Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Amway And Integrity?

I used to follow the blog of a WWDB IBO named "Shaun". He ran the blog called "Expeditions Of Truth" http://expeditionoftruths.com/. Shaun recently disappeared. I'm fairly certain his Amway business has now gone dormant or belly up. He was a fired up IBO in 2009 and I'm sure he had dreams of going diamond and retiring early, based on his blog posts. I do wish him well.

Shaun seemed to think that not only is he in business with people full of integrity, he also thought that he was going to retire in November 2011. Is this now July 2014. I'm sure Shaun would have kept his blog running and would have posted any significant success stories. But back to integrity. While I think doing business with people of integrity is a good thing, I also know of many successful people in business who are ruthless. So are Amway and in particular, WWDB people full of integrty or are they just as ruthless as other business people? Does it matter? In my opinion, it doesn't matter except for the fact that WWDB people seem to think that they have integrity filled leaders. What if a guy was some punk and got recruited into Amway and WWDB, does he suddenly have integrity> Think about that one for a while.

Well, lets look at some of these Amway/WWDB leaders. Back in the 1990's, the current batch of WWDB leaders swore that nobody made a profit on tools. Nobody knew the truth at the time. We now know that this was a lie. Is this integrity? We know that Triple Diamond Greg Duncan was in chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings. Not paying for your obligations is integrity? We know that Greg Duncan and David Shores had homes foreclosed (Public information). Is that a move filled with integrity? With the tons of money Duncan and Shores make, couldn't they have made an effort to pay off their debts?

If you look at a blog linked to this one "Rocket's Rants", there's a youtube video of "crown" Brad Duncan telling rank and file IBOs that they can make "hundreds of thousands of dollars" a month. First of all, I wonder if Brad Duncan has achieved this himself, let alone any others? Even if someone had achieved it, it would be illegal or unethical to portray that kind of success as achieveable to a prospect. Is this integrity? To lead someone onto expectations that will not be fulfilled?

Former Amway/WWDB leader Brad Wolgamott used to talk about how WWDB had a low divorce rate. Is it full on integrity for WWDB leaders to seperate or divorce when they talk about integrity and how Amway and WWDB saves marriages? What about Dean Kosage? Another divorcee? Are they full of integrity? What say you Shaun Guthrie of WWDB? What about Howie Danzik whose website doesn't mention that he was once married to Susan? Is it integrity to say you built the business as a single when Howie previously built the business with his former wife? IBOs may counter argue that these leaders are human. And that's true. But leaders who lie are not laden with integrity.

Amway's owner Rich DeVos ackowledged that the "tools" were likely a pyramid scam and Amway did nothing after sales dropped following some attempts to clean it up. Is that an integrity move? I don't know but
it sure seems as if WWDB and Amway have issues where integrity is concerned. One of the things our diamond leaders once said that evil will rule where good men stand and do nothing. Seems that is the case here. While Amway, at least on the surface has made some attempts to clean up some problems, I have yet to see any significant leaders booted out, or stories of discipline exacted. I question this because some of the same issues still pop up on the internet.

So if you hear stories of integrity, stop and think about what it really means.


Anonymous said...

I Dont see David shores name on success stories at wwdb.com. Wonder what happen to him? All the people u mentioned are sleazeball. That's the qualifications u need to be successful in this scam

Joecool said...

Shores may have fallen out of qualification. I wonder if he's still speaking and collecting tool money?

Anonymous said...

I have no clue. Just see the diamond list on wwdb shrinking. People who are new in this have no clue.

Joecool said...

WWDB at least in the US is shrinking. Many diamonds have left and some are probably not qualified anymore. I think I've seen only one new WWDB diamond couple in a while and they were in Canada.

Anonymous said...

You would think if its the best business opportunity in the world. The leaders would not leave and not qualify. Maybe the next diamond in wwdb north america will be 20 yes from now

Anonymous said...

That was several years ag. They were in Ada with me when i went

Joecool said...

WWDB has news diamonds but I don't think they were from the US. I believe the US market is mature and starting to saturate.