I often see commentary about people quitting Amway and Amway loyalists are quick to call them broke, losers, lazy, lacking guts. Ironically, these same lazy and loser types of people were "sharp" and motivated prospects before they signed up for the Amway opportunity. Someone recently left a comment on my blog about how Amway Motivational Organizations (AMOs) should conduct exit interviews with departing IBOs to get to the root of the problems. I think these exit interviews would reveal that people are working hard and applying the AMO teaching, only to lose money,
Based on my years of blogging and Amway experiences, I can honestly say I believe that people quit Amway primarily for one reason. The money isn't there. Amway's own numbers show that the average IBO earns just over $200 a month and that is before taxes and expenses, and that number excludes inactive IBOs. Business building IBOs earn most of the bonuses, but business building IBOs generally have the most expenses, often participating in the system of standing orders, voicemail, books and functions.
When I was an IBO, I did as upline advised and I achieved a fairly significant level (4000 PV), but due to the expenses associated with tools and helping downline, I didn't earn a net profit. This is confirmed by a study done by the Wisconsin attorney general who examined the tax returns of the top 1% of IBOs in the state and found that they averaged a net loss of about $1000 a year. While the study is a bit dated, I would suggest it is still very valid as platinums today, have more tools (business building materials) that they are expected to buy from upline. If I made nothing at 4000 PV, anyone with half a brain can conclude that IBOs below 4000 PV and fully participating on the system would end up with a net loss because their expenses would be similar to mine, but with less bonus money.
The bottom line is that people are very likely quitting because they aren't profitable. If people made a few hundred a month with 8-15 hours of work per week, they would continue to run their businesses. But those who work and make nothing or lose money have no reason or motivation to continue. After all, many people got into Amway to make extra money, not to wind up with a net loss. Thus they simply make a wise business decision and quit. What seemed like a good idea during the presentation simply did not pan out when reality set in. It's also reasonable to conclude that the products aren't that great either because if they were, those who quit would become loyal customers. Even if the sales force turned over, sales would consistently rise as former IBOs would become customers. It's apparent that most former IBOs do not become loyal Amway customers. In fact, for those who later discover they were lied to or deceived about the Amway opportunity, become critical of Amway instead.
Why do people quit Amway? I think the answer is crystal clear. The quitters are the winners!
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When you quit Amway, you are essentially saying the following: "I am a free person. I will not be enslaved to a system that bleeds me of money every month, and tries to force me to accept a certain lifestyle. I am an independent human being, not a stupid and degraded IBO."
Absolutely. You would be better off watching TV and doing nothing instead of peddling Amway and attending the meetings and functions. Paying your upline $50 a month and doing nothing else would also make you better off.
The real meaning of "Don't Quit" means not giving up in making the right choice. In the case of quitting the amway, you made the right choice.
Why would you enslave yourself to a system in which not only you bleed money but you destroy the relationships with your loved ones by calling them "negative" and listen to an upline that exploits your well-being and worse, your upline is tearing your wallet all the time?
Don't Quit means Quitting for the sake of gaining something better such as seeking better alternatives.
Spot on. Quitting Amway doesn't mean you've given up on life or trying to make things better for your family. It just means you'll be trying something else.
Not only that lower level IBO's lose money month after month, they lose time and their efforts are futile.
Upper level IBO's have to work endlessly to maintain their status level. If they stop at any moment, the network they build will collapse and they lose their bonus and their qualification.
There is no such thing as once a diamond, always a diamond, then?
The diamonds are recognized as diamonds forever once they get the pin. That's part of the scam.
Most diamonds fall back to zero after a few years. This is because the effort needed is too great. Only a few are able to maintain the momentum. To do so you need several hundred people being sponsored into your group monthly. This is because quit rates are very high.
Once you achieve diamond, Amway recognizes the pin forever so the "residual" income they speak about might be from selling cds, books and seminars rather than income from Amway.
It sounds then like "Diamond" is an empty title. You've got the name, but little money to go with it. Typical of Amway.
Empty, but it's a title. You just have to fool people into thinking it's real. LOL
You're the loser. No long term vision. Didn't happen overnight so you quit. People quit because the business opens them up to all their fears which 95% of people just like you cannot handle.
People have no delayed gratification and 1/2 quit within a year??? Wow!
What if you made it to Diamond and still had to put in 60 hours a week to make $1M a year?
Who do you know that makes that amount of money? Nobody!
You were in the wrong Amway organization. Our leaders didn't tell us we could work hard 2-5 years then leave the business for a lifetime of residual income. If so, you gad no common sense to belueve that!
Which organization one belongs to in Amway has everything to do with how successful you will be. I was an IBO for 10 years. I take 100% responsibility for me not making it. The last 5 years i stayed in just to ge aroubd positive ambitious people and to avoid people like you!
Every person who failed in Akway is because they quit. Americans have near zero entrepreneurial traits. We are taught to work for someone else. People for the most part are afraid of hard work but even more afraid of what it takes to be successful.
99% of those that quit just don't have what it takes to be successful. Most all who quit don't have the guts to look in the mirror and admit that if they had kept on going and did exactly what they were taught, they could have made a lot of money.
Most all people don't have that ability to admit that they quit because THEY didn't do what it takes to be successful.
Amway didn't fail them, each person that quit failed, including me. People like you and others that spew discontent about Amway and other reputable MLMs are really deep down just quitters. IM A QIITTER BECAUSE I QUIT. I DID NOT DO WHAT MY UPLINE TOLD ME. IT WAS 100% MY FAULT I DID NOT SUCCEED!
You will rarely ever be successful at anything because you blame others for your failures instead of your own laziness, lack of vision, lack of motivation, lack of leadership abilities, lack of patience, lack of being able to stick to a game plan and finish.
but most importantly your lack of guts to take responsibility for your own actions!
Who cares if you still have to work hard after Diamond? My guess is that you are making 1/20th of the average Diamond and you are working 60 hours a week, commuting another 20 hours, stressed out, have not had a real vacation in years, are unhappy with your job, probably divorced over finances, likely an alcoholic bc of no dream or vision for your life, your kids hooked on drugs bc you had to work 60+ hours a week you didn't have time to parent!
You cannot keep a winner from winning and you cannot keep a loser from losing!
Let me guess, you won't approve my comment bc it's the truth!
Well, you're dead wrong. I posted your comments because it shows how twisted someone's thinking becomes when they get involved in Amway. You say the "group" you're in makes a difference. Well, as far as I can tell, all "groups" are for profit companies that sell business support materials and they make nice profits even if you lose your shirt.
What if I made it to diamond and had to work 60 hours a week to make a million bucks? Well, doesn't that absolutely defeat the purpose of building Amway? What good is it to make big money if you become a slave to you work? That's not the "financial freedom" that diamonds brag about. How are you going to enjoy the fruit of your labor if you work most of your waking hours?
Quitting is not the end of the journey. Quitting is at times, a wise business decision. Quitting Amway doesn't mean someone gave up on trying to be successful. In my case, I quit because I did what upline advised only to end up with losses. They had no explanation other than "the money will be there". And that wasn't good enough for me.
I left Amway and found success elsewhere. I am now retired at the age of 50 and enjoying life with enough income and assets to enjoy life without working my ass off.
By the way, to illustrate your ignorant comments. 1/20 of a Q12 diamond is 30k. 1/20 of a non Q12 diamond is about 7.5k. Would you like to make a wager that my income, even in retirement exceeds that?
I approved your comments just to expose how little thought you put into it. LOL
Dear Joe Cool --
This idiot "tar921" is a perfect example of how deep and intrusive Amway propaganda is. The man worked ten years in Amway, apparently not making any profit at all. He admits that he spent the last five of those years just to hang around with "positive people." I guess by that he means people who were ripping him off financially.
He finally quits, but still thinks Amway is a great idea, and has so internalized the propaganda that he calls himself a "quitter," and says that not making money in Amway was totally his own fault. He even suggests that he is a "loser" in his last sentence.
This is the Stockholm Syndrome manifesting itself in a victim of MLM fraud. This dope "tar921" has internalized the self-blaming and self-accusing rage of Amway -- it's all his own fault that he failed, according to him. His Amway oppressors were not blameworthy at all.
In the movie "The Sting," one of the characters says that in a perfect con-game the victim has to STAY CONNED FOREVER, even after he has lost his money. He has to remain convinced that he was NOT victimized.
That seems to be the case with "tar921." He still doesn't know that he was cheated of ten years of his life, and countless sums of his money. He's been perfectly conned.
It's a bit insidious but Amway leaders teach their victims to blame themselves for failure. "I didn't work hard enough" or "I didn't do what I was taught" are the common excuses. The fact is that hard work doesn't result in success in Amway. Doing what you are taught often doesn't work either. I had eagle parameters and often got edified at meetings but with eagle parameters, I wasn't net profitable at the 4000 level.
I used to think the same way that I just needed to do more until I realized that upline just lied and kept dangling the carrot and saying "the money will be there" and I finally realized that the money would not be there.
Me work 5 yrs in Amway but not me Mony this is a trap link business . Leagle fraud buisness.
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