Wednesday, December 22, 2010

Upline Credentials?

I recently read a comment from an Amway zealot on another blog. She mentions that someone's credentials must be considered when looking at information that is presented. I will comment that showing me a sports car or a fancy suit is not proof of financial success. Telling the audience that you buy homes in cash is not proof either. In fact, some of these diamonds were found to have their homes foreclosed and some had financial difficulty, even though they at times had shown off pictures of their lifestyles. I believe that many diamonds are likely to be more like the general US population - in debt. In debt trying to portray a lifestyle that is unsustainable with their Amway and Amway related income.

I find this subject ironic because not one single upline leader, as far as I know, has ever supplied bonafide credentials about themselves. The audience assumes that the person on stage has certain credentials, but do they really? I will say that certainly, if someone is wearing a diamond pin for example, that this person has at least achieved the diamond level as recognized by Amway, but the level may not be current, and the level doesn't indicate the kind of income this person earns from Amway. (Joecool is criticized for being outdated even though I was at 4000 PV at one point in my Amway career)

What many people assume is that the diamonds buy homes and cars in cash, that they wake up at noon every day and participate in leisure activities all day while the cash rolls in. I have heard from some new IBOs, that their upline makes more money taking a crap in the morning than a critic makes in a whole year at a job. That IBO became quiet when some critics offered to take that bet.

But the truth of the matter is that as far as I know, only former diamonds have come clean about their Amway income. They are the only ones who spoke of credentials and accomplishments. Even critics of Amway will often openly speak about their experiences and achieved levels in the business. In the REAL business world, showing business tax returns and credentials are a normal part of doing business. It appears that only in the world of Amway is the supply of credentials and financial statements a big secret. Now I am not suggesting that IBOs or upline leaders should disclose their financials to the entire world, but certainly prospects and some downline should be able to see what their upline is doing financially, especially if that is the basis for purchasing their standing orders and function tickets. And I refer to business (Amway and Tools) income and expenses only, not from other personal sources.

I believe that IBOs and upline leaders do not disclose that information because it would not be beneficial to them. If it were, they would likely publish it freely, just as they flash around copies of checks. IBOs and prospects should take this to heart and ask upline the tough questions


Anonymous said...

They show people pictures and videos of material things that they own to make you think that they are rich and brag about how they have the freedom to do anything they want. It is all a sham, nothing more nothing less. If it was true, they would provide full disclosure of at the very least their BUSINESS income and in doing so IF they were as successful as they portray themselves to be people would be lining up to be in their downline. Instead they tell lies and show material things that are just window dressing bought with borrowed money.
This business is a scam and it is my hope that blogs like this save people from getting involved in something that will suck you dry of your money and your life.

****Former WWDB Lemming****

Joecool said...

A very prominent WWDB diamond (G. Duncan) used to tell the audience I sat in that paying interest to banks was stupid. That diamonds pay for everything in cash. We later find out he was mortgaged to the hilt on his Montana properties. Makes you wonder what else wasn't true.

Anonymous said...

Greg was my upline Diamond and I heard him speak quite a fews times at FED, Dream Night and other functions. He is a liar and a great example of how these guys portray a lifestyle and way of life that they do NOT have. Things have not changed since I was an IBO 17 years ago.

***Former WWDB Lemming***