Do the work once and reap the rewards for life. Lifelong willable passive/residual income. These are some of the things that attracted me to the Amway opportunity. That I could do the work, and have the option of sitting back, enjoying a fabulous lifestyle of riches and never have to work again. I could wake up at noon if I chose to, and/or I could stay out late hanging out with my "free" Amway buddies.
It sounds great on the surface, however, when you analyze a diamond's income and look at things carefully, you can see where this lifestyle is just not possible. Even if a diamond earned $250,000 a year from Amway and the tools income, after considering taxes, business expenses and other necessities such as medical insurance and retirement savings, you don't have enough left to live what is often portrayed as a "diamond" lifestyle. Also, keep in mind that a lot of a diamond's income is received in the form of an annual bonus so a diamond's monthly income might be relatively small.
One could also wonder why there aren't any diamonds (that I know of) who have actually walked away from their businesses and continue to collect any significant income from Amway. With more than half of all IBOs not staying in business for a year and about 95% of the rest of the IBOs being gone several years later, it would be an insurmountable task to keep your income rolling in with that poor retention rate. As far as I know, an IBO also need to have a minimal amount of side volume in order to qualify for certain significant payments/bonuses. That is a lot of volume to move when IBOs are quitting the business daily, and these days, it seems as though there are fewer IBOs getting involved, at least in the US and Canada.
It is for that reason, I believe these crown ambassadors and higher level pins are still working. Once you stop, it is very likely that there is no tool income, and once your downline starts to suffer attrition, then you Amway income and bonuses will eventually dry up as well. I believe there is no true residual income in Amway. Sure, build a big business and walk away. You may continue to receive some income for a while, but eventually, it will disappear. It is like building a sandcastle on the beach. The bigger you build it, the longer it will last, but it is for certain that the tide will eventually wash the sand away, just as time and attrition will eat away your Amway business. If you are popular and charismatic enough to attract a large downine, once you leave, so will your downline.
As far as I am concerned, I believe the residual income claims from Amway is just a long running myth used to attract recruits. I don't know of anyone who built a large Amway business and then walked away, and is still collecting a significant income. Do you?
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I started reading your article and it started out great until you said 'but'. That 'but' is what makes people quit. It sounds great on the surface, but... I learned an important lesson when it comes to the intellectual person. Quite often, intellectual people are the most self deceived of all. They use reasoning without borders which opens room to doubts and self deceptions. The less intellectual or cultivated on the other hand, tend to be meek, open and teachable. The intellectual in general tend to be proud while the less cultivated tend to be humble. How humble were you? Did you follow the system or did you rebel against it out of pride? If you were to dedicate yourself in building this business just as you did over the last couple of years in writing deceptive, trash quality stories about Amway, you would have earned your way to Diamond. You would have earned your time, money, freedom and all the blessings that come with it. Your pride and 'buts' are what instilled lies and hate towards Amway and anyone who has anything to do with Amway or who was shown this business opportunity. As a Christian, I know that pride is the mother of all sins. It is your pride that is causing you to sin in your thinking, in your attitude, in your actions. You need Jesus Christ to wash you clean of your sins and then you need to repent. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ?
Anonymous coward from Canada, I do not see the word "but" in this entire post. What are you talking about?
Since you are into semantics, lets go there. Why do speakers and Amway leaders always use the word "if"? If you follow the system and if you follow upline advice you will succeed. Then when an IBO follow advice and fails, that IBO is told that they should not follow the advice blindly, that they should discern what advice is good and what is not. What a bunch of crap.
Anon from Canada, tell me why you want to know my age and I will consider disclosing it.
On second thought Anon, you act like you know who I am so figure it out yourself.
Anonymous - I didn't realize you needed to be a Christian in order to build an Amway business. Where is that stated in the Rules of Conduct?
Amthrax, your point has no connection with this discussion at all. Rather, I was telling Joecool that his pride has blinded him from seeing the truth.
Joecool, if you think that I know who you are, let's do this to find out for sure. On a scale of 1 to 10, how humble are you Joecool?
Anonymous cowardly poster from Canada, please tell us your version of the truth.
I am so sick of IBO's spiritualizing "the biz." It's just another tactic to manipulate people to joining the cult known as Amway. Christians and Mormons are the most common, yet their beliefs are so radically different. I know people who have joined amway because of it's "god fearing christian leaders." right, still waiting to see that in the way they treat people who aren't in the biz. Sin is sin anon. Loving money and being greedy is also a sin. A sin which unfortunately I hear most IBO's raving about. How much MONEY they will make. Freedom comes from Jesus' death and resurrection NOT from having MONEY and retiring at the age of 30. That is my biggest problem with the biz before I even get into my issue with the manipulation and lying that occurs.
Right on Ashley! Our former Platinum is a very religious man, no work on the lord's day, yet he is an arrogant sack of shit who worships money. He didn’t care about us or our success. The only thing he wanted was to sell us websites, voice mail systems, books, CD’s, standing orders for Amway products, and buy tickets to functions. And preach religion like the good cult leader he is.
If the anonymous cowardly poster from Canada put in as much effort to building his business as he does reading and responding to blogs, then surely he'd be a Diamond by now. Only takes 2 years? The previously mentioned sack of shit has been in it for 20 years and hasn't gotten there yet.
i think ashley stole all the words from me. i'm going to cry! :'(
Joecool, there is nothing wrong with being honest about how you would rate yourself on how humble you are on a scale of 1 to 10. What stops you from rating yourself openly and sincerely?
Ashley, may God bless you child, but you are self deceived on many levels without you even realizing it.
The first level is when you claim that loving money is a sin. Don't you love choice? Money gives choices, good or bad. That is why you love money. How you choose though, is entirely up to you. That is the beauty of choice, it holds you accountable to your own actions, good or bad. Money is not a sin. Money has nothing to do with choice, it is just a means of exchange. Loving money for the wrong reasons (choices) though, is a sin. A true Christian understands this but a religious person does not. A true Christian does not have a problem with money itself, only a religious person does. A religious person prides herself on her own understanding alone because she thinks that she is "a good person" regardless of whether or not she accepts what Jesus Christ did for her salvation. A religious person is not a Christian, but a hypocrite in disguise.
I once was at a Baptist church on the Sabbath service (question for you; when is the Biblical Sabbath?) and I was shocked to see the reaction of the audience towards money when the pastor shouted Matthew 6:24 from the pulpit. The audience erupted in a frenzy shouting 'YES, AMEN!' without even knowing what they were really saying 'yes' to. These same people were earlier on talking at the Sabbath dinner about situations at the work place/home and how bad it was for that guy or girl who has big money problems and is bordering on bankruptcy. Looking around, you could see the misery, the poverty, the fear and the desperation in the congregation. Later on I learned that the congregation was going through deeper crisis because of several gossiping incidents. Is this the real church of Jesus Christ? I don't think so!
I learned another important lesson there. Churches tend to attract poor people in general because these people find great comfort being around other poor people. Rich people find great comfort in taking leadership in excellence and when they show up for church service, they keep it objective and to the point. They don't indulge in poverty mentality. Today's churches do the exact opposite. They keep their congregation in poverty both, spiritual and materialistic. They preach religious doctrine instead of the real Bible. They preach that God is great and that everyone goes to Heaven but fail to preach that repentance is mandatory to qualify for Heaven (Luke 13:5)! They preach that money is evil when Ecclesiastes 10:19 says that money answers everything! Second, you confuse spiritual freedom with materialistic freedom. The resurrection of Jesus Christ and his atonement for man's sins has nothing to do with materialistic freedom. Materialistic freedom is not wrong as long as you don't use it for sinful purposes. There is nothing wrong with saying how much money you will make. You said that too once before you became a religious person. There is nothing wrong with being financially free and retiring at age 30 either! Or do you think that age 65 is right? That's your belief and your choice. As for me, my choice is to not endure another 35 years or hardship at someone else's hand.
Ashley, as long as you continue to be a religious person instead of a Christian, you won't be able to enter God's kingdom.
Hey Joe.
As you know, most Amway diamonds make most of their money from books, cds and seminars.
I wonder how residual THAT money is...
If a Diamond quits going to seminars and conventions, does his upline continue to pay him over-rides on ticket sales and cd sales?
Methinks not.
Money is not a sin, but Timothy warns that the "love of money" is the root of all kinds of evil. He also says that it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven, because a rich man relies on his wealth and not on God. In Luke the rich young man telss Jesus he has kept all the commandments and Jesus tell him he lacks one thing. Go sell what you have, give to the poor and follow him. The rich young man could not do it because he had much.
Proverbs says better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse (diamonds lied about tool income).
Joecool, that is a very nice explanation but it is typical of a religious person instead of a true Christian. It is general and does not reflect the real issue. It is the same explanation given by today's churches when they talk about money. They try to portray that rich people are evil while poor people are noble. That is a deception. You can have a rich man who is closer to serving God than a poor man who is further from serving God. Being rich or poor has nothing to do with where you will spend eternity, either in Heaven or in Hell. It is rather one's spiritual condition that determines that. Luke 13:5 says that except you repent after accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, you will perish and go to Hell. That talks about your need of a Savior together with repentance as the only way to Heaven. Or about your rejection and the many ways to Hell. Such determines your spiritual condition. Ecclesiastes 10:19 says that money answers all things when it comes to your materialistic needs and desires. It doesn't say that it answers your spiritual needs or that it is evil to desire money and materialistic needs. In fact, God promises to bless all those who serve Him with an abundance of money and material wealth. For example, Malachi 3:10 says that ". . . 'Try Me now in this,' says the LORD of hosts, 'if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.'" Therefore, one can see that God is not against wealth, religion is. Religion wants to keep you poor and blind both, spiritually and materialistically while tricking you into believing and accepting that its message is the true path to God! Religion is deception, it is the work of Satan! Religion preaches that the harsh, stern God of the Old Testament has been superseded by the kind, loving God of the New Testament who demands an easy life such that poverty is not only noble but pleasing to God and a requirement to go to Heaven! That's what most church goers believe and preach but ironically, they whine a lot when it comes to how bad they are doing financially. Yet, they are eager to tell you to stay away from money as it causes all sorts of evils. That's crazy! No wonder that most church goers are poor, self deceived but deeply religious people! The church does an awesome job at that! So, going back to the original question Joecool, how you would rate yourself on how humble you are on a scale of 1 to 10? What stops you from rating yourself openly and sincerely?
The way to heaven is belief in and a relationship with Jesus Christ. But many diamonds make up crap like Amway is a God pleasing business or make themselves into false idols like dexter yager who gave a speech where he implied that he was God. The Bible never says God wants you to be rich. It may say prosper but that is not necessarily material wealth or money. Our church does not portray rich people as evail, rather that rich or poor, you need to steward what you have. A man with a 25,000 a year salary who lives comfortably is better off than a triple diamond who's bankrupt.
How can I rate myself when you did not specify what the 1-10 means?
The Bible never says God wants you to be rich? Did you read Malachi 3:10 that I have used as reference? What about Matthew 6:33? Matthew 6:33 says that if you seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness then financial and material wealth will come your way as a blessing. The Bible clearly indicates that God has blessed people with wealth. Also, keep in mind that some of the most holy and righteous people in the Bible were wealthy. God blessed Job with wealth after testing him. God blessed King Solomon with both wealth and wisdom. In fact, Solomon is considered the wealthiest person who has ever lived. God also blessed Abraham, Jacob and many others with wealth. So this indicates that God does not view being rich or having money as being sinful. If that were the case, He would not have blessed so many faithful people with money. God wants you to be rich, not just spiritually but materialistically as well. It occurs strange to me that you profess yourself to be a Christian and yet don't know about these things. As for your church and its teachings, I don't disagree, you need to steward what you have. But that doesn't mean that you can not have further ambitions down the road. Again, God has nothing against wealth and money but He is against the wrong use of such assets. God wants and is ready to bless you if you turn to Him. He will give you a renewed spirit, wisdom, peace of mind, joy, health and an abundance of money and riches. But you first must be right with God! To test that, we were talking about how you would rate yourself on how humble you are on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest.
Malachi 3:10 is where God is talking about tithing and says test me and I will open the flood gates of heaven and pour out a blessing that you cannot contain. It did not say money or material wealth. God's blessings can come in many ways.
Matthew 6:33 (NIV) says "And he will give you all you need from day to day if you llive for him and make the Kingdon of God your primary concern". It says nothing about money.
God did bless Solomon, but (1st kings 3:11) the Lord said he blessed Solomon abundantly because he asked for wisdom and not for riches. Job was a fiathful man of God. Lying and cheating diamonds cannot be compared to these men.
Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
The Pharisees were rich, but Jesus told the parable about the landowner to sent his son to collect what he was owed and the how the tenants killed the son.
1st Timothy 6:9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.
Proverbs 28:19-20
He who works his land will have abundant food, but one who chases fantasies will have his fill of poverty. A faithful man will be blessed but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished.
@ Poster: Judge me as you will but I know who I answer to, and it is most certainly not you and your judgements. Just to clarify... I never said having money was a sin. "Loving money and being greedy is also a sin." You are absolutely right, it can be a blessing and can be used to bless other people. Which is, as you said, your choice. My issue is the LOVE of money. Not money to bless his kingdom but to bless the IBO's that earn it. I can only speak of the IBO's that I have known and sadly, IBO's I have encountered and known personally, before "the biz" consumed them, talk more about how they will use their money to buy things for themselves. Like a houses and condo's, because you need both if you're going to be free right? They talk more about freedom in that money, then they do about their freedom in Christ which never used to be the case. It breaks my heart because these IBO's used to be so concerned with God's kingdom, but now they seemed more concerned with building their own...
And when I said "before the biz consumed them," I was referring to the fact that I knew them before they joined amway, not that they have always talked about how they will use their money.
Yes Joecool, blessings can come in many ways. However, you keep on having an issue with money itself. Also, your Matthew 6:33 is incorrectly translated in the New International Version of the Bible. The King James Version states in Matthew 6:33 that "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Compare that to the New International Version which says "And he will give you all you need from day to day if you live for him and make the Kingdom of God your primary concern" On the surface the two translations appear the same but there's a very subtle difference there which changes the message entirely. In King James Version, it says that blessings that can include money, wealth, and desires are granted as an extra to those who seek God first besides their daily needs. In New International Version it says that God cares only about your daily needs if you seek Him first. That's not the same message anymore. Is it a coincidence or does the wording appear innocent by reason of making the passage easier to understand? Satan, you know, can trick you in ways that appear ordinary and without much significance at first. Take for instance the divinity of Jesus Christ. John 3:16 states in King James Version that "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Compare that to the New International Version that states "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Again, on the surface the two passages look the same and appear to deliver the same message but that is false. New International Version does away with the divinity of Jesus Christ by removing the word BEGOTTEN and substituting that with "one and only Son". God does not have one son only, he has many sons AND daughters. But Jesus Christ is special because He is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. See Satan's trickery? It may not appear serious on the surface but that is one example of subtlety to deceive. So is Matthew 6:33 in New International Version "People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction." King James Version says that "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition." King James Version talks about the sad outcome of some already rich people. New International Version talks about the guaranteed outcome of all who are not already rich but aspire to be rich. Similar wordiness, big difference, it's not the same message anymore. And it's powerful, that's why most religious churches who preach Matthew 6:33 keep their congregation in a state of spiritual and materialistic poverty. They replace the truth with a lie and encourage their members to think, accept and preach that being or wanting to be rich is evil so then be poor because poor people are humble and God like! That's another deception. Again, Satan's trickery at work so beautifully mastered that most people overlook it and think that it means the same thing even when the wording is clear enough that it's not the case.
And lastly, Proverbs 28:20 in New International Version state that "A faithful man will be blessed but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished." but King James Versions states that "A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent." Similar wordiness but again, completely different meaning. According to New International Version, simply desiring to be rich qualifies you for punishment. Effective fear control strategy to keep your congregation in poverty. But King James Version states that some men who aspire to be rich will do so by breaking God's laws of purity and morality. It does not generalize it because if it did then sin itself would be indistinguishable from divine righteousness.
That's why I only use the King James Version Bible which is the only authorized version staying truthful to the original language in which the Bible was written. This resource helps better explain the issue http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdefns.htm
Anonymous Poster from Canada, you have been schooled. The Bible, no matter what version clearly does nto say God wants men to be "rich". Obviously, some people in the Bible were wealthy, but many were also poor. If you actually understand the Bible, you will notice that Jesus did not hang out with the rich and famous. God wants to bless his faithful believers, but not necessarily in cash.
It is obvious that greed and the lust for money is not something that God approves of. But that is the kinds of desires that are raised up in Amway functions when they promote residual income, barrels of cash rolling in, mansions, ferraris, jets and vacations. Ever hear of a function called "dream night"?
I also suspect that some diamonds are wolves in sheeps clothing as a diamond income cannot sustain the lifestyles they often portray.
I think Satan has tricked poster into thinking he will get rich with Amway.
Joecool, thank you for your answer. Your answer has not changed much from the beginning of our discussion. Looking through your blog and others that you are/have been running, neither have your intentions. Your words alone seem to indicate that you are not a Christian but rather a religious person. Religious persons are some of the biggest hypocrites in the world. They only appear righteous when it suits them well. "you have been schooled" seems to be your favorite line every time someone points out to you that you are in error and need to correct yourself. Instead of saying "Sir/Madam, I am sorry, let me check again and if indeed wrong, I will correct my views and if possible, my mistakes", you continue to be defiant and step into even bigger errors. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe you are a proud man? I have asked you several times how you would rate yourself on how humble you are on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest and every time you have avoided to answer that question directly. Well, don't worry about it now because you have already answered it indirectly. Truth is that you are a PROUD man Joecool! Proverbs 16:18 says that pride comes before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall. You have a spirit of pride Joecool! And with pride comes rebellion which brings all sorts of evil such as lies, deception and adultery. Pride is the mother of all sins and rightfully so. I understand that you will continue to defend yourself as being a true Christian so let us find out for sure. If you were to die tonight and God were to ask you 'why should I let you in my kingdom?', what would your answer be?
Anonymous poster from Canada,
I am a Christian. You are good in pointing out scripture but you have failed to show anywhere in the Bible that says God wants people to be "rich". God wants people to prosper, but that doesn't mean they should build an Amway business hoping to go diamond. In fact, I spoke to a pastor once about Amway and his objection to it was simple, that far too many people get filled with false hopes and empty promises that will never be fulfilled. And he is right! How many people make any real money in Amway? One in 10,000? Why would this be considered a good option?
I missed the portion where you asked me from 1-10 where I rate myself. I give myself an 8.
I don't need to ask for entrance into God's kingdom. I already took care of that on January 29, 2000. Pride is not the mother of all sins. The greatest commandment is to love God. And for the record, this is not a religious blog. This post is about how residual income does not exist in Amway. And I believe that it is true. You have done nothing to dispel it.
Bt the way, Anonymous Poster from Canada.
Possibly millions of people have lost possibly billions of dollars because of the fraudulent promotion of Amway and the tools. What does the Bible say about that?
Pride is not the mother of all sins? Really? John 3:8 says that Satan was the first sinner. What was Satan's sin? Pride! Ezekiel 28:17 says that Satan's heart was lifted up because of his beauty, wisdom and authority. He became proud! He went as far as wanting to do away with God and to become God! John 8:44 says that Satan is a murderer and the father of lies and all other sins from the beginning. So my friend, you are deceived! You are proud and self righteous! You are a liar and a deceiver! You don't need to ask for entrance into God's kingdom? That is very true except that it is God who will ask you that question. 'I am a Christian','I am a good person','I go to church every Sunday' etc. are not the answers that God is looking for. So what did God do for you to excuse a criminal from Hell?
Anon, you are good at making long winded posts like many IBOs but have FAILED to answer the simple question. Where in the Bible does God specifically say he wants men to be rich?
Diamonds are like false prosperity preachers.
Right now you talk about yourself. In doing so, we learn more about who you really are and what your intentions are. You know that you are proud. You know that you are guilty. I liked how you concluded by saying that this is not a religious blog when you were asked by God 'why should I let you in my kingdom?'. So really, what would your answer be to God?
Now you accuse me of being guilty. Guilty of what?
YOU still DID NOT answer my question. If you don't answer it, I will start deleting your further irrelevent questions. Let me ask it again so you don[t misunderstand:
Where in the Bible does God specifically say he wants men to be rich?
Poster cannot answer the question because the answer is very clear. The Bible never says God wants to make people wealthy, and moreover, God certainly doesn't mention anything remotely resembling MLM or Scamway. Jesus also said the poor will always be among you, but I will not. God has a plan for everyone and it does not include material wealth for many of us. If Poster truly believed that, then people should pray to God for confirmation before even considering joining Amway.
Pride! Pride blinds! Joecool, as long you continue to be proud, I can't satisfy any of your questions. But I will answer your question to satisfy those receptive in the audience.
Genesis 13:2 says that "And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold" because Abraham was the father of faith, he followed God every single day of his life and God blessed him with riches as a result.
Ecclesiastes 5:19 says that "Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God."
Deuteronomy 8:18 says that "But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is He that giveth thee power to get wealth."
Proverbs 3:16 says that "Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour."
As you see, God openly says that He wants to bless you with riches IF you are right with God. But you don't seem to be. You still hesitate to answer what God did for a criminal like you to excuse you from Hell!
Yes, God did bless some people with wealth. Are you saying that only people who believe in God can succeed in Amway? And if so, why did diamonds lie about making income from functions and tools? And why do most people not make money in Amway? Not enough faith?
Why do you call me a criminal? What crime have I committed? You don't get into God's kingdom by your works, you need to know his son.
You are at a loss now that I have supplied Bible verses that answer your question.
You are asking what crime you have committed. According to God we are all born into sin as a result of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Sin is a crime. Sin is rebellion against God's Law. Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is why you are a criminal Joecool. And your attitude of pride proves it. So to answer your question about entering God's kingdom not by your works, what did God do for you to excuse you from Hell?
"Genesis 13:2 says that "And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold"
This was true but the rest was your own opinion. The Bible does not say that God wanted Abram to be rich.
"Ecclesiastes 5:19 says that "Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God."
To whom God has given wealth. It still does not say God wants you to be rich.
"Deuteronomy 8:18 says that "But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is He that giveth thee power to get wealth."
Yes, God has the power to give you wealth. It still doesn't say God wants to make everyone rich.
"Proverbs 3:16 says that "Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour."
Again, nothing about God wanting everyone to be rich.
God will not want everyone to be rich. There is a reason and it is probably because men would not be good stewards of money. Look at the triple diamond who went bankrupt. I can list many many scriptures showing where Jesus speaks of greed and money leading to destruction but at this point I don't feel compelled to because you still have not proven a thing except that you mix in different scriptures and Bible versions to try to justify your point. You also seem to forget that Jesus was betrayed - for money.
Yes, if sin is a crime, then we are all guilty, including yourself. What did God do for me to excuse me from hell? He allowed to know and have a relationship with his only begotten son.
Joecool, you are deceived because you are a proud man! You only see what suits you. Money and wealth are conditional as a result of your choice. It clearly says in Deuteronomy 8:18 that if you are right with God, He will bless you with money and wealth. It doesn't say that God blesses anyone just because He is God. You can also have money and wealth and not know God but those assets would be nowhere near as abundant and blessing were you to know God. You also keep saying that God doesn't want everyone to be rich PROBABLY because men would not be good stewards of money. That sounds good and logical at first. Even credible. However, it is a contradiction and a deception. First, you say 'probably' which means that you have no idea at all, you are just 99% sure. So, that's a deception. Then it contradicts what Genesis 13:2 says. Why? Is it because Abraham was an exception? No! It is because God has chosen to bless Abraham with money and wealth. Abraham was not a financial genius to be a good steward of money, he was obedient to God. Now, don't go back again to edit your post by removing 'probably' and return here saying that 'I don't see 'probably' anywhere in this entire post' just as you did when you removed the word 'but' in 'It sounds great on the surface, however... (replaced 'but' with 'however')''. That would be futile. I have already saved this page as evidence to show others that you are a liar on top of being proud and hypocrite.
Let's stop talking about money and wealth. It is obvious to me by now that you are incapable of comprehending the nature, the purpose and God's view on these subjects.
Let's talk about the most important subject here: you. Where will you spend eternity when you die? You say that God allowed you to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Sounds good, but that's not quite true. Jesus Christ is the one who actually allows you to have a relationship with God! How? Do you know? I don't know what you know. So please, clarify, thank you!
Disagreeing with Amway and it's practices doesn't make you prideful.
Anonymous poster, why were the Pharisees rich? Deep down they were not right with God and Jesus told them so.
God can bless people if he wants to. But you have still FAILED to prove that God wants people to be rich just for the sake of doing it. And for sure, nothing about the Amway business relates to this.
Just because "some" men in the Bible were wealthy, it still does not say in any way shape or form that God wants everyone to be rich.
Riddle me this if you think you know the Bible so well. Why wasn't Jesus rich? Why was he born in a manger with animals and why did he work as a carpenter? Why did he so often tell his disciples to take only what they have with them when they traveled? Why did Jesus feed the 5000 men with bread and fish instead of just creating money to pay for it? Instead of giving long winded replies without answers, try answering some of the questions.
And I agree with the other anon, disagreeing with Amway doesn't make one prideful. I think you are more prideful in defending a business that has ultimately hurt more people than it has helped over the years.
Joecool, why do you insist to continue talking on the topic of money, wealth and God when as a result of your inability to understand such topic, I have chosen to close this chapter? The question to you now is how does Jesus Christ allow you to have a relationship with God. You seem excited about that so it is helpful for your audience to learn something new today.
Right, let;s close the subject. God doesn't want everyone to be rich. Amway is no a God pleasing business and most IBOs lost money because of the tools.
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