their upline makes more money taking a crap in the morning than a critic makes in a whole year at a job. That IBO became quiet when some critics offered to take that bet. I doubt that any diamonds would take that bet.
But the truth of the matter is that as far as I know, only former diamonds have come clean about their Amway income. They are the only ones who spoke of credentials and accomplishments. Even critics of Amway will often openly speak about their experiences and achieved levels in the business. In the REAL business world, showing business tax returns and credentials are a normal part of doing business. It appears that only in the world of Amway is the supply of credentials and financial statements a big secret. Now I am not suggesting that IBOs or upline leaders should disclose their financials to the entire world, but certainly prospects and some downline should be able to see what their upline is doing financially, especially if that is the basis for purchasing their standing orders and function tickets. And I refer to business (Amway and Tools) income and expenses only, not from other personal sources.
I believe that IBOs and upline leaders do not disclose that information because it would not be beneficial to them. If it were, they would likely publish it freely, just as they flash around copies of checks. IBOs and prospects should take this to heart and ask upline the tough questions
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Let's look at what the word "credential" actually means. It's from the Latin "credere," which means "to believe." Credentials are tangible proof that your claims about yourself can be believed by others.
Examples of real credentials are:
1) A diploma. This proves that you have successfully completed a course of study at a university.
2) A passport. This proves that you are a bona fide citizen or subject of the country that issued the passport.
3) A driver's license. This proves that you have been approved by some state or region as a qualified operator of a motor vehicle.
4) A police officer's badge. This proves that you are a member of the police force, and have the authority which goes along with that membership.
5) A birth certificate. This proves you were born at a certain time and place.
6) Fingerprint records. These prove beyond any doubt that you are a certain individual, and no one else.
7) A deed of ownership. This proves that you are the legal possessor of a house or some other piece of property.
8) A marriage license. This proves that you and your spouse were legally married at a certain time and place, by a legitimate authority.
Of course all of the above credentials (except fingerprints) can be faked by criminals or other unscrupulous persons. But those exceptions aside, the above credentials are things to be trusted. You can SEE them and you can READ them. They are issued by unquestioned authorities, and they can be CHECKED. Persons to whom you show them can BELIEVE you.
Nobody in Amway has ever presented to prospective recruits anything at all like the above credentials. What will your Platinum show you? A xeroxed copy of an old check? A photo of his Mercedes?
Ask him for copies of his last three years of Income Tax returns. Ask him for a bank book of his savings. Ask him for a detailed profit-and-loss account of his Amway business. Those things are real CREDENTIALS, like the stuff enumerated above.
And when you ask, be prepared for an outraged and huffy NO! from him.
They'll say it's none of your business if you ask them about prrof of profits and losses. Imagine that!
Cool, How many CEO's show their income worldwide? How many Bussiness Owners do that? You use to do that in social media monthly? Come on, you all have a wrong idea aboutthis bussiness, in other MLM people do that but it's not a good idea. If you believe and Do the work You get your income monthly, but If You don't forget it...traditional job is the same.
"Cool, How many CEO's show their income worldwide? How many Bussiness Owners do that?".
Answer: More than you think. Shows how much your mentor "upline" taught you about business.
The income of a CEO in a listed company is publicised in newspapers and the internet, as it is public knowledge by law. It is not surprising, because essentially if you want others to believe the business plan, that is what you do. In that circumstance, your income (and with that I mean your whole P & L, not just income) is NOT secret.
Similarly, the income, or for that matter, income and expenses, of private companies, a car wash or a coffee shop, are disclosed in almost all situations where they want others to believe the business plan. That is how the owner of a car wash sells his business, issue shares, sells the idea to others who want to emulate what he's done, or negotiate finance.
Also, as a (real) business owner, whether I want to share my scret with apprentices or not, I can assure you there is no way I (or anyone one else in my situation) will accept mentorship (upline esque advice) from another, without knowing their Profit & Loss..
(Sigh) Dunno why I wrote this, I doubt I will get through.
What monthly income are you talking about? A check for ten dollars after you've spent 300 dollars on tools and unsaleable products? Get real, Alessandro.
Why do people ask how much do you make, it's none of your business.
How much do you make when I sell your products, I have a idea. Why don't you sell a ton first and then find out for yourself.
Our young people don't understand the meaning of hard work. They only ask how much do I get paid and how much vacation do I get, then never show up to work on time or they always leave early. If you hit your goal / numbers then fine go home early, but remember then your funnel goes dry. It takes 3 to 5 years before you really start to make money, and 3 to 5 years of hard work. Once you do that and are not successful, find another line of work, and do something different.
You have every right to ask and expect an answer as to how much someone makes when they are recruiting you into a business opportunity. A business opportunity in which they will make profits off your efforts simply because they signed up before you.
It's very mush your business and it's a part of doing to due diligence before getting involved in a business.
Anonymous said, "Why do people ask how much do you make, it's none of your business."
This is a false association. There are cultural norms in the Northwest that suggest it is somehow "rude" to inquire about someone else's pay during table top discussions. I'm not sure where that started, but it is known to keep money, politics, and work out of social gatherings. However, if you are being propositioned to work for a company, then you have every RIGHT and DUTY to know the money potential. It would be a great disservice to yourself to blindly invest your time and/or money into something without any goals or expectations for results.
Again, there is a clear distinction between knowing about money in a casual conversation and knowing about money when being offered an opportunity in a particular business you are potentially joining.
Anonymous said, "How much do you make when I sell your products, I have a idea. Why don't you sell a ton first and then find out for yourself."
Aside from the bad English, this whole point is flawed. Nobody intelligent would go and do something without a reasonable understanding of what they will get in return. Would it make sense for me to say, go learn everything about face masks before telling you there is no demand for that expertise? (Rhetorical question, of course not) The same goes for buying a whole bunch of products without knowing whether you can sell them, and if you will even make any money. I would suggest tuning into shark tank, because they have some basic business principles you should learn.
Anonymous said, "Our young people don't understand the meaning of hard work. They only ask how much do I get paid and how much vacation do I get, then never show up to work on time or they always leave early."
This has nothing to with MLM! For the record, it is important to know how much you will make and what kind of benefits you will receive (with MLM both result in a big fat 0), but this has nothing to do with this conversation.
Anonymous said, "If you hit your goal / numbers then fine go home early, but remember then your funnel goes dry. It takes 3 to 5 years before you really start to make money, and 3 to 5 years of hard work. Once you do that and are not successful, find another line of work, and do something different."
WRONG! This is a definite WTF moment...There is no "goal / numbers" in MLM. The goal is infinity and the numbers are never ending because of the outrageous churn rate mixed with the necessity to have people below you to generate an income. This statement is unbelievably misleading and does not describe MLM at all.
How would you know how long it takes to be successful if you haven't hit that level of success yet? This stupid 2-5 or 3-5 year rule, whichever is the flavor of the day, has been completely debunked an is just stupid programmed bovine excrement (BS). Nobody knows how long it takes for each individual to be successful, but there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to suggest that is even an average amount of time to be successful in MLM. If someone feeds you this line of garbage, then you should run for the doors immediately because they are talking out of their behinds!
I've held and seen copy's of 250K plus in bonus from my up line. It's a multi-billion dollar corporation. People win in Amway. There's average people in every single variable in life
People win in Amway?
When Amway's own literature admits that 99% of IBOs don't make a profit?
What planet are you from, buddy?
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