Friday, March 27, 2020

Stay Safe?

I live in Hawaii and our covid 19 cases have reached 120 as of this writing.  If you are involved in Amway, consider taking a break and following the directions of your government leaders.  Do not take unnecessary risk in the name of recruiting downline.   Stay home and do not contribute to the problem.

If your upline is scheduling functions online and charging you, don’t you wonder why you would need to pay when a conference call or online meeting such as using an app would be free and you can’t use the teaching as many states such as mine are in lock down mode where we are only allowed to be our for work, or to get food or to go to medical appointments.

People are being fined for being out and about fir no reason.  You can’t run an Amway business the way things are now.  Stay home and stay safe.  Save your money and think twice before paying your upline for a conference that can be run fir free.  Sure you can argue that they need to get paid fir their time but the question is why they are trying to squeeze money from their down line in a tight economy and a possible looming recession.

Stay safe physically and financially!   😃

Sunday, March 22, 2020

The Nerve?

I just wrote a blog post about Amway and covid 19.  People are being mandated to stay home and to practice social distancing which us probably killing Amway IBOs and their ability to recruit and attempt to sell products.  Travel is being restricted and in Hawaii where I live, visitors will soon be quarantined for two weeks upon landing and many places are closed and restaurants are limited to take out orders only.  

In Hawaii, we are a tourist based economy so many people are being laid off or having reduced hours of work.  We and the rest of the country will be hurting and people will likely take time to recover financially from the carnage of covid 19 and that’s not including the stock market.  Because I’m already retired, my retirement portfolio was in high yield bonds and guaranteed interest accounts but many likely lost a small fortune due to the volatile stock market.

But what ticks me off is hearing that the diamonds are still trying to hold functions with a live stream which basically costs nothing but apparently are charging the full function price.  They have their nerve if they are doing this.  They allegedly make bank as diamonds but have the gall to try and extract cash from down line by running bull shit functions that are highly unlikely to help downline IBOs to make any money.  What a joke.

Amway IBOs and prospects, if you read this and still pay for a useless function, ask your upline diamond why they don’t do this fir free since they make money off downline business.  Why don’t they do this free all the time since downline would have more cash fir Amway products.  But they won’t answer or do any free functions as diamonds are very likely dependent on function money to survive.  Take that to the bank.

Thursday, March 19, 2020

Amway And Covid 19?

I recently went to my doctor for a routine check up.  He told me basically that the corona virus is just thus years version of influenza or the flu.  But because the media has sensationalized it, it has become a disaster fir people and world wide economies.  I don’t believe that covid 19 is any worse than the swine flu that we had sone years back.  Joecool has used the opportunity to purchase great stocks at low prices.

But how will this affect IBOS?   They mostly do business person to person which might become challenging with social distancing being practiced.  Also, how will the uplines line their pockets without the ability to have large meetings and conventions.  Not that I feel sorry fir the crooked upline but I wonder what pitch is being used to extract cash from downline without the ability to hold functions?   How will IBOS recruit without the ability to sit down fir coffee?  At least in Hawaii, restaurants and places like Star Bucks only have take out options.

Now to be honest I don’t wNt people’s jobs to be affected so I have been eating out daily to support local business.  I don’t want IBOS to have their employment affected but I hope that upline doesn’t push some shameless s am to extract cash from their down line due to the covid 19 restrictions.  If anyone knows of any hair brained schemes by upline, let me know so I can investigate and possibly publish an article about it here.

Stay safe and I hope this mess gets sorted out soon!  

Tuesday, March 17, 2020

Amway Should Be Booming?

With the covid 19 virus trashing the stock market and local economies, there is fear and uncertainty sweeping the US and many other countries.   In Hawaii, it’s getting difficult to find anti bacterial and other cleaning supplies such as bleach and disinfecting wipes and the like.  Everyone is doing what they can to stay clean and avoid catching the virus themselves.  I can’t say I blame them.

But is Amway booming as they sell many household and cleaning products?  Are IBOS up to their ears in orders for these products?  My guess is no.  You would think IBOS would be able to capitalize on such a golden opportunity to prosper.  But then again, many IBOS just buy from themselves and try to recruit others into the scheme.  Thus sales are an afterthought and not a priority.

I hope that people remain calm, use common sense and be abad to recover and prosper quickly from all of this mess.  In the meantime, I wish everyone well and hope you all stay safe and virus free.

P.S.  regarding the comment on Anna’s blog, I do not currently have contact information for her.  I have also had difficulty with comments here but it appears that the problems are with mobile devices.  I will try to get the worked out.

Stay safe everyone!

Sunday, March 15, 2020

The Problem With Amway?

The reason why (In My Opinion) so many Amway IBOs fail despite being motivated is because the Amway business is fraught with so many obstacles and handicaps.  I'm in my 50's (and retired no thanks to Amway) but I could beat the fastest runner in the world in the 100 meter dash if he had to run 100 meters and I only need to run 30 meters.  I'm not in his class but if I have a big enough handicap, even the fastest man in the world cannot overcome it.  It's like the Amway business.

Let me elaborate in simple language.  Amway products are generic in name and quality but come with premium prices.  Add the bad name reputation that Amway carries and it's easy to see why the vast majority of Amway IBOs fail.  Also keep mind that Amway's multi tiered system is designed to have few winners.  Take the common 6-4-2 plan or some similar version.  It has a bunch of rank and file IBOs with one platinum.  Then they say duplicate that 6 times and you're a diamond.  Sounds simple and easy until you try to actually do it.

The 100 PV is difficult because unless you're a great sales person, consuming that much volume of household products is difficult and often leads to overspending to reach the defacto quota.  Most IBOs self consume because they are taught to do so and they often wind up overspending to reach that 100 PV.  But you must do it so your downline can copy you right?  What BS which brings up my next point.

IBOs are systematically drained of their money by the upline in the form of voicemail, books, standing orders and functions/meetings.   The system is ineffective and the system does not and cannot produce any more success than the 1 out of approximately 100 that is shown in many plans.  Imagine that, you can be in the top 10% of IBOs and you are likely to lose money month after month.  Its because the Amway system is designed that way.   It wouldn't be so bad if not for the blood sucking upline advising people to spend (They call it investing) on their Amway education.

Thus in the end, paying premium prices for generic products and basically working with a company with a bad reputation is already a massive handicap but when you factor in the cost of the upline system of voicemail (who needs voicemail anymore to begin with???), standing orders and audios, books, functions and meetings plus gas and other related expenses and you wind up with the scenario I described in the beginning of this post.  You can be the fastest man on earth but if you give me a 70 meter head start in a 100 meter race, I will win all the time.  In this case the IBOs are the fastest man on earth while Amway is the one with the head start.

That's the entire problem with Amway in my view.  In my numerous years of blogging, not one IBO or prospect has proven me wrong.  Also, not a single IBO who shot off his/her mouth on this blog has ever returned to claim they went platinum or diamond.   Gee, I wonder why that is??

Thursday, March 12, 2020

Amway Is Not A Gamble?

I’ve seen and heard many debates about Amway and one interesting discussion was about Amway and gambling and the odds of success.  The Amway defenders were quick to point out that Amway is not a game of chance and hard work is required to succeed.   But let’s look beyond those simple and obvious arguments.

If Amway is not a game of chance, then it is possibly the most difficult business in the world to succeed in.   That’s because millions or tens of millions have put forth a lot of time, effort and money into their Amway business only to end up with a net loss.   Amway’s own financial disclosures confirm this.   Now I didn’t go digging for the most recent figures but Amway’s own stats showed that about 1/4 of one percent of IBOS go platinum.  That’s the level where dedicated IBOS allegedly break even or begin to make a profit although many IBOs go platinum but do not requalify for that level again.

So based on information that Amway discloses, you have about a small fraction of one percent of breaking even or making money in Amway.  And I repeat the Amway defender’s line that Amway is not a game of chance.  Who in the world would want to join a business where you have less chance to succeed than a game of chance?  Seriously?  If I flip a coin, I have a fifty percent chance of calling the correct outcome of heads or tails.

Even most games in Las Vegas gives you close to a 50 percent chance of winning.  Certain games such as black jack can actually favor the player depending on the level of skill.  Now I’m not advocating gambling as a good way to make an income but I’m just illustrating how difficult it can be to succeed in Amway.

More food for thought:  Vegas builds new hotels and attractions on the losses from losing gamblers.  However, most gamblers enjoy gaming knowing they are likely to lose but with a chance to win.  Amway diamonds enjoy the diamond lifestyle by selling cds/audios and functions while encouraging downline to move more PV but in the mean time, the down lines are losing money month after month with little chance of even getting small jackpots along the way.  The sad part is that Amway is not a game of chance.  At least gambling doesn’t require hard work.

Wednesday, March 11, 2020

The Solution To a Failing Business?

I just shake my head when I read about the kinds of advice that Amway IBOS receive from their trusted mentors and upline.   Now let me say that I would have nothing to criticize if diwnljnes were regularly progressing and moving up the ranks and actually making money.  But it’s obvious that most IBOS are spinning their wheels getting nowhere and the only advice that upline seemingly gives  is to spend more money on functions and tools that are already proven to be ineffective.

When most real business owners are cutting expenses or looking at strategies to bring in more revenue, Amway IBOS and uplines are advising people to spend more money on activities that don’t make them money.  Why not just get a pile of cash and burn it?  The result would be the same.  Keep in mind that the upline profits from the sale of tools and functions so it seems pretty dubious that upline would advise struggling fir lives to spend more time and money in things that haven’t worked in the first place.  

What is the real solution to a failing business?  I can’t tell you that but I can tell you that spending more money on things that do not result in more sales and profits is not the solution.  Most dedicated IBOs lose money because of the tools and functions which are not effective in helping IBOS become profitable.  What makes it more insidious is that uplines profit nicely for giving downlinex bad
advice even if their bad advice results in bigger losses.

When it comes to Amway, it seems apparent to me that the only logical solution is to walk away, seek refunds on whatever you can and find another activity to make some income. Sitting at home watching TV is more profitable to most IBOS that actively trying to run an Amway business.

Tuesday, March 10, 2020

Owning A Business?

Amway IBOS call themselves business owners but they seemingly know so little about business.  Their knowledge is often clouded by the BS they are fed by their all knowing upline.  Ironically, many IBOS refer to upline as mentors or coaches.  They see nothing wrong with the massive failures that upline produces and most don’t seem to think it’s a problem that many IBOS blame themselves despite following the paid fir arise that they received from upline.

Fir example the upline may sell them on an Amway business by pitching the low cost and low overhead only to have upline later tell them that they need to invest in Amway like any other business.  They are told that Amway can give them quick profits but when those profits don’t materialize they are told that business owners often spend 5 years without making net profits.

The reason why IBOS fall for the upline BS is because they really know little to nothing about actually owning and running a business .  They fall for the upline’s faulty advice and although many make an earnest effort to build their business, Amway is flawed and the upline advice is ineffective and flawed as well,  sadly, the expenses of running an Amway business and the cost of the system can quickly turn into losses of thousands of dollars or tens of thousands and more, depending on the level of dedication.

The way to get around this is for IBOS to track their income and expenses very closely and to run a profit loss analysis weekly or at least monthly.  If there are no real prospects to increase income or reduce expenses, there is no point in continuing to run an Amway business.   If you attend functions, is there a direct relationship between attendance and increased business income?  If not then why attend?  Same goes for other tools such as standing orders.

Quitting Amway is a good business decision if there are no profits and no concrete measurable plans to make a profit. Isn’t profit the reason you started an Amway business in the first place.

Friday, March 6, 2020

The Partner Store Myth?

One of the interesting things that Amway IBOS like to claim us how Amway partners with big name companies like Disney or Nike.  But that’s like saying 7-11 is partnered with CocaCola because 7-11 sells their product.  It’s the same as Amway IBOS.  They might have Nike or Disney products in their  catalogs but calling it a partnership is a stretch.  It’s not like you can buy Amway stuff at Disneyland or Nike town.  That would be a partnership wheee each company sells each other’s products.

Instead, Amway IBOS get to hawk products for these “partner” stores but strictly on a commission only basis.  It’s a great deal to have Amway IBOS sell your stuff for commission only and no fringe benefits.   The “partner” store has nothing to lose.  It’s like having access to a fleet of free sales people who only get paid a little if they sell product but receive nothing unless volume is actually moved.

What Amway folks don’t like to talk about is how Enron and MCI Worldcim were also Amway partners at one time.  IMO, a scam partnering with a scam.  LOL.  So basically the partner program for Amway IBOS is like unrequited love.  In other words it’s all one sided.

In the end, the partner concept might in name bring some credibility to the IBOS story when prospecting new recruits but in the end, you still need to deal with the Amway name and reputation.  Selling a few Nike or Disney products in the Amway catalogs doesn’t make Amway a better business opportunity nor does it tend to make IBOS any more profitable, nor does it make an IBO more likely to succeed.  The partner store concept is just a nice talking point and nothing more.  LOL. 😃

Wednesday, March 4, 2020

Is Amway A Cult

Many people who have attended or seen an Amway convention have at times compared the experience to a cult.  While an Amway convention might not be an actual cult, there are many similarities in which a gathering of IBOS can be considered very cult like.  There are certain parameters that IBOS adhere to that make Amway seem eerily cult like.

They seem to worship the leader.  The diamond is like a rock star and is given adulation, standing ovations when they enter a room, and Amway IBOS will practically take a bullet for their upline diamond.  People literally line up and even move extra Amway products fir the privilege of driving the diamond to a meeting or to spend an hour with the diamond.   I recall as an IBO having to meet a qualification in order to attend a picnic with the upline diamond.

At meetings you’d think the diamond walked on water with the way the IBOS would serve them hand and foot as if they were divine beings, and at a minimum, the diamonds were treated like royalty or celebrities.  Additionally, IBOS dress alike, act alike and act terribly predictable.  It’s almost humorous when you see it happening.

The IBOS all have a common goal if financial freedom even if no one seemingly achieves it.  They assume that the diamond is wealthy beyond belief even though nobody really knows what the diamonds net worth actually is.  All I know is that diamonds are always working while normal folks eventually retire when they are older.

Is Amway and the related groups such as WWDB a bunch of cults and cultists?  I don’t really know but I do know that they have many cult like characteristics.  Although you can come and go, there is peer pressure to not leave the group.  The similarities are uncanny.

Tuesday, March 3, 2020

Buy From Yourself?

Buy from yourself us a common teaching spread amongst Amway IBOS and while it makes sense to support your own business, the way it’s taught in Amway almost sounds retarded to a neutral observer.  The idea is to be your own best customer and that a McDonalds owner would not eat at Burger King.   It might sound sensible but in the bigger picture of business, it’s lame.

Nobody ever ran a successful business without real customers.  It might help to support your own business but no matter how much you buy, in the end, all the buyers are just customers of Amway.  So but all you want, Amway appreciates you.  In this sense, you’re just as much of a business owner as someone using a cash back credit card.  The difference is that a cash back card has no minimum quota like Amway and there is no training and functions needed for using a cash back credit card.

Also, the notion that one business owner would not patronize a competitor is silly.  I know people who own food establishments and they frequent other eating places on a regular basis because they get to try new things and see what their competitors are doing.  It’s silly to think that a McDonalds owner will only eat Big Macs the rest of his or her life.

The bottom line is you need a lot of real customers who make purchases in order to make profits and to be able to capitalize on Amway’s bonus scale.   Buying from yourself creates no profit and the fact that you support your business only puts profit in Amway’s coffers.  You think you profit buying from yourself is profitable because upline has fed you thus false doctrine.  When you buy from Amway, they profit and any perceived profit that you made really cane out of your own pocket, much like transferring money from your checking to savings and calling the transfer a profit.

If your upline us teaching this hoax of buying from yourself, read this article again and think twice before paying fir anymore of this type of ridiculous advice.   😃

Sunday, March 1, 2020

Fake It But Never Make It?

My upline used to tell the audience to fake it till you make it.  In other words to give the appearance of success to prospects until you actually become successful.  In other words put on a phony show in the hopes that you will be able to attract potential downline who would duplicate your efforts.  On the surface this may sound like a good idea but the bottom line is you are deceiving people that you hope to do business with,

If someone attracted me to a business under fake pretenses, it’s typically called fraud but Amway IBOS get away with it because they generally recruit friends and family who are unlikely to complain    or file any complaints.  The idea is to appear successful even if you’re not.  Sadly fir IBOS, putting up the appearance of success can be costly as you may be wearing a nice suit and watch while you live in debt and paycheck to paycheck.

Thus practice also contributes to Amway’s bad reputation as people eventually realize they may have been duped or mislead about the opportunity.  Add in the bad taste many people get from having wasted time and money on tools and functions and you can see how people can exit Amway feeling like they hit shysted or tricked by someone  they may have trusted.

Add in the fact that there is no true natural progression towards any true success and all you have is an Amway trail littered with dead bodies of people who may have tried to succeed only to fail and lose money.  But failure is not on the IBOS necessarily, because the Amway multi tiered system is designed to have a few ‘pins’ while the vast majority flounder in mediocrity and financial losses.  The outcome is easily predictable and expected to the trained observer.

Until then, Amway IBOs and uplines continue to prey on the hopes and dreams of hopeful people.  People who want to hope and believe that Amway is a shortcut to riches and early retirement.  Sadly it appears that Amway is the opposite.

Wednesday, February 26, 2020

What’s Your Bottom Line?

Sadly, I recently discovered that one of my friend’s adult kids have joined an MLM.  While it’s not Amway, the pitch is pretty much the same.  Buy the products, sell the products, and recruit like minded people to duplicate what you do.  It was eerily similar to Amway in that you are purchasing highly overpriced and likely overrated nutritional products.

I was not shown the compensation plan but more than likely, the rank and file distributors earn little and layers and layers of upline take the lion’s share of whatever bonus is generated by personal consumption and whatever customer sales that may occur.  Based on the prices I observed, I would guess that mainly sympathetic family and friends are the only ones making purchases to show support for the kids.

Now training and functions seemed to have been a part of the overall package although the distributors did not wear business attire to meetings.  But one common denominator was that the kids did not know what I meant when I queried them about profits and losses, as if I spoke in a foreign tongue.  I said surely a business owner tracks expenditures and income.  When it sounded like they didn’t understand what I was getting at, I asked what their bottom line looked like.

So I went on to explain that each week or month, they should be adding up all if their expenses and all of their income.  If the expenses exceed the income more often than not, then they are running a lose money business and need to determine how to adjust their actions to lower expenses and make more income,   It had not occurred to them that they should do this.  So like Amway and probably other MLMS, their financial guru uplines don’t teach business 101 to their down lines.

Uplines don’t teach their followers about the bottom line because the bottom line is bolded red ink.

Tuesday, February 25, 2020

The Standing Ovation?

One of the weird things I observed about Amway IBOS is how they worship the diamond as if he is some kind of divine being.  When you look at it logically, what has the diamond done to deserve such adulation?   The diamond qualified for the pin one time and possibly one time only.  Heck, Joecool was a 4000 pin.   Does that mean new IBOS should take counsel from me since I achieved a fairly high level?  Even if I’m not currently qualified?

Amway doesn’t say which diamonds are still qualified so nobody really knows.  And that is why you see former copies of bonus checks as evidence of success.  A current copy of a check would be better but still would not indicate what kinds of expenses that diamond had.

A good example would be my WWDB upline diamond who probably qualified diamond in the 1980’s.  Back then there was no internet and the business was very different than it is today.  That diamond also filed fir chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2009 or so but is still revered as having superior financial acumen.  But based on what track record?

Fir some reason the audiences just assume that the diamond is successful and wealthy without really knowing the financial status of these leaders.   Fir all we know these diamonds are paying mortgages and in debt like the rest of the US population.  Why would it be any different when these diamonds show off a lifestyle of excess and even encourage IBOS to get into debt to purchase tools and function tickets.  If you ask upline to verify their financial claims you’ll be told it’s none of your business.

If your diamond’s financials are none of your business then you should not consider displays of wealth as any kind of evidence of success.  More likely that diamond lives check to check like much of the rest of the population.  What other conclusion is logical?

Monday, February 24, 2020

My Upline Helps Me?

One of the things that my upline constantly emphasized was how Amway IBOS were helping people and that they were helping us to help people.  Now that sounds so selfless and altruistic on the surface until you step back and take a really close look at the details.  IBOS are often star struck by the upline diamond and often don’t notice that any help they receive from the diamond is help that they pay for in the form of an oboe recruitment meeting, a standing order or a function.  We could debate about how much help you get if you don’t cough up some dollars.

Secondly, do you call it help if you’re paying?   Is the plumber helping me or did I hire him to fix my pipes?   I guess you could call it help but somehow the shine is taken off the coating if you paid for the services.  But the way upline presents it, you’d think they flew or drove fast distances for free when in fact they are handsomely rewarded via honorariums or by other tool sales such as standing orders.

Are you really helping soneone if they sign up only to lose money by following upline advice?   Are you helping a prospect because you truly care about them or do you care more about the potential business that they might represent?  If you would not help them sans Amway then maybe your intentions are not as pure as you think.   I’m pretty sure that upline’s intentions are focused on business potential and nothing more.  To illustrate my point, how much help is given to a prospect who turns down Amway?  Isn’t the saying “some will, some won’t, who cares, next”?   Is that the slogan of soneone who really wants to help soneone?  It sounds conditional to me.

So for those holier than thou Amway folks, is your upline really helping you and prospects or are they being courteous to you and other prospects simply because you represent potential future business to them much like a car salesman?   How much help do you get if you miss functions and don’t buy tools?  I think the answer to this will allow you to conclude the truth about your upline.  They don’t give a crap about you unless you are buying tools.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

Sunday, February 23, 2020


One of the biggest things taught by upline was accountability.  If you said something, then be good to your word and get it done.  Be a man of your word so to speak.  In business that seems to be good common sense and who would want to do business with someone who can’t keep their word.  But it’s all a “do as I say and not as I do” situation with upline.

Upline expects downline to meet their PV defacto quotas and to buy tools and attend all functions and meetings.  After all, business just works out better when everyone keeps their word right?  But what about upline?   Where is their accountability?  They ask you to trust them and invest your time and money into the business and to follow their advice but who holds the upline accountable?  Why does upline seemingly get a pass on their accountability, especially when their advice costs you money?

Seems gray upline somehow skated past accountability by blaming downline for their own failure even if the downline follows the advice down to the last detail.  That’s the sinister part about upline.  They give you advice that you pay for and then blame you if their advice fails.  Think about this, other than feeling pumped up a bit, did any function directly result in more sales or more downline that you sponsored or did the function just leave another hole in your savings account?  Or worse, did you go in debt to attend an ineffective function?

It puzzles me how upline gets paid for their valuable advice but nobody calls out upline when it doesn’t work.  If you buy something at a store and it doesn’t work, you take it back for a refund. If upline advice fails you, why not hold them accountable and ask for your money back.  Surely a wealthy diamond can afford to refund money for ineffective advice?  

Friday, February 21, 2020

All The Motivation You Need?

It seems to me that the Amway business became a never ending series of meetings and rah rah speeches designed to motivate the rank and file IBOS.  I suppose that so much motivation is needed because the vast majority of IBOS are losing money chasing the Amway dream.  But a nice story told by the diamond can get a low ranked IBO to hang in there and attend a few more functions and listen to more audios.  Of course those actions benefit upline more than the IBO.   If IBOS were to just walk away, diamond income would be affected,

But what motivates business people?  How about net profits and having more money at the end of the month than when you started.  I know that would have excited my to be cash positive in Amway.  But because nearly all IBOS are losing money, upline must devise ways to trick people in signing up and then staying on board.  Let me illustrate this:

When being recruited, I was told about how Amway was low overhead and that profits could be made quickly in addition to saving money by using Amway products.  Then after you get in, you’re told that business owners commonly lose money fir a number of years until the business it built.  It becomes an eloquent game of bait and switch for the upline and downline.   Sell them on quick profits and savings and then tell them about being a real business owner with real expenses.  It works because the upline are taught to trust and believe in upline.

The claim is that upline has your best interest at heart.  But I guess one more lie told by upline escapes many rank and file IBOS once they put their hope and trust in the upline.  And it works because people want to believe that 2-5 years of hard work will lead to retirement and financial freedom.  Sadly it usually ends in business losses and additional debt.

Thursday, February 20, 2020

The Tool Scam?

What I didn’t catch right away as an IBO and what many Amway IBOS and prospects don’t notice is that functions and support materials sold by the upline diamond is the real Amway business and the Amway products are actually secondary in many cases.  Think about it, rock stars make their fortunes by selling audios and concerts.  Amway diamonds sell audios and function tickets among other things such as voice mail systems and other materials.

And with food for thought, audios cost cents to produce and a function is similar to a concert.  Another thought for the Amway faithful is this:  are these materials helping you to sell more products and to increase your business income or are these expenses becoming the reason you are losing money in your business?  If you are paying for this training and motivation, then shouldn’t your business be growing each month?  If not, why not?   And if not, why keep paying for ineffective training?   Since the diamonds have much to gain with down line success, why aren’t any of the training sessions free?  I think you get the idea.

Approximately 10 years ago, a triple diamond filed to chapter 7 bankruptcy and the documents were public.  They diamond made just as much from tools and functions as from Amway.  Now you might ask what’s wrong with paying for advice?  Maybe nothing but making payments monthly or weekly for advice should result is some kind of success.  Where is that success or where’s the fruit on the tree, as some diamonds used to say,  the tree is withering and dying apparently.  

It’s very simple.  The diamonds entice people to join by implying test untold wealth and lifestyles can be yours by using and selling Amway stuff and you too can be wealthy if only you will dedicate yourself to following the advice that they can give you.  And that my friends, is the Amway tool scam.

Wednesday, February 19, 2020

The Illusion?

Many people have seen a magic show or an illusionist.  Most people are amazed with the show but at the same time they realize that it’s a show and that you can’t really saw people in half or make an elephant appear out of nowhere.  I believe it’s no different in Amway but so many prospects do not realize that the diamonds are just putting on a show.  They are showing prospects the illusion of wealth.

If you lived next door to an average diamond or did their taxes for them you would likely see right through the facade.  You would see the nice suits and appearances at a function but these diamonds likely go home to middle class houses and an otherwise normal lifestyle.  Potential recruits only see the show and think these folks live a first class lifestyle every day.  Of course it’s hard to sell people on an opportunity if you aren’t showing fancy things and lifestyles.

Let’s say a diamond makes $250k each year and has a wife and two kids.  After taxes and other things such as medical insurance and business expenses a diamond might still have a decent income of perhaps 6-8 thousand per month.  But that kind of income cant purchase homes and sports cars in cash, let alone fabulous vacations.  And if that diamond in a faithful church goer as many claim to be,  10% of their income should be tithed to the church.

So if you sit and carefully consider what I’ve pointed out here, how can a diamond retire and enjoy life knowing that downline are quitting the business daily?  Never mind the thought of actually investing into a IRA for the future.   No, the exalted diamond lifestyle is more than likely very ordinary although you can argue that not having a job is awesome. But as my upline diamond once said, what good is your freedom if you don’t have enough money to do anything you want?  That is likely the case for an average diamond.

Tuesday, February 18, 2020

Why Amway?

I’m actually shocked that the Amway scam is still going on.  That people are still being dazzled with “the dream” and still perpetuating this business with an influx of new recruits.  Not it does seem as if function venues are getting smaller and due to easily available information, people can look into Amway and get enough information to make an informed decision.

But why do Amway in the first place?  The stock market is on an amazing bull run and there are opportunities all over the place.  Anyone willing to work hard and persevere can succeed in the US.  Most Amway recruits seem motivated and willing to work.

But the flaw in many recruits is that that want pixie dust.  In other words they want a short cut to retirement and riches.  Creating wealth takes some time and effort and that is the reality.  Unless you invent some fad or get some kind of lucky break, most people can’t retire until 60 or so.  And that just isn’t sexy.

To Amway recruits, I ask this.  Where are all the Amway retirees?  I know retired fire fighters, police, government employees and banking people but I don’t know any Amway retirees.  Sure, people assume that diamonds are retired and living large but why don’t any of them walk away to enjoy residual wealth?   Instead, diamonds stay on duty until death is so it seems.  That should be serious food for thought fir Amway prospects.  So I ask again.  Why Amway?

Wednesday, February 12, 2020

How You Get Sucked In?

Amway in conversation or on paper in a plan might seem reasonable, logical and sensible but it’s all in the pitch.  The pitch is carefully designed to suck you in.  They’ll say you make money and save money in Amway.  Who doesn’t desire those things?   It makes sense until you realize that you wind up spending more and losing money in Amway.

It also sounds great that you can possibly get wealthy and live the care feee diamond lifestyle.  But who has really taken a good look behind the scenes of a diamond lifestyle?  Fir all we know, diamonds are in debt portraying a rich lifestyle while they might be riddled with debt.  After all, Americans are generally in debt.  Why would a diamond living an excessive lifestyle be exempt from debt?

Where are all these Amway retirees who wake up at noon and play all day?  Do they exist at all?  The math in my opinion says no.  But I will admit that shining off wealth is a good way to suck people into the business opportunity.  Who doesn’t want early retirement and a care free wealthy life?  Sadly the diamond uses this to entice people into investing in a business where failure is nearly assumed but that failure helps to fuel the diamond illusion.

Are done diamonds possibly wealthy?  Sure, but that doesn’t mean rank and file IBOS will sign up and achieve the same results.  And even if you did, are you willing to sucker people into the business so you can profit?  I can’t fathom doing that to anyone so maybe a lack of conscience is a needed trait  to go diamond?  

Monday, February 10, 2020

Building It Right?

When I was at IBO many years ago, I heard the term “build it right”.  I suppose that means you build your business based on parameters that your upline advised.  My business at the time had the correct parameters and I was edified as a qualified “eagle” which meant I had a certain number of down line attending functions and participating in the tools system.  Basically it seemed that building your business right meant your upline diamond was making tool income off your group.

Thus building your business right is more beneficial to your upline than yourself.  Rank and file IBOS do not get to participate in the payout gif tools, only for product volume.  And even product volume rebates are heavily slanted to upline and not to the IBOS who moved the volume.  It is for these reasons that the vast majority of IBOS wind up with financial losses for  their efforts.

Another piece of food for thought is how diamonds quit, fall out of qualification or resign.  Does that mean these diamonds who teach “build it right” were unable to do do themselves?  Why don’t diamonds walk away from Amway to enjoy residual income fir life?  Is it because they too are unable to build it right?  Why do diamonds seemingly die on the job rather than in quiet retirement surrounded by luxuries?

In my opinion it is because the entire business and teaching systems are just a scam and there is no serious way to just build it right.  It’s why the IBO failure rate is high and why diamonds don’t enjoy luxurious retirements.  The diamond lifestyle that’s portrayed at functions is mostly a dig and pony show.

Friday, February 7, 2020

Stealing Dreams?

Some debates over Amway recently churned up some accusations once again about critics being "dream stealers". I thought I would address this but first I wanted to print the definition of a dream from

[dreem] Show IPA noun, verb, dreamed or dreamt, dream⋅ing, adjective 
Use dreams in a Sentence
1. a succession of images, thoughts, or emotions passing through the mind during sleep.
2. the sleeping state in which this occurs. 
3. an object seen in a dream. 
4. an involuntary vision occurring to a person when awake. 
5. a vision voluntarily indulged in while awake; daydream; reverie. 
6. an aspiration; goal; aim: A trip to Europe is his dream. 
7. a wild or vain fancy. 
8. something of an unreal beauty, charm, or excellence. 

–verb (used without object) 9. to have a dream. 
10. to indulge in daydreams or reveries: He dreamed about vacation plans when he should have been working. 
11. to think or conceive of something in a very remote way (usually fol. by of): I wouldn't dream of asking them. 

–verb (used with object) 12. to see or imagine in sleep or in a vision. 
13. to imagine as if in a dream; fancy; suppose. 
14. to pass or spend (time) in dreaming (often fol. by away): to dream away the afternoon.

–adjective 15. most desirable; ideal: a dream vacation. 

—Verb phrase
16. dream up, to form in the imagination; devise: They dreamed up the most impossible plan. 


Based on these definitions, I do not see how it is possible for anyone to steal a dream. This dream stealing verbage is just more upline propaganda designed to get IBOs to shut off their critical thinking skills and to blindly commit themselves to buying more standing orders and function tickets, whose profit goes into the pockets of your beloved upline leaders. It the the upline's concern likely because the upline is selling dreams! Selling unrealistic dreams of retiring and walking the beaches of the world. Dreams that will never come true for the vast majority of IBOs. 

I believe #6 is the most appropriate definition for an IBO. A long term goal. But if an IBO's long term goal is retirement and riches, they should analyze their involvement in the Amway business and determine if that is the appropriate vehicle to achieve their goals. For the vast majority of people, this is not the appropriate vehicle and facts confirm this. It's a matter of whether or not an IBO was told to ignore the facts by his/her upline.

Tuesday, February 4, 2020

But My Upline Diamond Is Rich!

Serious question for Amway IBOS.  How would you know?  Does your diamond let you see tax returns or bank balances?  Or do you simply assume that the diamond is rich because they are on stage talking big and showing you pictures of nice cars and jones?  I can stand on stage in a suit and do the same thing.  But for some reason, IBOS just blindly believe because we’ll, they want to believe.  They need to believe that 2-5 years of work can result in fabulous wealth and early retirement.

Without the hope that the diamond dream provides, there would be no good reason for anyone to join Amway.  Who would want to peddle household goods at premium prices if not for a big reward as the  end goal.  People wasn’t to believe that they can achieve the same things as the diamond.  I was an IBO at one time and there’s no way I would join if a middle class lifestyle was the goal.  And that’s where the scam is played out by the upline.

Join Amway and felt rich.  A few years of work and dedication will get it done.  I the diamond have the secret to success and achieving diamond but you must subscribe to my system of audios and functions so I can teach you these secrets.  In the meantime the diamond is making his bank from selling audios and function tickets while nearly all down line are losing money because of the cost of the training that does not work.

For the IBOS and prospects who think the upline diamond is rich beyond belief, I ask this question.  How in the world would you know?

Monday, February 3, 2020

Doomed From The Start?

So many people join Amway with high hopes and dreams.  It’s no wonder considering how the recruitment meetings go.  Prospects are filled with delusions of untold wealth and retiring at the age of 29.  They are shown displays of wealth from the diamonds who allegedly live a jet set lifestyle with money just rolling in.

I believe a look at reality would be bad for recruiting new people into Amway so they are shown glimpses of wealth that the diamonds allegedly have obtained from the Amway businesses.  But when you study Amway’s own disclosures, you’ll see that diamonds might make a decent income of perhaps 100 to 200k annually but that is gross income.  Taxes, medical coverage and business expenses likely eat up a lot if a diamond’s income, leaving them in debt like most Americans or perhaps a middle class lifestyle at best.

Again, do the math yourself and it’s hard to reach any other conclusion.  Imagine a family of four with a gross income of $200k.  After taxes, medical coverage, and business expenses, it East to see that they aren’t buying mansions with cash payments.  They likely aren’t even buying a nice car in cash.  Sure, some tenured long time double diamonds might have a nice life but these are the exceptions and not the rule.

If not, why is my former diamond (Harimoti) still only a diamond more than 20 years since I left Amway?  I even heard that he fell back to emerald for a while which raises sustainability questions.

The truth is that most IBOS are doomed from the start.  They peddle average products at premium prices.  They also have negative cash flow because of the inefficient training system.  Just because a few new people manage to achieve higher levels doesn’t change the fact that more than 99% of all IBOS make nothing or lose money, because they are doomed from the start.

Saturday, February 1, 2020

Ask Upline?

One of the really weird things I experienced in Amway was this concept of checking upline.  Sure as a newbie your upline will be reasonable and flexible but once you start to get committed to the system, it starts to become cult like in some ways.  Many former IBOS have confirmed this experience and it seems pretty common.  It sounds strange to a passer by but thus really goes on in the world of Amway.

I recall being an up and coming IBO and I was getting accolades and getting some time to spend with the upline diamond. It seemed cool but as I look back I think WTH?  My upline sponsor started to teach about submission to upline and that any life or business decision should first be consulted with up line.  I thought why should I ask permission to buy a new car or to get married as if upline were my parents who were still supporting me or something.

But when I figured out the scam it made sense.  Upline very likely wanted to make sure that you had enough cash flow to buy standing orders and function tickers because that was their livelihood.  If you bought a new car, you might not be able to afford functions.  If you had a child, maybe you couldn’t attend functions.  It’s scary to think that the trusted upline would be so insidious but that because crystal clear to me eventually.

So you see folks, upline might verbally say they care about you and want your success but what they really want is to ensure that their income from standing orders and functions keeps flowing without interruption.  Think about it and do the math.  I can’t see any other reasonable conclusion.

Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Amway And Lying?

How many times have I seen or heard of IBOS lying or trying to trick someone into seeing a plan or trying to get someone interested in Amway.  It almost becomes comical when you see tired old lines being used.  I used to call it tapespeak because most likely the IBO heard it at a meeting or function or on a tape or audio of some sort.

What is amazing is how some IBOS and their leaders can think that deceiving a prospect is a good idea.  In the long term it’s bad for business and significantly affects the Amway reputation in a negative way.  I mean who wants to join up in business with people who lied to you?  And for that matter, the same can be said if Amway apologists who also lie or tell half truths to defend Amway.

But the reason for lies, half truths, deception and other strategies is because the truth about Amway just isn’t pretty.  You can put lipstick on a pig but in the end it’s still a pig.  You can fluff up Amway and the opportunity but in the end, about half of all IBOS do nothing and 99% of IBOs or more make nothing or lose money.  Factor in expenses for tools and functions and time spent and Amway becomes a financial disaster for many.

If you’re an IBO, be honest with yourself.  Do you use the curiosity approach or leave out some information in the hopes of attracting people to the plan?  Do you fake success as advised by upline?  Do you hide the name Amway unless asked first?  If so, you are part of the problem and not the solution.  

Sunday, January 26, 2020

Amway? LOL!

If I got paid fir each time some IBO came here shooting off their mouths I’d be Uber wealthy!  How many times have I heard that I’ll be sorry and in a few months some newbie will be retired at the age of 29 making 10k per month or more?   How many times have I heard that so and so will be diamond and will be back to rub it in my face.   Well, I’m still standing and waiting.

I recall a newbie Amway IBO offering me a wager that his diamond makes more money while taking a crap in the morning than I make all year.  When I showed the math, that IBO disappeared never to be heard from again.  What many folks don’t get is that many diamonds don’t make that much money and even if they have a nice income, they likely make much of it from selling function tickets and standing orders.  

Also, a diamond lifestyle if you will, is a life of excess that likely has many diamonds living check to check and possibly living in debt themselves.  Do the math yourself.  Try and look how much it costs to fly first class for a family of four.  Are speaking fees so lucrative that diamond families fly first class all the time?  The math says no.

I’ve also heard reports of big pins living in below average neighborhoods and there were some diamonds who had homes foreclosed and one triple diamond who filed chapter 7 bankruptcy some years ago.  As information is easier to get, I’ve also heard about Amway functions getting smaller and groups shrinking.  That means the diamond lifestyle is even harder to maintain than ever.  I wish I could say I feel sorry for the diamonds but all I can say is LOL.   😃

Friday, January 24, 2020

Amway and Lawsuits?

Someone recently left a comment on this blog about how Amway defenders would often threaten to sue Amway critics.   It is true and I was threatened and harassed at one time by zealous Amway defenders because they claimed that I was damaging their business or that a prospect read my blog and decided not to join.  I had to LOL at that.  Amway zealots would never try to sue a critic for the following reasons:

The discovery process would likely get them laughed out of court or their case would be so weak that the courts would toss the case.  I am only sharing my experiences on this blog and my informed opinions.  I have a right to free speech as do others who have an opinion about Amway, good or bad.  Also, some of the facts I refer to com from so what is there to dispute?  It’s a fact that most IBOs do little or nothing which leads to my next point.

How would someone prove damages when most IBOs do nothing?   How could zero potential business add up to damages?  Also, most prospects don’t sign up but it’s for various reasons and not because of some blog about Amway?    Many people know others who had bad experiences and word of mouth advertising is pretty powerful.   How about stats from Amway that show a tiny fraction of 1% reach any levels that might be profitable?  

How many IBIs have come and gone from this very blog shooting off their mouths about going diamond only to be never heard from again shortly after?  Yet here is Joecool continuing to post articles so Amway information seekers can gain a perspective from people who participated in Amway, achieved some degree of success and were let down by upline assurances of success.  I have nothing to gain and receive no compensation for running this blog.  I do it as a public service.

Comments are welcome!   😃

Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Be Accountable?

 Being accountable was one of the key teaching back in my Amway IBO days.  That you needed to keep your word and do what you said you would.   For the most part this sounds like a good thing, especially in business.  Right?     Be a man of your word.  But like much of Amway it sounds good until you try to apply it.

For one thing, the up line who teaches this doctrine aren’t held accountable.   Where’s the fruit on the tree and trail of success?   Why don’t goops and functions lead to more sales and results?  Why do IBOs who do as they are told but fail get the blame?   Where is up line when this happens?  Up line. Sure is quick to take credit and pat themselves on the back.

Another issue is that some things that an IBO is expected to do is out of their immediate control and there are bumps in the road caused by the Amway reputation such as negativity.  You can’t force people to see the plan, sign up or buy Amway stuff but it’s part of upline expectations if you want to succeed.   Miss a few of these vital steps and suddenly a promising young IBO is a failure who has nobody to blame but himself.  

So I ask, where is the upline accountably?   The system doesn’t churn out the results and expectations that are shown in recruitment meetings.   Who is accountable for that?  The downline?  I don’t think so.  😩

Friday, January 17, 2020

Blame Yourself, Not Amway?

One of the things Amway IBOs are taught by their "great" diamond leaders is to blame themselves for not working the business hard enough or not doing things exactly right, even if they do exactly as upline advised. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Many people put forth tremendous effort but still do not succeed.  But uplines want to be absolved from any responsibility so they teach downline that failure in Amway is their own (The downline's) fault. Upline however, is quick to take credit for any success, even if minimal.  

But the reason is why hard work doesn't equal success is because an Amway IBO is basically a commissioned sales person. In commissioned sales, one can work hard for no reward and at times, little effort may reap large rewards. But in Amway, with a crappy reputation, Amway IBOs are given a handicap that most simply cannot overcome. Getting new people to recruitment meetings is hard enough, not even factoring in the abililty to sponsor others. When factoring in these tidbits, it's easy to see why uplines teach buy from yourself and selling is not important. It deflects the fact that selling is nearly impossible with less than competitive prices (in general)

Additionally, IBOs are encouraged to join the "system" such as WWDB, LTD, N21, etc.  The system costs money and teaches IBOs to engage is many non income producing activities such as attending countless meetings and functions that do not result in increased sales volume.  Imagine a store owner whose store was constantly closed so the owner could meet with other owners and/or someone who encourages them to do things that don't produce sales volume.  That store owner would fail, which is what at least 99+% of Amway IBOs do. 

The work involved is very simple. Sell products and get other IBOs in your downline to be able to leverage your volume. Many Amway IBOs work hard and attend all of the functions and do all of the steps as outlined by upline, but very few reap rewards and most quit when they realize that the system doesn't work. It is sad that on top of losing money, that IBOs are also taught to blame themselves for their demise. Where is the upline when IBOs bust their butts working hard and get no rewards? On top of that, to make it worse, uplines profit from selling training and motivation to their downlines. Why aren't they held acountable?   

I've read comments by some Amway defenders wanting to sue Amway critics for a potential loss of business. But most critics, like myself are simply stating our experiences and opinions. Many of which are true and still happening today. So I will ask, what about the millions of former IBOs who may have lost billions of dollars because of false claims which led them to believe that they would get rich following upline advice? Maybe former IBOs should unite and file claims against unethical upline leaders who led them astray?   How can IBOs lose business from a critic when the vast majority do nothing and/or ultimately fail anyway?

In any case, hard work doesn't equate success in Amway and I dare anyone to try to prove me wrong.

Thursday, January 16, 2020

Amway Just Sucks?

What manyAmway defenders seem to miss is the very real possibility that Amway just sucks.  It may look good at a board plan with an eloquent speaker showing the plan but when all is said and done, the vast majority of people wind up with a loss after their investment of time and money.

What goes unnoticed too often is that the system simply doesn’t work.  Sounds easy to “find six” but the fact is that most people will never find 6 people interested in seeing the plan, much less finding six down line platinums.  Only a fraction of one percent of IBOs eve go platinum so do the math on finding and maintaining six of these groups down line.

The products is general are generic in nature but premium in price.  That’s a fact that makes Amway a nearly impossible business to succeed in.  Toss in the bad reputation and you have a recipe for disaster.  The obvious is that Amway just sucks in my opinion.

It’s too bad that starry eyed prospects usually can’t see through the smoke and mirrors because their vision is blurred by dreams of residual income and early retirement.  Sadly, the false dreams turn into broken dreams all too often.

Sunday, January 12, 2020

The Amway Mind Game?

This was a comment left on this blog. It is a very good description of what many Amway BOs experience and how uplines manipulate them. 

Amway is totally a mind game. Controlling your mind is the name of the game. Each and everything that is said from the stage, in the done for a reason. When you are in it, you dont think u are being manipulated. Rather you are made to feel like you are a winner..and you are exceptionally better off than the average outside(non-amway) people, whereas in reality you are loosing every day- loosing in the sense, you are not getting the results for the efforts u are putting. 

Every possible negative situation that could happen is thought of and covered from the stage, and the cd. For eg: let's say u have been in the business for 5 years and not making profit. You will listen to a cd where the speaker says nothing happened to them for the first 5 years of business- so u will be like, this is so similar to my story..if I stay a little more time, it is going to work for me. 

The job world and the outside people (non-amway people) is painted in such a negative color in the system, so u will be like business is not working..but jobs dont work either...let me stick it out and make it in the business...anyway i will not be able to even spend any time with people outside, let me stay in the business. 

You are encouraged to have bigger dreams and get pictures of your dreams on your fridge or have a dream board. In a way this keeps u in the biz, b'coz it is your dream and u are like, how can i choose to leave the biz and these dreams. 

Big time stroking of ego happens in all associations. At all associations, whoever that is getting results at that time is promoted through the roof. Sometimes when u are not getting any results, some of the big pins, wont even acknowledge ur presence. U will be like...i will show it to u, what i am capable of and will stay in the biz some more time.

The main goal of the system is to keep u in the biz for some more time, until that next function or seminar comes to pump u up or give u hope. In the meantime u will be buying 300PV worth of product and increase Amway's business and will be buying tools and be inncreasing your system's income. 

If u have a few people in your group, quitting becomes even more difficult, u will be can i tell these people, whom i gave dreams and got them in...that i am not going to pursue. 

If ur upline is in the local area, if u tell them that u dont want to continue, they will come to ur house, spend hours with u and will use every technique in the book to keep u in. 

For those of u who have read "How to win Friends and Influence people"- two main techniques are used from that book in amway business: 1) Appeal to Nobler cause- There is no real money in Amway for most people- so what do they appeal to - Impacting people, better marriages, great families, Free Enterprise, Intagible benefits like becoming a better person etc etc etc. 

2)Dramatize your ideas- This is what happens in the function- whereas everything is dramatized--incredible fear about economy, job world is put in your mind and incredible rewards achieved by people in the business is constantly talked about( in a crowd of 3000 in a function, at the most 20 so called successful people talk-so there is your ratio of sucess.) 

So, how does this business run? why do people stay in? for HOPE...HOPE of making it one day..HOPE of achieving their dreams...They stay afloat with HOPE

Saturday, January 4, 2020

Lose Your Shirt In Amway?

One of the issues I have with the Amway plan is that the newest IBO, possibly the one who does the most "Work", receives the smallest compensation. Amway pays about 32% (or more) of their income back in the form of bonuses. An IBO who does 100 PV receives a 3% bonus and somewhere, uplines and sponsors receive the rest. Some of the upline may not have even met the IBO who actually did the work. Is that really fair and is that a level playing field? What do some of these uplines do to deserve the lion's share of the bonus you worked to get? Yes, the upline diamond may show the plan in an open meeting, which may help you, but then again, you pay for entrance into that meeting.  If an IB O shleps and goes door to door selling 100 PV worth os stuff, he/she gets a 3% bonus and splines gets the rat of the close to 30% bonus generated by the downline's efforts.  How is that a good deal?

Many uplines will talk about dreams and fulfilling your dreams. But if an IBO would stop and think for a moment, you can easily see that you are building the dreams of your upline, and not your own. You receive a tiny portion of the bonus for the volume that you move, and then in addition, if you are on the system, then you are also paying upline in the form of tool purchases for the privilege of giving them bonuses with your product purchases.  And what good does spline advice do for you?  Are you profiting from them advising you to buy more audios and attending more functions?   I doubt it.

It is why your upline diamonds can parade around on stage with designer suits and show you their fancy cars and mansions and other toys. It is because they are cashing in on your efforts. You are making their dreams come true. Your dedication to moving volume and purchasing standing orders and other materials are fulfilling dreams. The upline dreams. Yes, someday you can hope to have your own group of downline to exploit for your own benefit, but unless you are adding members to your group almost daily, you will never achieve the kinds of dreams that uplines talk about. In the meantime though, you are definitely helping someone upline achieve their dreams with every function you attend. Ironically, the upline leaders will tell you to never quit, even if they don't know your personal circumstances. 

Here's a challenge for IBOs and/or prospects who are being recruited into the Amway business. 100 PV will cost around $300 a month and dedication to the tools system will cost you around $250 a month on average, or more, depending on your level of dedication.  Would you not be better off simply writing a check to your upline for $100 and not even joining? Would you not be better off staying home and watching television instead of joining? If you read all of the information available on this blog and still decide to join, good luck to you, but remember this: Whose dreams are being fulfilled by your participation? Yours or your upline?

Friday, January 3, 2020

Chasing Your Dreams?

One of the things that get people excited about joining Amway is the big talk about dreams. My former LOS, WWDB, still has a big annual function called "dream nite". At dream nite, the diamonds will display a slide show with pictures of mansions, sports cars, jets, jet skis, vacations, golf outings and other fabulous goodies that will get people excited. For many, the prospect of not having to work 9-5 while still having cash roll in is enough to convince them that Amway is the greatest thing since sliced bread was invented.

The problem is that the diamonds are simply filling prospects and IBOs with false hopes and dreams. Hopes and dreams that will not materialize except perhaps for a very select few.

While some people may attain some of these goals and trappings of wealth, the vast majority, probably more than 99% of people who come and go through the business, end up in failure and most with a loss of money. Even those who may put forth heroic efforts often find themselves at a loss after several months or several years of effort. I suspect that many diamonds themselves, cannot afford the luxuries they show off. There is evidence of this happening. Several diamonds have had homes foreclosed, a prominent triple diamond was in bakruptcy proceedings. Former diamonds have come forth and explained that their income came mainly from tools and that Amway income wasn't that much. Some diamonds have resigned or quit, which debunks the myth of lifelong residual income. Some diamonds even took their entire groups and left Amway for other MLMs. So much for Amway being the best and providing lifelong residual income.

It is a sad thing indeed, that so many innocent prospects and IBOs have been deceived by shady upline leaders into thinking that in a short time frame, they will be purchasing homes in cashm retiring before the age of 40, and "walking the beaches" for the rest of their lives. In fact, I don't know of any diamonds who have done just that. It appears that crown ambassadors and others are all still working! Why aren't there people going diamond and then "walking away" to live a quiet life of luxury unmatched by any other opportunity?

Maybe it is a big lie or a myth? IBOs are basically dedicating their time and money to chasing an unattainable dream? How many IBOs do you know of that achieved those dreams?

Thursday, January 2, 2020

Amway Success Is Highly Unlikely?

So many eager and motivated young people join Amway with the hopes that they will retire early, live a life of luxury and basically enjoy life with no worries. Most of the people who join Amway are very likely to be motivated, hard working and wanting more out of life. Their intentions are great but it leads to the question of why do so few people actually get anywhere in Amway and why are there so few new diamonds, at least in the US and Canada in the last 10-20 years?

I think part of the problem is that the folks who recruit new prospects into Amway often imply that everyone has a chance to be a diamond and they also imply that it's not that difficult. I heard comments once that going platinum was so easy that someone's dog could do it. It's obviously not true when a fraction of one percent of IBOs (.26% according to Amway) ever reach the platinum level and even those who do often are unable to maintain that level of volume. 

Now let's break it down to numbers. A platinum group is often typically 100 to 150 IBOs. Of course not all of them are busy moving products or recruiting downline. A diamond group is six platinum groups plus some side volume, thus a diamond group is likely to have 750 to 1000 IBOs. Being a platinum can be compared to being the manager of a company and a diamond is like being a CEO of a big organization. In a job, you can work your way up and eventually become a manager or CEO. Some IBOs think they can never achieve those goals at work, but they mistakenly think they can surpass their sponsors in Amway so it's a better deal. But even if you earn more than your sponsor, does that mean you will eventually reach platinum or diamond? I think a better gauge of success would be those who go diamond. Diamond is often portrayed as the pinnacle of success and is the target shown in "the plan". 

However, as I stated, going diamond would also be like achieving the level of CEO in a company. There is only so much room at the top. That is true. While there can be many diamonds, you would still need to have about 100 to 150 downline to achieve platinum and you would still need six platinum downline groups equating about 750 to 1000 downline IBOs to be diamond, plus your personal group. Thus a diamond is like a CEO who creates his own company. Factor in that half your group is likely to quit each year, thus you must replace hundreds of IBOs every year to maintain the minimum qualification of platinum or diamond. Add the in name "Amway" that makes some people cringe and maintaining a group is a daunting task. Imagine being a CEO of a company that loses half of their employees every year. That's what a diamond "lifestyle" includes. 

It is my informed opinion that a diamond lifestyle is one of hectic schedules, constantly working to help your groups maintain volume and bringing in new IBOs, plus sponsoring and maintaining your own personal group of 2500 PV volume. If you cannot maintain 2500 PV personal volume, I believe you would not qualify for some of the bonuses paid by Amway. Also, because the rest of the workers normally works 8-5 or so, a diamond is out working the night shift and odd hours trying to keep the group intact. Also, factor in the travel to functions for speaking engagements and a constant churning of meetings and you have little time to actually work your business and spend time with family. Sadly, many people join to gain more time and money and they often end up with less time and less money because of their involvement with the constant meetings and functions. 

So can someone succeed in Amway? Certainly it has been done, but I believe that many diamonds are possibly busier working odd hours than someone with a job with regular hours. The diamond lifestyle may be shown as fabulous, but I believe the reality is not as nice a picture. See my previous post about visiting with a diamond.

Wednesday, January 1, 2020

"CORE" Guarantees Failure?

A breakdown of what Amway leaders call "CORE" and why it doesn’t work. Here are the CORE steps. Some groups may have variations of CORE, but this is generally what many groups use. Some things may have changed but the general premise is likely the same:

1 - Show the Plan (10-15 per month)

2 - Retail the Products (10 customers @10 PV each)

3 – CDs/Audios

4 - Books (Read 15 minutes or more daily)

5 - Functions (attend all)

6 - Accountability

7 - Counsel with Upline (Be teachable!)

8 - Buy 100% of your own products

9 – Communikate

Many upline will tell you that your success is nearly 100% guaranteed if you follow these steps for 2-5 years. Some Amway enthusiasts will tell you that 6 months of this activity will nearly assure you of a platinum level business. Certain steps are within the IBO’s control, such as reading every day and listening to cds, and attending functions. It is also easy enough to be accountable, counsel with upline, buy your own products, and use KATE (voicemail).

Here’s where an Amway IBO’s efforts will break down. Showing the plan and retailing products. And remember, if you cannot do these steps then you are not considered “CORE” and your upline will likely tell you that it is your own fault and that you simply haven’t been CORE, therefore you did not achieve success. There is some truth in this but let me expose the system in a different angle.

Amway has a spotty reputation in the US. I don’t think anyone can dispute this fact. Therefore, for the vast majority of people, being able to show the plan 10-15 times per month is a nearly impossible task. If you are able to do this, you are a really good salesman or a good liar. In this scenario, the IBO is already successful, but not because of CORE, but simply because the IBO has the gift of being able to convince people into seeing the plan. But for many IBOs, they may contact hundreds of people and not be able to get anyone to see the plan. Even IBOs who follow upline advice on how to contact will probably not be able to show 10-15 plans per month. Thus this IBO, who is doing the work, will not be able to succeed. The system will blame the IBO, but the reality is that the IBO has too big of a disadvantage to overcome.

Secondly, with high prices (on average) and with a spotty reputation, most IBOs are unable to retail products. Amway itself has admitted that less than 4% of Amway products are sold to customers (non IBOs). Thus most IBOs are unable to sell products, therefore they are not CORE, therefore upline will blame the IBO for failure..

What if an IBO contacts 1000 people and cannot get 10 people to see the plan? Upline will claim that IBO is not CORE and therefore it is personal failure of the IBO. IMO, the only reason why upline can claim that CORE works is because in order to do the CORE steps consistently, you have to already be at a certain level of success. The vast majority of IBOs cannot and will never be able to reach that level.

That is the myth and the deception that many uplines will use to attract recruits. That each IBO can do the CORE steps. When only a fraction of 1% ever reach the level of platinum or higher, the numbers strongly support what is written here. Apologists are welcome to try and prove me wrong, but they can't. :D