Saturday, November 25, 2023

Climbing A Pyramid?

 Let me start out by saying that Amway, at least to the letter of the law, appears to be a perfectly legal company. Therefore, I am not saying or implying that Amway is illegal. But I believe that the way Amway businesses are run, are like product pyramids. In most groups, you will have the lowest level IBOs efforts and tool purchases being responsible for the upline bonuses and tools income. Many many IBOs are fooled into thinking that the ability to surpass your upline or that you don't get paid to recruit downline makes this a good deal. Think about it for a bit. Aren't most Amway gatherings about motivation and recruiting?  Also, if most IBOs do little or nothing then quit, it wouldn't be that hard to earn more than you sponsor right?

Unless you have a very very rare group where actual product sales to non-IBOs is sufficient to cover the costs of running your business, functions and all, then it is true that the lower level IBO's jobs are the primary source of income for the uplines. How many groups are like that where selling is nearly exclusively to retail customers and not downline? None that I have ever seen or know of. In fact, how often do IBOs even sell enough products to cover their expenses for even one month out of the year? The groups that teach "buy from yourself" end up doing the most financial damage to their groups because the downline's expenses are then covered exclusively from the downlines jobs, bank accounts, or drive the downline into debt. 

I've seen and discussed group structures in forums many times and I can only conclude that tool sales easily wipe out what little profits/bonuses some of the downlines might receive. Only when an IBO is able to sponsor enough downline to absorb the losses for them will they finally break even or make a little profit. I would guess that the 4000 PV level or platinum is where a dedicated CORE IBO would break even and possibly start to make a small profit.  On the other hand, a hard-CORE dedicated IBO can still lose money at 4000 or at platinum.    But we also know that most platinum groups have 100 or more IBOs in order to generate 7500 PV. Thus, we can also conclude that less than 1% of IBOs make a net profit. The only way IBOs can earn a net profit at a lower level is to avoid purchasing tools and to avoid paying for functions. Those who get involved in a system such as WWDB or N21 almost guarantee that they will have a net loss. 

Sure, my job may have a pyramid structure with the CEO making the most money. But the difference is that in a company, even the lowest paid employee still receives a paycheck and has money at the end of the month. The same claim cannot be made by IBOs. For these reasons, I believe Amway to be a product pyramid. IBOs and information seekers are free to participate, but I challenge them to sit down and really analyze their ability to make a net profit. In most cases, the analysis won't be favorable. If you are in the US in particular, you may have great difficulty in even being able to discuss "Amway" without getting strange looks your way from others. Good luck in whatever you decide.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

An Amway subsystem (sometimes called an AMO or LOS) does not exist to help you be successful in the Amway scheme. It exists only to make money off you by forcing you to purchase "tools" or pay fees for meetings or attend expensive "functions."

It's like a college. You pay tuition fees, but once you graduate the school has no obligation to make sure you get a job. The school's only interest in you is the tuition you have paid them. The big difference is that the AMO charges you tuition endlessly, every month you remain a member, and covers up this theft by telling you that eventually you will get rich in the Amway racket.

Anonymous said...

It's a perfect example of the tail wagging the dog. In the past, Amway actually tried to rein in the AMO subsystems and force them to stop telling outrageous lies to IBOs and new recruits. It didn't work, because the AMOs were legally independent businesses and not subject to Amway authority.

In fact, when Amway tried to keep the AMOs honest, the people who ran them just told Amway to fuck off. They said "You just stick to making the products, and don't tell us how to handle distribution, training, and recruitment."

That's why Amway rules are regularly ignored or flouted by rackets like WWG or BWW or Network 21. Persons with significant down-lines in these groups can just break off and become part of some other MLM, and tell Amway in Ada, Michigan to suck wind. And if these persons do break off, Amway loses a large customer base who purchase products every month to attain their BV and PV levels.

Amway says that your up-line is supposed to teach and train you for free. Everybody in the AMO subsystems laughs at that.

Joecool said...

Spot on comments!