Wednesday, May 27, 2020

It’s That Simple?

My blog has gotten a number of comments about various Amway groups such as WWDB, LTD, etc, conducting online functions.  Of course, despite the lower cost of running an online function, upline diamonds appear to be charging regular prices fir these online functions. But let’s face it, with social distancing and the need to stay away from interacting with people, the Amway business virtually comes to a stand still.  But diamonds apparently need to continue to fleece their down line to uphold their diamond lifestyles, which might be a struggle right now.

So fir IBOS and prospects, Joecool will offer you some tips about your Amway business completely free of charge.  Personally I feel that Amway sucks as a business opportunity but if you must proceed I will give you free advice.

Don’t spend money you don’t have on Amway stuff and Amway training.  If your business doesn’t profit enough to pay for your functions and standing orders, then don’t participate until your business can at least support itself .  That will prevent you from piling up debt. If you can make enough profit without the Amway education, perhaps you don’t need Amway education.

Amway is about selling stuff, buying stuff and trying to recruit down line.  It’s really that simple.  Nothing more and nothing less.  While your upline has and endless supply of training and (paid) advice for you, it still boils down to your ability to buy, sell and sponsor.  It’s really that simple whether you fully understand it or not.

The Amway business is just a front for upline diamonds to sell tools and functions to IBOS and prospects.  Much like the Italian restaurant is a front for the Mob in movies and TV shows.  Because the Amway business is really that simple.  Your upline wants you to think you need extensive and never ending training because that’s their bread and butter.  You can take that to the bank.   😃

Sunday, May 24, 2020

Your Failing Amway Business?

Amway’s own stats show that the vast majority of IBOs fail.  When you factor in additional expenses such as standing orders and functions, the losses can add up to significant amounts of money.  I haven’t looked recently but the average IBO earned like $200 a month before expenses but that average is deceiving because it includes the “millionaire” diamonds and dies not include IBOs that did nothing.   When you factor in all of the business expenses, it’s possible for a large group to lose money collectively with only one higher up diamond or other pin profiting.

But what is truly scary and goes unnoticed by the rank and file is the idiotic advice that diamonds give their down line IBOS.  The advice fir a failing IBO is not to limit expenses or perhaps to stop purchasing tools.  Often these down line are advised to spend even more on tools.  That more Amway education will ultimately lead to success.  Sadly it just results in more business losses and rarely will the advice to spend more when your business is not profitable will rarely help a failing Amway business.

Additionally, upline will push the down line to sponsor others.  Thus an IBO ends up recruiting more failing Amway businesses as a means to succeed.  But for the upline diamond, the churn is just fine.  As long as the newbies buy an Amway kit, perhaps some products and maybe some tools and functions.  Fir the diamonds, this works just fine as long as you can keep replacing the quitters with new recruits.

All the whole, any persistent IBOs will keep churning until they finally realize that their efforts are futile and finally walk away.  Sometimes there are IBOs who get a good start and sponsor others and might have some momentum.  The diamonds will capitalize on this by building up that IBO until they ultimately fizzle out.

But it’s clear that the upline advice serves the diamonds better than the down line.  It’s crystal clear to me but not so much to the newbies or dedicated IBOs who haven’t seen through the scheme yet.  My hope is that prospects or even seasoned IBOs will see this article and see through the bad upline diamond’s advice.

Friday, May 22, 2020

What Retirement?

As states open up their economies during the covid 19 pandemic, life is going to start to resemble a world we once knew.  It might be a while before large gatherings are allowed so the diamonds might continue to fleece their down line by charging full price for online functions that are full of mostly useless advice.  Sadly many down line will wind up sacrificing money they can’t afford because their upline diamond said they should.

But I ask an honest question.  With all the head aches brought on by covid 19 restrictions, diamond continue to work and recruit new IBOS.  It made me wonder why none of the illustrious diamonds have exercised their right to walk away from their business to enjoy a peaceful and quiet life of retirement with barrels of cash flowing forever?  Many of the diamonds I saw at one time are close to or in their 60’s.   Isn’t the idea of residual income sold by the diamonds?  If they in fact have loads of residual income, why would they continue to remain busy running from function to function when they could kick back and enjoy life?

Let me offer a their that will be unpopular with IBOS.  The diamonds live check to check like many other people and unless they have created wealth by investing in things other than Amway, they are possibly in debt trying to show off the diamond lifestyle.  I recall hearing a diamond at a function I attended discourage people from investing in the stock market because it was like gambling. Nothing could be further from the truth.  If you are day trading, then that might be like gambling but investing in a solid company like Apple for example is a safe investment in the long run.

I find it humorous that diamonds sell Amway by claiming that it’s a ticket to early retirement but in fact, I don’t know of any diamonds who actually retired on Amway income.  What I did see was crown ambassadors dying on the job and some diamonds quitting or resigning from Amway.  So I ask again:  What retirement?

Tuesday, May 19, 2020

The Buy From Yourself Nonsense?

Before many IBOs and prospects even heard of Amway, their uplines were hard at work thinking up ways to disarm valid arguments against Amway.  One of the things many people do not like is going out and selling stuff to others.  It was common to say Amway is perfect for you regardless of whether you liked selling it not.  It also disarmed the argument that people don't like selling

Uplines would use silly points such as buying from yourself as a business concept.  When you braking down, buying from yourself only makes you an Amway customer.  Your Amway business is a distributor hip, thus you buy from Amway and then hopefully resell the product for a profit. There's no profit in buying from your own distributorship.  Your upline might tell you something crazy like paying your business the full retail price and that becomes your profit.

Think about this. Say you buy a bar of soap for $20 but your cost is $10.  Your upline will say you made a profit of $10 but in reality, you moved $10 from your savings account into your business account.  It’s no profit if it came out of your own bank account.  But your upline will come up with these mind tricks to try to keep you motivated to stay in business so they can keep harvesting your money by selling you books, audios, functions and other forms of “education”.

Just keep in mind that as a business owner, you need to track your income and expenses.  If you aren’t making a net profit very quickly in Amway, when will you ever since there’s a cost for Amway products that you didn’t use before Amway and the never ending training that upline pushes.  In Amway presentations, they say you can profit quickly because of low overhead, etc.  But the mention of paying for training often could ex later after you commit to sign up.

It’s my hope that prospects/IBOs can see this and make informed decisions about joining or continuing in Amway.

Thursday, May 14, 2020

IBOs Beware?

One of the things that came up this year with covid 19 and the Federal stimulus were hoards of scammers trying to pry the stimulus money out of the hands of unsuspecting people.  Sadly, people fall for these scams which is why these crooks keep doing it.

I’m quite certain that the upline diamonds know about it and have been hard at work trying to figure out how to separate IzbOs from that stimulus money or the additional unemployment money that people might be receiving because of the covid 19.  I’m sure there will be a pitch on extra products or vitamins and of course, more consumption of tools and functions.

I just hope that IBOS and prospects will honestly analyze everything and monitor their monthly expenses and income if they decide to continue.  It doesn’t take long before monthly bonuses if $10 - $50 accompanied with monthly PV purchases of up to $300 and $100 to $300 or more monthly will turn into debt and eventually massive debt.

Your upline will call it a business investment or that you need to be educated but what is your return on investment?  You can keep shoveling money into a fire hoping  it will turn to gold because your upline said so but most likely you’ll be burning your money and will never see it again.

I recommend that you monitor your expenses carefully and really think about whether your tone and effort will turn a profit.  Keep in mind that you were likely pitched that Amway has low overhead so you can profit quickly.  But during the presentation, they don’t mention that you’ll be expected to shell out approximately $500 or more monthly fir tools and PV expenses.  Food for thought.  Stay safe!

Sunday, May 10, 2020

Honest Question For IBOS?

I have a question for IBOs and it’s a sincere one.  Do you really believe that you will get rich and be able to walk the beaches in 2-5 years?   I know the diamonds make it sound easy but you know the old saying about how if something sounds too good to be true?  I know the diamonds try to skirt the issue by saying that Amway is hard work and that Amway is not get rich quick.  Some even say Amway is get rich slow.

But in the end it’s all BS.  If 2-5 years and being able to retire and walk the beaches of the world while wheel barrels of money rolling in forever is not a get rich quick scam, what is?  First off, name a few diamonds who walked away to enjoy that benefit of waking the beaches retired while income rolls in?  In all my years of research into Amway and personal experience, I have known of zero diamonds who achieved the level and walked away to collect their rewards forever.   I have seen a triple diamond file chapter 7 bankruptcy, diamond home foreclosures, and diamonds and higher levels dying while still working Amway.

So IBOS, do you really believe in pink unicorns and Amway forever residual income?  If that existed, you’d think there would have at least one diamond who would exercise that option.  Instead the diamonds feed you BS that they love you and work only for your success.  Do the math and figure out how much they make from selling books, standing orders , audios and functions and you’ll understand what I’m saying.

Lastly a diamond pin lasts forever so someone could go diamond one time and never qualify again but still possess the diamond pin and appear on stage earning income from books, audios, standing orders and functions.  When you understand this, you will know why diamonds are not retired and walking the beaches of the world.  More likely, diamonds are in debt living bonus check to bonus check like the people that attend their functions.   😃

Thursday, May 7, 2020

The Buy From Yourself Nonsense?

One of the biggest crocks taught by upline was the buy from yourself nonsense.  Be your own best customer.   Buy from yourself at full retail and use the profits to pay for your tools and functions is the BS that was taught.  Think about it, if you buy from yourself, the biggest profit goes to Amway and your upline.  You get nothing unless you meet the minimum PV level and even if you pay yourself full retail, the money in your business account cake from your own pocket.

Upline fools you into thinking you are a business owner when in reality you are simple a customer of Amway and possibly your upline.  Have you ever heard of someone making millions using a cash back credit card which is similar to the concept that upline uses where you buy what you need and get a rebate from Amway.  While it sounds ridiculous, this is what upline is schlepping on their IBOS and ssdly, many new IBOS fall for it.

Unless you sell a lot of products to people who are not IBOS, all you are doing is making money from your down line, if you even make a profit after paying for tools and functions.  Think about this concept carefully.  If you could buy your way to prosperity. You could simply buy 15,000 PV yourself and instantly become a ruby.  However, that much PV would cost nearly $50,000 dollars and your bonus money would not even cover half of cost of the PV you purchased.

So if your upline advises this concept, you should ask tough questions and demand answers or runaway from them as fast as you can.  Do the math.  I urge IBOS and prospects to heed this warning because uplines are also hurting in a tough economy but they have you as their downline to exploit fir income.  Beware!   😎

Wednesday, May 6, 2020

Unlimited Income?

A recent site visitor comment stated that Amway had run low or run out of various commodities due to the hoarding going on with the covid.19 pandemic going on.  It got me to thinking about a claim that my upline made at one time.  That as an Amway IBO, you can earn unlimited income.  Sky’s the limit they would say.

While that claim sounds nice, it’s just wild hype in the end.  As with many other things in Amway, you are limited by Amway itself.  Just like you can’t advertise without their convent, and you likely can’t win any disputes with Amway, you are also limited in earnings in terms of you can’t sell what Amway doesn’t have.  I suppose you could sell everything in the Amway warehouse but good luck with that.

In the end, it’s just another questionable claim made by upline leaders in order to put lipstick on a pig, to make a point.  It’s like how you can sponsor six who sponsor six, etc..  It sounds good and easy until you try to put it into practice.  A lot of Amway teachings are like that. It seems to make sense until you actually try to put it in practice.  I guess you can compare this claim to the common one about going diamond, walking away from the business and receiving residual income for life.

Oddly, I know retired firemen, bankers, government workers, but have never actually met anyone who retired because of residual Amway income.

Monday, May 4, 2020

The Diamond Con Artist?

A recent visitor comment mentioned that a diamond us basically a con artist.  Com is shirt for confidence.  They get you to trust them with small talk, building you up and eliciting your goals and dreams.  Once they get you there, suddenly they try to close the deal by saying you can’t afford to open a real business so Amway makes sense and with their nearly foolproof system you can’t go wrong.

They may start you out with a few free audios or meetings but the bar gets raised soon enough.  You’ll be told that a real business owner needs to invest in their business.  An investment into learning about the business and how to build it.  You just need to be reachable and open minded and follow the foot steps of your upline leaders.  Ironically many IBOS call their upline mentors when in reality, they are con artists working a scam.

In a way, they’re not much different than any run if the mill scammer.  You get the prospect hooked and get them to hand over money.  One difference is that the upline just takes smaller amounts but on a regular basis via their system of books, audios, functions, meetings and other educational materials. If IBOS actually prophesied and many were profitable, my opinion would be different.  Instead the masses contribute to the diamonds lifestyle with the irony being that the IBOS treat the diamonds like rock stars and worship them.

The vast majority of IBOs make nothing or lose money.   Some people lose a lot of money.  What’s worse is the diamonds apparently don’t care that many are hurting and possibly jobless due to the covid19 pandemic and they continue to exploit their due line by running online functions but charging the same price.  But in the end, the Amway business is person to person and typically face to face.  I can’t imagine any useful teaching coming from upline.  Not that normal functions have useful teaching.

In the end. it is my informed opinion that Amway diamonds operate just like con artists.

Monday, April 27, 2020

Amway Four Eyes?

One of the Amway pitches used by upline was the four Is.   The upline would give a reliable speech about how the four Is (I) would suck the life out of you.  Now you might be wondering what the heck I’m talking about?   Well, the four Is are insurance, interest, income tax and inflation.

Most everyone has various types of insurance, typically car, home and possibly life insurance where you pay for something you hope you will never need to use.  This expense is depicted as a necessary evil that helps people broke.  Next you have interest.  As many or most people are in debt, you wind up paying interest.   You pay interest but receive very little of it for your money in the bank.

Then you have income tax.  The government makes sure they take a piece of your earnings to provide public services and taxes seemingly only go up but never down.  You can’t escape paying taxes.  It’s the only sure thing in life besides death.  Lastly there’s inflation.  Luckily with interest rates at record lows, inflation is low but the common denominator is that all of the four Is take pieces of your income.

What gets weird from here is how upline will toss you a pitch to justify how someway somehow, Amway levels the playing field and by doing Amway you can overcome the four Is.  I find it odd how so many IBOs miss the fact that they are cash negative directly attributable to Amway and the related Amway too and function sales.

While the uplines May gave a slippery way of pitching Amway, anyone with common sense and the ability to do some basic general math should be able to see right thru the charade.  How can a cash negative proposition help you with the four Is?  The answer is it can’t but you need to be able to discern the forest from the trees to see through upline deception.  Stay safe!

Tuesday, April 21, 2020

Are Uplines Exploiting The Sheep?

As we are now getting deeper into the covid 19 mess, it seems clear to me that the Amway diamonds are not living in the lap of luxury and needing to exploit down line to keep their income rolling in.  When I read comments that diamonds are tying to set up online functions and charging full price, I was thinking WTH?

Most if not all states and countries have restrictions due to the virus.  You can’t liberally go out in public and recruit or do other moral Amway related activities.  The Amway business is basically person to person and face to face, one at a time.  Those activities are curtailed due to the virus so what in the world will the diamonds teach that can actually be useful to downline.  It ticks me off that these allegedly Uber wealthy diamonds need to stoop so low as to exploit rank and file IBOs for their riches.

I wonder if anyone knows what is being taught at these new functions?  I’m sure it’s worthless but what will IBOs do with the information when you can’t go out to prospect?  It’s a waste of time and money and I feel bad fir the low ranked IBOs who may have lost jobs or income due to the societal restrictions.  Think twice before taking upline advice to expend money on functions and other expenditures in this business.

Sunday, April 19, 2020

Amway IBO Assumptions?

A recent comment on this blog made me chuckle.  It was something about how Joecool is a loser who has nothing better to do than tear down this fabulous Amway opportunity.  That is not verbatim but the jist of the comment.  Many Amway defending folks are typically new IBOS who are just fired up about Amway because they have believed the lies about 2-5 years of work with reasonable assurance that they will achieve financial freedom, walk the beaches of the world and tell their bosses to “shove it”.

The author also assumes that Joecool must be a broke and bitter loser who can only criticize and hasn’t achieved anything in life.  I hate to break the news to my critics but after my Amway days, I focused on my job, worked a second job to earn money to invest in my retirement and I figured out that Bill Gates made the Amway owners look like paupers because of Microsoft.  There was a rumor that Amway created more millionaires than any other company.  That is false.  Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon make Amway look like a welfare case.  The bitter Joecool worked for a pension which I started collecting at age 55 and I had invested in Microsoft in 1997 the year after I quit Amway.   That paid off better than Amway.  Thank you very much.

I was very lucky to purchase my own home in Hawaii back in the year 2002 for about $300k.   My home is currently valued at close to a million dollars and while I have a small mortgage, I have more than enough cash to pay off the note.  Now I know that many will call BS on my claim but I am willing to prove it but it will cost you a sizable settlement because I can’t prove anything without revealing who I am.  But I will take the wager if anyone dares.

But enough about me.  What are IBOs doing now that you can’t prospect?  I’m sure doing business online is rough which is ironic since Amway is an online business.   But I digress.  Why do Amwayers assume that that anyone critical of Amway is broke?  I believe the opposite is true.  When I was in Amway, I was young and in an entry level job.  I retired in a management level position supervising many people.

So back to Amway, are you making real net profit in Amway or faking it till you hope you are making it?

Wednesday, April 15, 2020

What Is An Amway Diamond?

 I was an IBO back in the 1990s and I recall how the audience basically worshipped the diamonds and made as if they walked in water.  after all, they had achieved what everyone wanted right?  They were allegedly wealthy beyond most people’s dreams and could sleep until noon each day because they didn’t have to report to a job.  But if you’ve been around and experienced some of what I’ve seen, you get a different perspective.

Basically a diamond is an Amway customer and an Amway sales person who works for commissions only with no fringe benefits.  Additionally, Amway basically owns them because Amway has the power to stop their commissions if Amway’s in disagreement over various business issues.

Secondarily, Amway diamonds have a second job/business selling tools and functions.  I believe it would be common for a diamond to make as much or more income from tools and functions than from Amway.  You say no chance?  How about this?  Diamonds only have to qualify one time and possibly may never actually be a diamond again but can still appear on stage earning their living by speaking and selling audios or cds.

Also, tools and functions have a higher markup than Amway products thus the potential for more profits.  Rank and file IBOS receive Amway bonus money but don’t share in the action fir tools and functions.  It is why the tools and functions are emphasized by upline. But in the end a diamond is just an Amway customer and sales person.

Monday, April 13, 2020

Amway Updates?

If anyone has information about how Amway folks are operating currently under covid 19 restrictions, please post them as comments here.  I would assume that business is down as much as most other businesses, maybe more as many IBOs may not have cash to be exploited by upline.  I can’t imagine someone living in the edge coughing up good money to attend an online function

I have heard that online functions cost as much as the live functions.  I guess the diamonds are hurting as recruitment activities are being slows by the societal restrictions caused by the virus.  But it does burn me to know that even in tough times, the upline look to exploit the down line for their personal gain.

So I wish everyone well.  Stay safe and please share any stories you may have about how Amway IBOs and groups are currently operating.

Sunday, April 5, 2020

Your Bottom Line?

One thing I urge Amway IBOs yo do is to use common sense and watch your bottom line. If you see a net loss and keep doing the same things, you're likely to see a net loss again.  Tomes are tough now with the covid 19 wreaking havoc on the economy.  Many have lost jobs or lost income and I hope that is restored soon, but I would hate to see IBOs exploited by upline during this trying time.

Upline is good at teaching something that makes perfect sense and then teaching IBOs to do the opposite. For example, they teach you to get out of debt but then turn around and encourage down line to rack up debt if it’s to purchase audios or function tickets. If debt is no good, thorn it’s also no good for your Amway business.  The business should generate enough revenue to cover this expenses or you should consider skipping them.

I have heard that functions are occurring online at regular cost of course.  That is likely because the diamonds are all feeling the pinch of a bad economy and need to squeeze out more income fir themselves.  You’re supposed to just buy what you need but the defacto 100 PV quota almost assures that you overspend to meet the quota or buy things you normally do not such as energy drinks, vitamin supplements and other related health products.

I just encourage IBOs to really analyze their bottom lines and hold onto your money if your business is. It generating the kind of income you expect.  Things will recover but in a tight economy, your money can be better spent elsewhere.  I’d hate to see people blow their federal stimulus checks on functions that won’t help their business grow.

Stay safe and watch your bottom line!

Tuesday, March 31, 2020

What’s Happening In Amway?

Our country and my state are in shut down mode due to the covid 19.  We are allowed to exercise outdoors and to run errands for food, banking, doctor appointments.  People are being ticketed, fined and could face jail tube for failure to comply with the shut down rules.   I really miss going out fir lunch and dinner but that’s another story.

I’ve gotten done feedback and messages that some Amway groups continue to fleece their faithful down line by continuing to run functions, albeit via teleconference but at the sane price as an in person function.   If you are an IBO or prospect, even if you believe in Amway, what can you do with information learned?  You can’t go out to prospect safely nor will you be able to run and/or build a business under the current social conditions.

But it ticks me off that Amway leaders are so shameless that they continue to take money from their down line in a potential depressed economy where a lot of people are losing their jobs or having less work due to the pandemic.  It suggests to me that diamonds are desperately trying to pay their own bills by fleecing people who trust them.

Aren’t the diamonds supposed to be filthy rich ?   Aren’t they living in the lap of luxury?  Yet here they are taking money from people who can likely least afford it to keep their scam going.  IBOS are not churning out new successes with regularity.   Where are all the new diamonds and emeralds?  They don’t exist.  We mostly see the sane old diamonds over and over while the multitudes lies money chasing what they think is a dram but in reality is a scam.

Friday, March 27, 2020

Stay Safe?

I live in Hawaii and our covid 19 cases have reached 120 as of this writing.  If you are involved in Amway, consider taking a break and following the directions of your government leaders.  Do not take unnecessary risk in the name of recruiting downline.   Stay home and do not contribute to the problem.

If your upline is scheduling functions online and charging you, don’t you wonder why you would need to pay when a conference call or online meeting such as using an app would be free and you can’t use the teaching as many states such as mine are in lock down mode where we are only allowed to be our for work, or to get food or to go to medical appointments.

People are being fined for being out and about fir no reason.  You can’t run an Amway business the way things are now.  Stay home and stay safe.  Save your money and think twice before paying your upline for a conference that can be run fir free.  Sure you can argue that they need to get paid fir their time but the question is why they are trying to squeeze money from their down line in a tight economy and a possible looming recession.

Stay safe physically and financially!   😃

Sunday, March 22, 2020

The Nerve?

I just wrote a blog post about Amway and covid 19.  People are being mandated to stay home and to practice social distancing which us probably killing Amway IBOs and their ability to recruit and attempt to sell products.  Travel is being restricted and in Hawaii where I live, visitors will soon be quarantined for two weeks upon landing and many places are closed and restaurants are limited to take out orders only.  

In Hawaii, we are a tourist based economy so many people are being laid off or having reduced hours of work.  We and the rest of the country will be hurting and people will likely take time to recover financially from the carnage of covid 19 and that’s not including the stock market.  Because I’m already retired, my retirement portfolio was in high yield bonds and guaranteed interest accounts but many likely lost a small fortune due to the volatile stock market.

But what ticks me off is hearing that the diamonds are still trying to hold functions with a live stream which basically costs nothing but apparently are charging the full function price.  They have their nerve if they are doing this.  They allegedly make bank as diamonds but have the gall to try and extract cash from down line by running bull shit functions that are highly unlikely to help downline IBOs to make any money.  What a joke.

Amway IBOs and prospects, if you read this and still pay for a useless function, ask your upline diamond why they don’t do this fir free since they make money off downline business.  Why don’t they do this free all the time since downline would have more cash fir Amway products.  But they won’t answer or do any free functions as diamonds are very likely dependent on function money to survive.  Take that to the bank.

Thursday, March 19, 2020

Amway And Covid 19?

I recently went to my doctor for a routine check up.  He told me basically that the corona virus is just thus years version of influenza or the flu.  But because the media has sensationalized it, it has become a disaster fir people and world wide economies.  I don’t believe that covid 19 is any worse than the swine flu that we had sone years back.  Joecool has used the opportunity to purchase great stocks at low prices.

But how will this affect IBOS?   They mostly do business person to person which might become challenging with social distancing being practiced.  Also, how will the uplines line their pockets without the ability to have large meetings and conventions.  Not that I feel sorry fir the crooked upline but I wonder what pitch is being used to extract cash from downline without the ability to hold functions?   How will IBOS recruit without the ability to sit down fir coffee?  At least in Hawaii, restaurants and places like Star Bucks only have take out options.

Now to be honest I don’t wNt people’s jobs to be affected so I have been eating out daily to support local business.  I don’t want IBOS to have their employment affected but I hope that upline doesn’t push some shameless s am to extract cash from their down line due to the covid 19 restrictions.  If anyone knows of any hair brained schemes by upline, let me know so I can investigate and possibly publish an article about it here.

Stay safe and I hope this mess gets sorted out soon!  

Tuesday, March 17, 2020

Amway Should Be Booming?

With the covid 19 virus trashing the stock market and local economies, there is fear and uncertainty sweeping the US and many other countries.   In Hawaii, it’s getting difficult to find anti bacterial and other cleaning supplies such as bleach and disinfecting wipes and the like.  Everyone is doing what they can to stay clean and avoid catching the virus themselves.  I can’t say I blame them.

But is Amway booming as they sell many household and cleaning products?  Are IBOS up to their ears in orders for these products?  My guess is no.  You would think IBOS would be able to capitalize on such a golden opportunity to prosper.  But then again, many IBOS just buy from themselves and try to recruit others into the scheme.  Thus sales are an afterthought and not a priority.

I hope that people remain calm, use common sense and be abad to recover and prosper quickly from all of this mess.  In the meantime, I wish everyone well and hope you all stay safe and virus free.

P.S.  regarding the comment on Anna’s blog, I do not currently have contact information for her.  I have also had difficulty with comments here but it appears that the problems are with mobile devices.  I will try to get the worked out.

Stay safe everyone!

Sunday, March 15, 2020

The Problem With Amway?

The reason why (In My Opinion) so many Amway IBOs fail despite being motivated is because the Amway business is fraught with so many obstacles and handicaps.  I'm in my 50's (and retired no thanks to Amway) but I could beat the fastest runner in the world in the 100 meter dash if he had to run 100 meters and I only need to run 30 meters.  I'm not in his class but if I have a big enough handicap, even the fastest man in the world cannot overcome it.  It's like the Amway business.

Let me elaborate in simple language.  Amway products are generic in name and quality but come with premium prices.  Add the bad name reputation that Amway carries and it's easy to see why the vast majority of Amway IBOs fail.  Also keep mind that Amway's multi tiered system is designed to have few winners.  Take the common 6-4-2 plan or some similar version.  It has a bunch of rank and file IBOs with one platinum.  Then they say duplicate that 6 times and you're a diamond.  Sounds simple and easy until you try to actually do it.

The 100 PV is difficult because unless you're a great sales person, consuming that much volume of household products is difficult and often leads to overspending to reach the defacto quota.  Most IBOs self consume because they are taught to do so and they often wind up overspending to reach that 100 PV.  But you must do it so your downline can copy you right?  What BS which brings up my next point.

IBOs are systematically drained of their money by the upline in the form of voicemail, books, standing orders and functions/meetings.   The system is ineffective and the system does not and cannot produce any more success than the 1 out of approximately 100 that is shown in many plans.  Imagine that, you can be in the top 10% of IBOs and you are likely to lose money month after month.  Its because the Amway system is designed that way.   It wouldn't be so bad if not for the blood sucking upline advising people to spend (They call it investing) on their Amway education.

Thus in the end, paying premium prices for generic products and basically working with a company with a bad reputation is already a massive handicap but when you factor in the cost of the upline system of voicemail (who needs voicemail anymore to begin with???), standing orders and audios, books, functions and meetings plus gas and other related expenses and you wind up with the scenario I described in the beginning of this post.  You can be the fastest man on earth but if you give me a 70 meter head start in a 100 meter race, I will win all the time.  In this case the IBOs are the fastest man on earth while Amway is the one with the head start.

That's the entire problem with Amway in my view.  In my numerous years of blogging, not one IBO or prospect has proven me wrong.  Also, not a single IBO who shot off his/her mouth on this blog has ever returned to claim they went platinum or diamond.   Gee, I wonder why that is??

Thursday, March 12, 2020

Amway Is Not A Gamble?

I’ve seen and heard many debates about Amway and one interesting discussion was about Amway and gambling and the odds of success.  The Amway defenders were quick to point out that Amway is not a game of chance and hard work is required to succeed.   But let’s look beyond those simple and obvious arguments.

If Amway is not a game of chance, then it is possibly the most difficult business in the world to succeed in.   That’s because millions or tens of millions have put forth a lot of time, effort and money into their Amway business only to end up with a net loss.   Amway’s own financial disclosures confirm this.   Now I didn’t go digging for the most recent figures but Amway’s own stats showed that about 1/4 of one percent of IBOS go platinum.  That’s the level where dedicated IBOS allegedly break even or begin to make a profit although many IBOs go platinum but do not requalify for that level again.

So based on information that Amway discloses, you have about a small fraction of one percent of breaking even or making money in Amway.  And I repeat the Amway defender’s line that Amway is not a game of chance.  Who in the world would want to join a business where you have less chance to succeed than a game of chance?  Seriously?  If I flip a coin, I have a fifty percent chance of calling the correct outcome of heads or tails.

Even most games in Las Vegas gives you close to a 50 percent chance of winning.  Certain games such as black jack can actually favor the player depending on the level of skill.  Now I’m not advocating gambling as a good way to make an income but I’m just illustrating how difficult it can be to succeed in Amway.

More food for thought:  Vegas builds new hotels and attractions on the losses from losing gamblers.  However, most gamblers enjoy gaming knowing they are likely to lose but with a chance to win.  Amway diamonds enjoy the diamond lifestyle by selling cds/audios and functions while encouraging downline to move more PV but in the mean time, the down lines are losing money month after month with little chance of even getting small jackpots along the way.  The sad part is that Amway is not a game of chance.  At least gambling doesn’t require hard work.

Wednesday, March 11, 2020

The Solution To a Failing Business?

I just shake my head when I read about the kinds of advice that Amway IBOS receive from their trusted mentors and upline.   Now let me say that I would have nothing to criticize if diwnljnes were regularly progressing and moving up the ranks and actually making money.  But it’s obvious that most IBOS are spinning their wheels getting nowhere and the only advice that upline seemingly gives  is to spend more money on functions and tools that are already proven to be ineffective.

When most real business owners are cutting expenses or looking at strategies to bring in more revenue, Amway IBOS and uplines are advising people to spend more money on activities that don’t make them money.  Why not just get a pile of cash and burn it?  The result would be the same.  Keep in mind that the upline profits from the sale of tools and functions so it seems pretty dubious that upline would advise struggling fir lives to spend more time and money in things that haven’t worked in the first place.  

What is the real solution to a failing business?  I can’t tell you that but I can tell you that spending more money on things that do not result in more sales and profits is not the solution.  Most dedicated IBOs lose money because of the tools and functions which are not effective in helping IBOS become profitable.  What makes it more insidious is that uplines profit nicely for giving downlinex bad
advice even if their bad advice results in bigger losses.

When it comes to Amway, it seems apparent to me that the only logical solution is to walk away, seek refunds on whatever you can and find another activity to make some income. Sitting at home watching TV is more profitable to most IBOS that actively trying to run an Amway business.

Tuesday, March 10, 2020

Owning A Business?

Amway IBOS call themselves business owners but they seemingly know so little about business.  Their knowledge is often clouded by the BS they are fed by their all knowing upline.  Ironically, many IBOS refer to upline as mentors or coaches.  They see nothing wrong with the massive failures that upline produces and most don’t seem to think it’s a problem that many IBOS blame themselves despite following the paid fir arise that they received from upline.

Fir example the upline may sell them on an Amway business by pitching the low cost and low overhead only to have upline later tell them that they need to invest in Amway like any other business.  They are told that Amway can give them quick profits but when those profits don’t materialize they are told that business owners often spend 5 years without making net profits.

The reason why IBOS fall for the upline BS is because they really know little to nothing about actually owning and running a business .  They fall for the upline’s faulty advice and although many make an earnest effort to build their business, Amway is flawed and the upline advice is ineffective and flawed as well,  sadly, the expenses of running an Amway business and the cost of the system can quickly turn into losses of thousands of dollars or tens of thousands and more, depending on the level of dedication.

The way to get around this is for IBOS to track their income and expenses very closely and to run a profit loss analysis weekly or at least monthly.  If there are no real prospects to increase income or reduce expenses, there is no point in continuing to run an Amway business.   If you attend functions, is there a direct relationship between attendance and increased business income?  If not then why attend?  Same goes for other tools such as standing orders.

Quitting Amway is a good business decision if there are no profits and no concrete measurable plans to make a profit. Isn’t profit the reason you started an Amway business in the first place.

Friday, March 6, 2020

The Partner Store Myth?

One of the interesting things that Amway IBOS like to claim us how Amway partners with big name companies like Disney or Nike.  But that’s like saying 7-11 is partnered with CocaCola because 7-11 sells their product.  It’s the same as Amway IBOS.  They might have Nike or Disney products in their  catalogs but calling it a partnership is a stretch.  It’s not like you can buy Amway stuff at Disneyland or Nike town.  That would be a partnership wheee each company sells each other’s products.

Instead, Amway IBOS get to hawk products for these “partner” stores but strictly on a commission only basis.  It’s a great deal to have Amway IBOS sell your stuff for commission only and no fringe benefits.   The “partner” store has nothing to lose.  It’s like having access to a fleet of free sales people who only get paid a little if they sell product but receive nothing unless volume is actually moved.

What Amway folks don’t like to talk about is how Enron and MCI Worldcim were also Amway partners at one time.  IMO, a scam partnering with a scam.  LOL.  So basically the partner program for Amway IBOS is like unrequited love.  In other words it’s all one sided.

In the end, the partner concept might in name bring some credibility to the IBOS story when prospecting new recruits but in the end, you still need to deal with the Amway name and reputation.  Selling a few Nike or Disney products in the Amway catalogs doesn’t make Amway a better business opportunity nor does it tend to make IBOS any more profitable, nor does it make an IBO more likely to succeed.  The partner store concept is just a nice talking point and nothing more.  LOL. 😃

Wednesday, March 4, 2020

Is Amway A Cult

Many people who have attended or seen an Amway convention have at times compared the experience to a cult.  While an Amway convention might not be an actual cult, there are many similarities in which a gathering of IBOS can be considered very cult like.  There are certain parameters that IBOS adhere to that make Amway seem eerily cult like.

They seem to worship the leader.  The diamond is like a rock star and is given adulation, standing ovations when they enter a room, and Amway IBOS will practically take a bullet for their upline diamond.  People literally line up and even move extra Amway products fir the privilege of driving the diamond to a meeting or to spend an hour with the diamond.   I recall as an IBO having to meet a qualification in order to attend a picnic with the upline diamond.

At meetings you’d think the diamond walked on water with the way the IBOS would serve them hand and foot as if they were divine beings, and at a minimum, the diamonds were treated like royalty or celebrities.  Additionally, IBOS dress alike, act alike and act terribly predictable.  It’s almost humorous when you see it happening.

The IBOS all have a common goal if financial freedom even if no one seemingly achieves it.  They assume that the diamond is wealthy beyond belief even though nobody really knows what the diamonds net worth actually is.  All I know is that diamonds are always working while normal folks eventually retire when they are older.

Is Amway and the related groups such as WWDB a bunch of cults and cultists?  I don’t really know but I do know that they have many cult like characteristics.  Although you can come and go, there is peer pressure to not leave the group.  The similarities are uncanny.

Tuesday, March 3, 2020

Buy From Yourself?

Buy from yourself us a common teaching spread amongst Amway IBOS and while it makes sense to support your own business, the way it’s taught in Amway almost sounds retarded to a neutral observer.  The idea is to be your own best customer and that a McDonalds owner would not eat at Burger King.   It might sound sensible but in the bigger picture of business, it’s lame.

Nobody ever ran a successful business without real customers.  It might help to support your own business but no matter how much you buy, in the end, all the buyers are just customers of Amway.  So but all you want, Amway appreciates you.  In this sense, you’re just as much of a business owner as someone using a cash back credit card.  The difference is that a cash back card has no minimum quota like Amway and there is no training and functions needed for using a cash back credit card.

Also, the notion that one business owner would not patronize a competitor is silly.  I know people who own food establishments and they frequent other eating places on a regular basis because they get to try new things and see what their competitors are doing.  It’s silly to think that a McDonalds owner will only eat Big Macs the rest of his or her life.

The bottom line is you need a lot of real customers who make purchases in order to make profits and to be able to capitalize on Amway’s bonus scale.   Buying from yourself creates no profit and the fact that you support your business only puts profit in Amway’s coffers.  You think you profit buying from yourself is profitable because upline has fed you thus false doctrine.  When you buy from Amway, they profit and any perceived profit that you made really cane out of your own pocket, much like transferring money from your checking to savings and calling the transfer a profit.

If your upline us teaching this hoax of buying from yourself, read this article again and think twice before paying fir anymore of this type of ridiculous advice.   😃

Sunday, March 1, 2020

Fake It But Never Make It?

My upline used to tell the audience to fake it till you make it.  In other words to give the appearance of success to prospects until you actually become successful.  In other words put on a phony show in the hopes that you will be able to attract potential downline who would duplicate your efforts.  On the surface this may sound like a good idea but the bottom line is you are deceiving people that you hope to do business with,

If someone attracted me to a business under fake pretenses, it’s typically called fraud but Amway IBOS get away with it because they generally recruit friends and family who are unlikely to complain    or file any complaints.  The idea is to appear successful even if you’re not.  Sadly fir IBOS, putting up the appearance of success can be costly as you may be wearing a nice suit and watch while you live in debt and paycheck to paycheck.

Thus practice also contributes to Amway’s bad reputation as people eventually realize they may have been duped or mislead about the opportunity.  Add in the bad taste many people get from having wasted time and money on tools and functions and you can see how people can exit Amway feeling like they hit shysted or tricked by someone  they may have trusted.

Add in the fact that there is no true natural progression towards any true success and all you have is an Amway trail littered with dead bodies of people who may have tried to succeed only to fail and lose money.  But failure is not on the IBOS necessarily, because the Amway multi tiered system is designed to have a few ‘pins’ while the vast majority flounder in mediocrity and financial losses.  The outcome is easily predictable and expected to the trained observer.

Until then, Amway IBOs and uplines continue to prey on the hopes and dreams of hopeful people.  People who want to hope and believe that Amway is a shortcut to riches and early retirement.  Sadly it appears that Amway is the opposite.

Wednesday, February 26, 2020

What’s Your Bottom Line?

Sadly, I recently discovered that one of my friend’s adult kids have joined an MLM.  While it’s not Amway, the pitch is pretty much the same.  Buy the products, sell the products, and recruit like minded people to duplicate what you do.  It was eerily similar to Amway in that you are purchasing highly overpriced and likely overrated nutritional products.

I was not shown the compensation plan but more than likely, the rank and file distributors earn little and layers and layers of upline take the lion’s share of whatever bonus is generated by personal consumption and whatever customer sales that may occur.  Based on the prices I observed, I would guess that mainly sympathetic family and friends are the only ones making purchases to show support for the kids.

Now training and functions seemed to have been a part of the overall package although the distributors did not wear business attire to meetings.  But one common denominator was that the kids did not know what I meant when I queried them about profits and losses, as if I spoke in a foreign tongue.  I said surely a business owner tracks expenditures and income.  When it sounded like they didn’t understand what I was getting at, I asked what their bottom line looked like.

So I went on to explain that each week or month, they should be adding up all if their expenses and all of their income.  If the expenses exceed the income more often than not, then they are running a lose money business and need to determine how to adjust their actions to lower expenses and make more income,   It had not occurred to them that they should do this.  So like Amway and probably other MLMS, their financial guru uplines don’t teach business 101 to their down lines.

Uplines don’t teach their followers about the bottom line because the bottom line is bolded red ink.

Tuesday, February 25, 2020

The Standing Ovation?

One of the weird things I observed about Amway IBOS is how they worship the diamond as if he is some kind of divine being.  When you look at it logically, what has the diamond done to deserve such adulation?   The diamond qualified for the pin one time and possibly one time only.  Heck, Joecool was a 4000 pin.   Does that mean new IBOS should take counsel from me since I achieved a fairly high level?  Even if I’m not currently qualified?

Amway doesn’t say which diamonds are still qualified so nobody really knows.  And that is why you see former copies of bonus checks as evidence of success.  A current copy of a check would be better but still would not indicate what kinds of expenses that diamond had.

A good example would be my WWDB upline diamond who probably qualified diamond in the 1980’s.  Back then there was no internet and the business was very different than it is today.  That diamond also filed fir chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2009 or so but is still revered as having superior financial acumen.  But based on what track record?

Fir some reason the audiences just assume that the diamond is successful and wealthy without really knowing the financial status of these leaders.   Fir all we know these diamonds are paying mortgages and in debt like the rest of the US population.  Why would it be any different when these diamonds show off a lifestyle of excess and even encourage IBOS to get into debt to purchase tools and function tickets.  If you ask upline to verify their financial claims you’ll be told it’s none of your business.

If your diamond’s financials are none of your business then you should not consider displays of wealth as any kind of evidence of success.  More likely that diamond lives check to check like much of the rest of the population.  What other conclusion is logical?

Monday, February 24, 2020

My Upline Helps Me?

One of the things that my upline constantly emphasized was how Amway IBOS were helping people and that they were helping us to help people.  Now that sounds so selfless and altruistic on the surface until you step back and take a really close look at the details.  IBOS are often star struck by the upline diamond and often don’t notice that any help they receive from the diamond is help that they pay for in the form of an oboe recruitment meeting, a standing order or a function.  We could debate about how much help you get if you don’t cough up some dollars.

Secondly, do you call it help if you’re paying?   Is the plumber helping me or did I hire him to fix my pipes?   I guess you could call it help but somehow the shine is taken off the coating if you paid for the services.  But the way upline presents it, you’d think they flew or drove fast distances for free when in fact they are handsomely rewarded via honorariums or by other tool sales such as standing orders.

Are you really helping soneone if they sign up only to lose money by following upline advice?   Are you helping a prospect because you truly care about them or do you care more about the potential business that they might represent?  If you would not help them sans Amway then maybe your intentions are not as pure as you think.   I’m pretty sure that upline’s intentions are focused on business potential and nothing more.  To illustrate my point, how much help is given to a prospect who turns down Amway?  Isn’t the saying “some will, some won’t, who cares, next”?   Is that the slogan of soneone who really wants to help soneone?  It sounds conditional to me.

So for those holier than thou Amway folks, is your upline really helping you and prospects or are they being courteous to you and other prospects simply because you represent potential future business to them much like a car salesman?   How much help do you get if you miss functions and don’t buy tools?  I think the answer to this will allow you to conclude the truth about your upline.  They don’t give a crap about you unless you are buying tools.  Sorry if the truth hurts.

Sunday, February 23, 2020


One of the biggest things taught by upline was accountability.  If you said something, then be good to your word and get it done.  Be a man of your word so to speak.  In business that seems to be good common sense and who would want to do business with someone who can’t keep their word.  But it’s all a “do as I say and not as I do” situation with upline.

Upline expects downline to meet their PV defacto quotas and to buy tools and attend all functions and meetings.  After all, business just works out better when everyone keeps their word right?  But what about upline?   Where is their accountability?  They ask you to trust them and invest your time and money into the business and to follow their advice but who holds the upline accountable?  Why does upline seemingly get a pass on their accountability, especially when their advice costs you money?

Seems gray upline somehow skated past accountability by blaming downline for their own failure even if the downline follows the advice down to the last detail.  That’s the sinister part about upline.  They give you advice that you pay for and then blame you if their advice fails.  Think about this, other than feeling pumped up a bit, did any function directly result in more sales or more downline that you sponsored or did the function just leave another hole in your savings account?  Or worse, did you go in debt to attend an ineffective function?

It puzzles me how upline gets paid for their valuable advice but nobody calls out upline when it doesn’t work.  If you buy something at a store and it doesn’t work, you take it back for a refund. If upline advice fails you, why not hold them accountable and ask for your money back.  Surely a wealthy diamond can afford to refund money for ineffective advice?  

Friday, February 21, 2020

All The Motivation You Need?

It seems to me that the Amway business became a never ending series of meetings and rah rah speeches designed to motivate the rank and file IBOS.  I suppose that so much motivation is needed because the vast majority of IBOS are losing money chasing the Amway dream.  But a nice story told by the diamond can get a low ranked IBO to hang in there and attend a few more functions and listen to more audios.  Of course those actions benefit upline more than the IBO.   If IBOS were to just walk away, diamond income would be affected,

But what motivates business people?  How about net profits and having more money at the end of the month than when you started.  I know that would have excited my to be cash positive in Amway.  But because nearly all IBOS are losing money, upline must devise ways to trick people in signing up and then staying on board.  Let me illustrate this:

When being recruited, I was told about how Amway was low overhead and that profits could be made quickly in addition to saving money by using Amway products.  Then after you get in, you’re told that business owners commonly lose money fir a number of years until the business it built.  It becomes an eloquent game of bait and switch for the upline and downline.   Sell them on quick profits and savings and then tell them about being a real business owner with real expenses.  It works because the upline are taught to trust and believe in upline.

The claim is that upline has your best interest at heart.  But I guess one more lie told by upline escapes many rank and file IBOS once they put their hope and trust in the upline.  And it works because people want to believe that 2-5 years of hard work will lead to retirement and financial freedom.  Sadly it usually ends in business losses and additional debt.

Thursday, February 20, 2020

The Tool Scam?

What I didn’t catch right away as an IBO and what many Amway IBOS and prospects don’t notice is that functions and support materials sold by the upline diamond is the real Amway business and the Amway products are actually secondary in many cases.  Think about it, rock stars make their fortunes by selling audios and concerts.  Amway diamonds sell audios and function tickets among other things such as voice mail systems and other materials.

And with food for thought, audios cost cents to produce and a function is similar to a concert.  Another thought for the Amway faithful is this:  are these materials helping you to sell more products and to increase your business income or are these expenses becoming the reason you are losing money in your business?  If you are paying for this training and motivation, then shouldn’t your business be growing each month?  If not, why not?   And if not, why keep paying for ineffective training?   Since the diamonds have much to gain with down line success, why aren’t any of the training sessions free?  I think you get the idea.

Approximately 10 years ago, a triple diamond filed to chapter 7 bankruptcy and the documents were public.  They diamond made just as much from tools and functions as from Amway.  Now you might ask what’s wrong with paying for advice?  Maybe nothing but making payments monthly or weekly for advice should result is some kind of success.  Where is that success or where’s the fruit on the tree, as some diamonds used to say,  the tree is withering and dying apparently.  

It’s very simple.  The diamonds entice people to join by implying test untold wealth and lifestyles can be yours by using and selling Amway stuff and you too can be wealthy if only you will dedicate yourself to following the advice that they can give you.  And that my friends, is the Amway tool scam.

Wednesday, February 19, 2020

The Illusion?

Many people have seen a magic show or an illusionist.  Most people are amazed with the show but at the same time they realize that it’s a show and that you can’t really saw people in half or make an elephant appear out of nowhere.  I believe it’s no different in Amway but so many prospects do not realize that the diamonds are just putting on a show.  They are showing prospects the illusion of wealth.

If you lived next door to an average diamond or did their taxes for them you would likely see right through the facade.  You would see the nice suits and appearances at a function but these diamonds likely go home to middle class houses and an otherwise normal lifestyle.  Potential recruits only see the show and think these folks live a first class lifestyle every day.  Of course it’s hard to sell people on an opportunity if you aren’t showing fancy things and lifestyles.

Let’s say a diamond makes $250k each year and has a wife and two kids.  After taxes and other things such as medical insurance and business expenses a diamond might still have a decent income of perhaps 6-8 thousand per month.  But that kind of income cant purchase homes and sports cars in cash, let alone fabulous vacations.  And if that diamond in a faithful church goer as many claim to be,  10% of their income should be tithed to the church.

So if you sit and carefully consider what I’ve pointed out here, how can a diamond retire and enjoy life knowing that downline are quitting the business daily?  Never mind the thought of actually investing into a IRA for the future.   No, the exalted diamond lifestyle is more than likely very ordinary although you can argue that not having a job is awesome. But as my upline diamond once said, what good is your freedom if you don’t have enough money to do anything you want?  That is likely the case for an average diamond.

Tuesday, February 18, 2020

Why Amway?

I’m actually shocked that the Amway scam is still going on.  That people are still being dazzled with “the dream” and still perpetuating this business with an influx of new recruits.  Not it does seem as if function venues are getting smaller and due to easily available information, people can look into Amway and get enough information to make an informed decision.

But why do Amway in the first place?  The stock market is on an amazing bull run and there are opportunities all over the place.  Anyone willing to work hard and persevere can succeed in the US.  Most Amway recruits seem motivated and willing to work.

But the flaw in many recruits is that that want pixie dust.  In other words they want a short cut to retirement and riches.  Creating wealth takes some time and effort and that is the reality.  Unless you invent some fad or get some kind of lucky break, most people can’t retire until 60 or so.  And that just isn’t sexy.

To Amway recruits, I ask this.  Where are all the Amway retirees?  I know retired fire fighters, police, government employees and banking people but I don’t know any Amway retirees.  Sure, people assume that diamonds are retired and living large but why don’t any of them walk away to enjoy residual wealth?   Instead, diamonds stay on duty until death is so it seems.  That should be serious food for thought fir Amway prospects.  So I ask again.  Why Amway?

Wednesday, February 12, 2020

How You Get Sucked In?

Amway in conversation or on paper in a plan might seem reasonable, logical and sensible but it’s all in the pitch.  The pitch is carefully designed to suck you in.  They’ll say you make money and save money in Amway.  Who doesn’t desire those things?   It makes sense until you realize that you wind up spending more and losing money in Amway.

It also sounds great that you can possibly get wealthy and live the care feee diamond lifestyle.  But who has really taken a good look behind the scenes of a diamond lifestyle?  Fir all we know, diamonds are in debt portraying a rich lifestyle while they might be riddled with debt.  After all, Americans are generally in debt.  Why would a diamond living an excessive lifestyle be exempt from debt?

Where are all these Amway retirees who wake up at noon and play all day?  Do they exist at all?  The math in my opinion says no.  But I will admit that shining off wealth is a good way to suck people into the business opportunity.  Who doesn’t want early retirement and a care free wealthy life?  Sadly the diamond uses this to entice people into investing in a business where failure is nearly assumed but that failure helps to fuel the diamond illusion.

Are done diamonds possibly wealthy?  Sure, but that doesn’t mean rank and file IBOS will sign up and achieve the same results.  And even if you did, are you willing to sucker people into the business so you can profit?  I can’t fathom doing that to anyone so maybe a lack of conscience is a needed trait  to go diamond?  

Monday, February 10, 2020

Building It Right?

When I was at IBO many years ago, I heard the term “build it right”.  I suppose that means you build your business based on parameters that your upline advised.  My business at the time had the correct parameters and I was edified as a qualified “eagle” which meant I had a certain number of down line attending functions and participating in the tools system.  Basically it seemed that building your business right meant your upline diamond was making tool income off your group.

Thus building your business right is more beneficial to your upline than yourself.  Rank and file IBOS do not get to participate in the payout gif tools, only for product volume.  And even product volume rebates are heavily slanted to upline and not to the IBOS who moved the volume.  It is for these reasons that the vast majority of IBOS wind up with financial losses for  their efforts.

Another piece of food for thought is how diamonds quit, fall out of qualification or resign.  Does that mean these diamonds who teach “build it right” were unable to do do themselves?  Why don’t diamonds walk away from Amway to enjoy residual income fir life?  Is it because they too are unable to build it right?  Why do diamonds seemingly die on the job rather than in quiet retirement surrounded by luxuries?

In my opinion it is because the entire business and teaching systems are just a scam and there is no serious way to just build it right.  It’s why the IBO failure rate is high and why diamonds don’t enjoy luxurious retirements.  The diamond lifestyle that’s portrayed at functions is mostly a dig and pony show.

Friday, February 7, 2020

Stealing Dreams?

Some debates over Amway recently churned up some accusations once again about critics being "dream stealers". I thought I would address this but first I wanted to print the definition of a dream from

[dreem] Show IPA noun, verb, dreamed or dreamt, dream⋅ing, adjective 
Use dreams in a Sentence
1. a succession of images, thoughts, or emotions passing through the mind during sleep.
2. the sleeping state in which this occurs. 
3. an object seen in a dream. 
4. an involuntary vision occurring to a person when awake. 
5. a vision voluntarily indulged in while awake; daydream; reverie. 
6. an aspiration; goal; aim: A trip to Europe is his dream. 
7. a wild or vain fancy. 
8. something of an unreal beauty, charm, or excellence. 

–verb (used without object) 9. to have a dream. 
10. to indulge in daydreams or reveries: He dreamed about vacation plans when he should have been working. 
11. to think or conceive of something in a very remote way (usually fol. by of): I wouldn't dream of asking them. 

–verb (used with object) 12. to see or imagine in sleep or in a vision. 
13. to imagine as if in a dream; fancy; suppose. 
14. to pass or spend (time) in dreaming (often fol. by away): to dream away the afternoon.

–adjective 15. most desirable; ideal: a dream vacation. 

—Verb phrase
16. dream up, to form in the imagination; devise: They dreamed up the most impossible plan. 


Based on these definitions, I do not see how it is possible for anyone to steal a dream. This dream stealing verbage is just more upline propaganda designed to get IBOs to shut off their critical thinking skills and to blindly commit themselves to buying more standing orders and function tickets, whose profit goes into the pockets of your beloved upline leaders. It the the upline's concern likely because the upline is selling dreams! Selling unrealistic dreams of retiring and walking the beaches of the world. Dreams that will never come true for the vast majority of IBOs. 

I believe #6 is the most appropriate definition for an IBO. A long term goal. But if an IBO's long term goal is retirement and riches, they should analyze their involvement in the Amway business and determine if that is the appropriate vehicle to achieve their goals. For the vast majority of people, this is not the appropriate vehicle and facts confirm this. It's a matter of whether or not an IBO was told to ignore the facts by his/her upline.

Tuesday, February 4, 2020

But My Upline Diamond Is Rich!

Serious question for Amway IBOS.  How would you know?  Does your diamond let you see tax returns or bank balances?  Or do you simply assume that the diamond is rich because they are on stage talking big and showing you pictures of nice cars and jones?  I can stand on stage in a suit and do the same thing.  But for some reason, IBOS just blindly believe because we’ll, they want to believe.  They need to believe that 2-5 years of work can result in fabulous wealth and early retirement.

Without the hope that the diamond dream provides, there would be no good reason for anyone to join Amway.  Who would want to peddle household goods at premium prices if not for a big reward as the  end goal.  People wasn’t to believe that they can achieve the same things as the diamond.  I was an IBO at one time and there’s no way I would join if a middle class lifestyle was the goal.  And that’s where the scam is played out by the upline.

Join Amway and felt rich.  A few years of work and dedication will get it done.  I the diamond have the secret to success and achieving diamond but you must subscribe to my system of audios and functions so I can teach you these secrets.  In the meantime the diamond is making his bank from selling audios and function tickets while nearly all down line are losing money because of the cost of the training that does not work.

For the IBOS and prospects who think the upline diamond is rich beyond belief, I ask this question.  How in the world would you know?

Monday, February 3, 2020

Doomed From The Start?

So many people join Amway with high hopes and dreams.  It’s no wonder considering how the recruitment meetings go.  Prospects are filled with delusions of untold wealth and retiring at the age of 29.  They are shown displays of wealth from the diamonds who allegedly live a jet set lifestyle with money just rolling in.

I believe a look at reality would be bad for recruiting new people into Amway so they are shown glimpses of wealth that the diamonds allegedly have obtained from the Amway businesses.  But when you study Amway’s own disclosures, you’ll see that diamonds might make a decent income of perhaps 100 to 200k annually but that is gross income.  Taxes, medical coverage and business expenses likely eat up a lot if a diamond’s income, leaving them in debt like most Americans or perhaps a middle class lifestyle at best.

Again, do the math yourself and it’s hard to reach any other conclusion.  Imagine a family of four with a gross income of $200k.  After taxes, medical coverage, and business expenses, it East to see that they aren’t buying mansions with cash payments.  They likely aren’t even buying a nice car in cash.  Sure, some tenured long time double diamonds might have a nice life but these are the exceptions and not the rule.

If not, why is my former diamond (Harimoti) still only a diamond more than 20 years since I left Amway?  I even heard that he fell back to emerald for a while which raises sustainability questions.

The truth is that most IBOS are doomed from the start.  They peddle average products at premium prices.  They also have negative cash flow because of the inefficient training system.  Just because a few new people manage to achieve higher levels doesn’t change the fact that more than 99% of all IBOS make nothing or lose money, because they are doomed from the start.

Saturday, February 1, 2020

Ask Upline?

One of the really weird things I experienced in Amway was this concept of checking upline.  Sure as a newbie your upline will be reasonable and flexible but once you start to get committed to the system, it starts to become cult like in some ways.  Many former IBOS have confirmed this experience and it seems pretty common.  It sounds strange to a passer by but thus really goes on in the world of Amway.

I recall being an up and coming IBO and I was getting accolades and getting some time to spend with the upline diamond. It seemed cool but as I look back I think WTH?  My upline sponsor started to teach about submission to upline and that any life or business decision should first be consulted with up line.  I thought why should I ask permission to buy a new car or to get married as if upline were my parents who were still supporting me or something.

But when I figured out the scam it made sense.  Upline very likely wanted to make sure that you had enough cash flow to buy standing orders and function tickers because that was their livelihood.  If you bought a new car, you might not be able to afford functions.  If you had a child, maybe you couldn’t attend functions.  It’s scary to think that the trusted upline would be so insidious but that because crystal clear to me eventually.

So you see folks, upline might verbally say they care about you and want your success but what they really want is to ensure that their income from standing orders and functions keeps flowing without interruption.  Think about it and do the math.  I can’t see any other reasonable conclusion.

Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Amway And Lying?

How many times have I seen or heard of IBOS lying or trying to trick someone into seeing a plan or trying to get someone interested in Amway.  It almost becomes comical when you see tired old lines being used.  I used to call it tapespeak because most likely the IBO heard it at a meeting or function or on a tape or audio of some sort.

What is amazing is how some IBOS and their leaders can think that deceiving a prospect is a good idea.  In the long term it’s bad for business and significantly affects the Amway reputation in a negative way.  I mean who wants to join up in business with people who lied to you?  And for that matter, the same can be said if Amway apologists who also lie or tell half truths to defend Amway.

But the reason for lies, half truths, deception and other strategies is because the truth about Amway just isn’t pretty.  You can put lipstick on a pig but in the end it’s still a pig.  You can fluff up Amway and the opportunity but in the end, about half of all IBOS do nothing and 99% of IBOs or more make nothing or lose money.  Factor in expenses for tools and functions and time spent and Amway becomes a financial disaster for many.

If you’re an IBO, be honest with yourself.  Do you use the curiosity approach or leave out some information in the hopes of attracting people to the plan?  Do you fake success as advised by upline?  Do you hide the name Amway unless asked first?  If so, you are part of the problem and not the solution.  

Sunday, January 26, 2020

Amway? LOL!

If I got paid fir each time some IBO came here shooting off their mouths I’d be Uber wealthy!  How many times have I heard that I’ll be sorry and in a few months some newbie will be retired at the age of 29 making 10k per month or more?   How many times have I heard that so and so will be diamond and will be back to rub it in my face.   Well, I’m still standing and waiting.

I recall a newbie Amway IBO offering me a wager that his diamond makes more money while taking a crap in the morning than I make all year.  When I showed the math, that IBO disappeared never to be heard from again.  What many folks don’t get is that many diamonds don’t make that much money and even if they have a nice income, they likely make much of it from selling function tickets and standing orders.  

Also, a diamond lifestyle if you will, is a life of excess that likely has many diamonds living check to check and possibly living in debt themselves.  Do the math yourself.  Try and look how much it costs to fly first class for a family of four.  Are speaking fees so lucrative that diamond families fly first class all the time?  The math says no.

I’ve also heard reports of big pins living in below average neighborhoods and there were some diamonds who had homes foreclosed and one triple diamond who filed chapter 7 bankruptcy some years ago.  As information is easier to get, I’ve also heard about Amway functions getting smaller and groups shrinking.  That means the diamond lifestyle is even harder to maintain than ever.  I wish I could say I feel sorry for the diamonds but all I can say is LOL.   😃

Friday, January 24, 2020

Amway and Lawsuits?

Someone recently left a comment on this blog about how Amway defenders would often threaten to sue Amway critics.   It is true and I was threatened and harassed at one time by zealous Amway defenders because they claimed that I was damaging their business or that a prospect read my blog and decided not to join.  I had to LOL at that.  Amway zealots would never try to sue a critic for the following reasons:

The discovery process would likely get them laughed out of court or their case would be so weak that the courts would toss the case.  I am only sharing my experiences on this blog and my informed opinions.  I have a right to free speech as do others who have an opinion about Amway, good or bad.  Also, some of the facts I refer to com from so what is there to dispute?  It’s a fact that most IBOs do little or nothing which leads to my next point.

How would someone prove damages when most IBOs do nothing?   How could zero potential business add up to damages?  Also, most prospects don’t sign up but it’s for various reasons and not because of some blog about Amway?    Many people know others who had bad experiences and word of mouth advertising is pretty powerful.   How about stats from Amway that show a tiny fraction of 1% reach any levels that might be profitable?  

How many IBIs have come and gone from this very blog shooting off their mouths about going diamond only to be never heard from again shortly after?  Yet here is Joecool continuing to post articles so Amway information seekers can gain a perspective from people who participated in Amway, achieved some degree of success and were let down by upline assurances of success.  I have nothing to gain and receive no compensation for running this blog.  I do it as a public service.

Comments are welcome!   😃

Tuesday, January 21, 2020

Be Accountable?

 Being accountable was one of the key teaching back in my Amway IBO days.  That you needed to keep your word and do what you said you would.   For the most part this sounds like a good thing, especially in business.  Right?     Be a man of your word.  But like much of Amway it sounds good until you try to apply it.

For one thing, the up line who teaches this doctrine aren’t held accountable.   Where’s the fruit on the tree and trail of success?   Why don’t goops and functions lead to more sales and results?  Why do IBOs who do as they are told but fail get the blame?   Where is up line when this happens?  Up line. Sure is quick to take credit and pat themselves on the back.

Another issue is that some things that an IBO is expected to do is out of their immediate control and there are bumps in the road caused by the Amway reputation such as negativity.  You can’t force people to see the plan, sign up or buy Amway stuff but it’s part of upline expectations if you want to succeed.   Miss a few of these vital steps and suddenly a promising young IBO is a failure who has nobody to blame but himself.  

So I ask, where is the upline accountably?   The system doesn’t churn out the results and expectations that are shown in recruitment meetings.   Who is accountable for that?  The downline?  I don’t think so.  😩

Friday, January 17, 2020

Blame Yourself, Not Amway?

One of the things Amway IBOs are taught by their "great" diamond leaders is to blame themselves for not working the business hard enough or not doing things exactly right, even if they do exactly as upline advised. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. Many people put forth tremendous effort but still do not succeed.  But uplines want to be absolved from any responsibility so they teach downline that failure in Amway is their own (The downline's) fault. Upline however, is quick to take credit for any success, even if minimal.  

But the reason is why hard work doesn't equal success is because an Amway IBO is basically a commissioned sales person. In commissioned sales, one can work hard for no reward and at times, little effort may reap large rewards. But in Amway, with a crappy reputation, Amway IBOs are given a handicap that most simply cannot overcome. Getting new people to recruitment meetings is hard enough, not even factoring in the abililty to sponsor others. When factoring in these tidbits, it's easy to see why uplines teach buy from yourself and selling is not important. It deflects the fact that selling is nearly impossible with less than competitive prices (in general)

Additionally, IBOs are encouraged to join the "system" such as WWDB, LTD, N21, etc.  The system costs money and teaches IBOs to engage is many non income producing activities such as attending countless meetings and functions that do not result in increased sales volume.  Imagine a store owner whose store was constantly closed so the owner could meet with other owners and/or someone who encourages them to do things that don't produce sales volume.  That store owner would fail, which is what at least 99+% of Amway IBOs do. 

The work involved is very simple. Sell products and get other IBOs in your downline to be able to leverage your volume. Many Amway IBOs work hard and attend all of the functions and do all of the steps as outlined by upline, but very few reap rewards and most quit when they realize that the system doesn't work. It is sad that on top of losing money, that IBOs are also taught to blame themselves for their demise. Where is the upline when IBOs bust their butts working hard and get no rewards? On top of that, to make it worse, uplines profit from selling training and motivation to their downlines. Why aren't they held acountable?   

I've read comments by some Amway defenders wanting to sue Amway critics for a potential loss of business. But most critics, like myself are simply stating our experiences and opinions. Many of which are true and still happening today. So I will ask, what about the millions of former IBOs who may have lost billions of dollars because of false claims which led them to believe that they would get rich following upline advice? Maybe former IBOs should unite and file claims against unethical upline leaders who led them astray?   How can IBOs lose business from a critic when the vast majority do nothing and/or ultimately fail anyway?

In any case, hard work doesn't equate success in Amway and I dare anyone to try to prove me wrong.