Monday, April 25, 2011

IBOFightback A Paid Schill?

Nice Article. Could not resist posting it:

http://network21amway.blogspot.com/2011/04/truth-about-amway.html

The real truth about Amway is that Insider is A Paid Shill - IBOFightback has been exposed.

Massive News for those familiar with the history of decietful Amway business practices, it's finally confirmed: David Steadson AKA IBOFightback / IBOFB / Insider / Insider201283 who for years everyone has suspected to be paid by Amway has finally been exposed as a professional shill / public relations imposter and we have proof!

Talk about "selling your soul" for the almighty dollar.

For those who are not aware of David Steadson, his ignorance is only matched by his arrogance. He'll go to any lengths to make his point no matter how stupid or false. Constantly lying and spinning the truth, which appears is actually what he does for a living.
For those who are not aware of David Steadson he is pretty much the only pro-Amway person on the internet. He runs at least 20 (we found 23+) sites dedicated to attempting to improve the public image of Amway, Network 21 and Multi Level Marketing schemes in general, and cover up any material that does not paint these companies with a super positive point of view.

What is already known about his role as a distributor?
In one source from November 2008 it was claimed IBOFB was not building an Amway business and was last fully active in 1999. "This business" was handed over to his ex-wife. We find that a "David Steadson" had a 100 PV business in Australia in 2008. On the Amway Australia website data reported IBO number 6195154 David Steadson from QLD Australia qualified for the minimum bonus level in 2008!
How does this contradiction occur? "I've operated 6 different and separate Amway businesses" IBOFB says.
Why would anyone operate that many Amway businesses? Cause for suspicion.
On Dec 17, 2009 he stated "I currently have three" when asked about his many Amway businesses.
That is not even more than a year and a half ago, yet last night we were informed of this interesting claim by Insider made only the other day "More than a decade ago I actively built an Amway distributorship, I have not done so for many years and that business was transferred to my former wife. Like many other people I continue to maintain a membership primarily for the purpose of getting Amway products" It seems the truth about Amway and David Steadson changes whenever it suits him, yet another lie and deceiving behaviour.


Some of his propaganda sites include:
http://www.amway.com/nedami
http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com / www.thetruthaboutquixtar.com / ttaa.biz
http://www.amwaywatch.com/
http://mlmliberal.blogspot.com/
http://amwaynorthamerica.blogspot.com/
http://quixtarbusinessreview.blogspot.com/
http://quixtatic.blogspot.com/
http://amwaylatin.blogspot.com/
http://www.amwaywiki.com/
http://amwayaustralia.blogspot.com/
http://www.amwaytalk.com
http://amwayeurope.blogspot.com/
http://www.amwaywatch.com/
http://amquixvideo.blogspot.com/
http://ibofightback.vox.com/
http://ibofightback.livejournal.com/
http://www.amwaypricecomparisons.com
http://www.mlmfacts.net
http://www.nedami.com - Network 21 promo site
http://www.youtube.com/user/insider201283 Copyright issues?
http://twitter.com/#!/ibofb

and these are just the ones we found with a few minutes research, there are possibly many more.
The name is a bit of a slip up anyway, "Insider", a reference to working from the inside of the company, not just an IBO, or perhaps a reference to the movie about the real life situation of big tabacco companies, law suits, coverups and public relations gone mad?

Why would you, and what would motivate someone to run so many sites dedicated to one cause? Running a hobby site or 2 is way more effort dedicated than most people would want to waste time on, 20 is beyond obsession, more like profession. His close minded verbose rants on Wikipedia are enough for a part time job in themselves. I don't have the time nor inclination to read and dissect his over 2000 contributions / propaganda efforts, mostly on Amway, Network 21 and MLM related articles under the alias Insider201283, but the truth is obvious to any half intelligent person that reads any of his edits.
In particular I have been made aware of:







He is posting heavily biased contributions, attempting to remove or play down all negative aspects



Rewording things to sound much better than they are in reality (like replacing the term pyramid scheme, or attempting to remove it all together etc)



Outright lying



Posting press releases, sometimes with data not yet even available to public (which is proof enough of some dubious inside connection).



Generally making the articles sound like promotional material and advertisement brouchures.



Posting his own sites as references, then lying through his teeth saying he has not.

Attempting to discredit and character assasinate anyone with a valid fact that does not meet his not so hidden agenda, one of the lowest forms of debate, and indicative of someone who's argument holds no ground.

As a result of his arguments holding no water, he uses these tactics a lot on Wikipedia and on all of his sites and other people's. Smart people can filter out this cheap trickery, however it may work on a certain demographic, such as those less intelligent, more desperate in life people that pyramid schemes seem to attract that are not by nature critical thinkers but more like easily led sheep.

There seems to be a couple of minor efforts to keep him in check, but I think most people have better things to do with their time than sit on Wikipedia and makes hundreds and thousands of edits childishly arguing the rules to the same extent and a few other people on there do. Whatever the case, that is one sad excuse for a life.

So where is the smoking gun evidence that David Steadson is paid to promote such companies, and trawl the internet all day attempting to fix their image?

There is a mountain of circumstancial evidence, as mentioned by others in the past, made obvious in his own posts, and little things like Amway/Network 21 removing other people's videos due to copyright claims, yet allowing "Insider201283" to post all of these official Amway videos (and who do you think gives him these videos in the first place?):

Our attention was recently directed to these mysterious sites discovered:

www.tribetalk.net
www.tribetech.net

Registered to one:David Steadson
Phone Contact: +46.732536211 Email: david@steadson.com

From these sites:
"Reputation management in the Internet Age"
"TribeTech provides professional internet community development, monitoring, reputation research and crisis response services"
"Whether you like it or not, you and your company are being discussed on the Internet. With our unique cross-discipline experience in internet technologies, public relations, social media, and marketing we can help you build a positive brand presence on the internet, and in the marketplace.
• THREAT ANALYSIS
• CRISIS RESPONSE
• SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION
• MARKET RESEARCH
• COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
• SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT
• REPUTATION MANAGEMENT
• STRATEGIC INFLUENCE"

Funny, isn't that the description of exactly what he is already doing for Amway? Sounds pretty guilty to us. That is clear admission, and evidence he is a public relations paid shill.

When you're already dedicating enough effort to your tonne of Amway sites, arguing on the internet, doing legal document research and constantly corresponding with official Amway employees, enough to easily be a part time (if not full time) job, where do you get time to run your reputation management / propaganda business? Easy, you combine the two! Everyone on honest and legitimate Amway blogs and websites have long been making these accusations, as it just looks obvious, but there was never any hard proof apart from his completely disengenous posts that are not at all believable to anyone with a brain. People have for years been disproving his lies and credibility (and reporting his honest level in the Amway business), and know not to trust a word of what he says ever, especially when he disguises his warped opinion in facts and an undeserved authoritative tone.

Now it makes perfect sense that some part of the Amway organisation is paying Mr Steadson, and if you ask us, the fact he has a site offering his services for these exact accusations is pretty damning proof!

So who pays the money to Mr Steadson for his efforts, is it Amway Global, Network 21, Jim Dornan, Alticor or perhaps some obscure shady Delaware corporation? It is doubtful he will ever come clean and admit who pays him for his reputation management services, but my money would be on the IBOAI, or some other general Multi Level Marketing association or other Amway front group. Just another tick in the box for these merchants of deception.

Now it all makes perfect sense, and the final piece of the puzzle has been put in place, not that he had any credibility to begin with.


Operating these businesses, and working in other IT fields as reported on his other sites is proof enough that the Amway system is a failure. After more than 10 years being in Amway he obviously is not living on an island paradise, but is in fact working at least one JOB, constantly busy, and his wife has left him, not really the picture of a successful Amway person is it? Can you believe this guy is basically the public face of, and self proclaimed expert on Amway?

Even if we didn't prove Amway was paying David Steadson, and for
arguments sake let's just imagine he had no vested interest, and honestly was just doing it for the love of the company, success or not. At best, he is a crazed zealot, likely to have some kind of serious mental disorder. What sane person would champion Amway so fiercly, and waste so much time with all those websites, trying to fix their tattered image as a complete business scam for tools. You'd have to be not quite right in the head and not have a shred of integrity to be living such a lie.

Let's pretend for once his lies and deceit were true and he was just legitimately sticking up for Multi Level Marketing Scam groups (though only selectively for obvious reasons), he still would be the biggest loser in the world. What a tragic excuse for a life.

Now, even if Mr Steadson came out and admitted he was on the payroll as a paid representative or employee of Amway (even if technically disguised in reality as a 3rd party consultant), he is doing such a poor job, spreading lies, stretching the truth, and giving such a dishonest representation of the truth that anyone can see through the marketing hype. When your stories, research and lies you present as facts seem so fake, do not seem at all genuine, it's a wonder why Amway would pay (or even allow for free) anyone to stuff up their reputation so badly. He is doing a lot more harm than good, which is hilariously ironic if they are the ones paying for such poor service.


Very special thanks to those who wrote in and helped provide damning evidence and research and Wikipedia references, I can't use it all unfortunately. We've had a surprising spike in feedback lately, and we appreciate it all, from the poorly typed insults and rebuttals from scammers, spammers and brainwashed idiots, to the cries for help from those family members who feel their loved ones have been suckered in, and of course all the helpful feedback and support.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Makes perfect sense. I thought his moniker "insider" was because he was some kind of Amway representative.

Anonymous said...

Wow. That's quite a revelation. I'm not sure how to respond, except, great job.

You are right. No one has this kind of 'free' time on their hands. You get paid to do this or you are living off mommy and daddy's trust fund and this is you new 'I'm retired and you're not' lifestyle.

It pisses ambots off royally when we have a job or own a business, are successful at one or both, and don't need amway to get that success.

It's absolutely the best revenge.

Aurora

David Steadson said...

I wrote an extensive reply to the cowardly "Million" on his blog, pointing out the false and defamatory nature of his post. Right from it's initial premise (that I'm a paid shill - I'm not) it barely has a single thing right.

Demonstrating the usual complete lack of integrity of many Amway critics, he won't even post my comments (yet replied to them!)

"joecool" goes on to emphasis this lack of integrity by reposting it.

Really quite pathetic.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if someone from Amway corporation would confirm or deny that they have paid David Steadson to pose as an experienced IBO to counteract any negative comments about them. Behavior like this confirms the fact that Amway is run like a cult organization. David Steadson *aka Insider201283 is nothing more than a poor strategy by Amway to counteract all the negative FACTS with positive bullshit.
I hope that people see through the vague, non-factual and nonsensical and see the business for what it really is, a CULT.

***Former WWDB Lemming***

David Steadson said...

Below is the reply I posted on "millions" website, which he initially refused to publish, but has now. You of course can hide behind the US's ridiculous CDA law which makes it perfectly acceptable to publish false and defamatory material. No surprise that you have a complete lack of integrity and do so.

1. Neither I nor any of my companies/businesses are paid by Amway or anyone else, either directly or indirectly, to promote them on Wikipedia or any of my sites. This is already clearly stated on my main sites. You know this and have willfully ignored it.

2. I have never knowingly stated anything false (that is, lied) on ''any'' website, including my Amway related sites. I fully admit to being human and occasionally saying something that turned out to be wrong. Mea culpa.

3. I do not "post heavily biased contributions" to sites like wikipedia, nor attempt to "character assassinate" people I may disagree with. In truth and fact I have ''"originated"'' and written a deal of the "negative" information on Amway and some related companies on Wikipedia. Unlike yourself, who has to the best of my research not contributed a single "positive" edit to the Amway related articles, I'm attempting to provide actual facts and a truly balanced picture.

4. A year or more ago I considered starting a company to provide reputation management services to direct selling companies. I believe(d) there was a market for such services and most companies were doing it poorly. A mockup website was created but never finished (hence the amount of "lorem ipsum" text in the site) and the concept was never proceeded with. The company was never formed, never marketed, and never had any clients. The sites and names are now a division of another company I part-own, which has nothing to do with direct sales, and will be focused on internet community building.

3. My wife did not leave me, a claim I see you now removed. Not that it was any of your damn business.

4. My original Amway Australia business reached a significantly higher level than 3%. To state or imply otherwise is false. The recognition you are citing is not for that business, which exists to this day, generating an income for my former wife.

5. The vast majority of the websites you claim I "run" have not been updated in years, if ever. Several were simply "grabbed" when the domain names became available for whatever reason, others were automatically created when accounts were required to comment on other blogs hosted by the same providers. A number were created when I was having trouble getting google to pickup my website updates. When this problem was solved I stopped updating them. To claim I am actively maintaining these sites is false.

6. Any material I have posted on websites that has not already been publicly available, including videos, is usually available to IBOs in private areas of Amway websites, on Amway DVDs, or via email lists. I have registered as an IBO in several countries, in part so that I have access to this material for my websites. Naturally I have made contact with many "insiders" at Amway and associated BSM companies thanks to my websites. ''Very'' rarely I have been provided with other information in advance by these "insiders". Amway has in fact asked me to remove several videos from my youtube channel as they were no longer approved.

7. I do not have "at least one JOB" and have not been an employee for anyone since around 1998. I have done occasional contract and consulting work in a range of fields but have been primarily involved in my own entrepreneurial endeavours.

Virtually your entire post, including it's prime thesis that I'm a "paid shill" is false and defamatory.

Anonymous said...

david, you are a disgrace!

**proud Amway hater**

Anonymous said...

Oh please tell us David Steadson *aka Insider201283, how and why you spend what I assume is an enormous amount of time running your various sites and blogs and posting Pro Amway comments on anti Amway blogs and sites.
Your sites exist and your name is all over them, you can't argue that can you Steadson? You are paid by Amway to counteract any negative comments about them or you have way too much time on your hands. Prove us wrong.

***Former WWDB Lemming***

david steadson said...

Lemming, you assume wrong. As already noted the vast majority of the websites listed haven't been touched in a long time. The only site I "maintain" with any regularity is TTAA. I've done 7 posts there this year. Joecool posts on average more than once a day, all year round.

So I assume that means you believe Joecool is paid anti-amway shill?

Oh, and steve, you really think I can't easily get past such infantile blocks? What was the point, really?

David Steadson said...

My name is David Steadson and I suck donkey turds, I know I do wrong and I'm a poser. I'm willing to pay more money to keep up a site while my upline makes me purchase tools because I am a tool. Thank you

Anonymous said...

Steadson, seriously why do you waste your time? It really doesn't matter when your last update was on some of these sites, the fact of the matter is you have set them up as a Google Bomb of different pro-Amway sites to ensure would-be IBOs are not overwhelmed with all the negative publicity that seems to follow Amway and it's various "motivational" organizations.

The real question is why. Why waste your time as a 100, 300 or 400pv IBO?
Joecool a paid anti-amway shill? Steadson, you obviously miss the point as to why we are here. We are here because the cult of Amway and the bullshit brainwashing that we were subjected to as IBO's has made us want to warn others by telling our story.
People like you can continue trying to cover up what Amway really is and we will continue to provide the real facts based on real experience.

***Former WWDB Lemming***

Anonymous said...

You don't need to do contract work, you are completely financially independant, living off your residual income, and spending your days on the beaches of the world. ..aren't you? Didn't the company whom you so vehemently defend provide you that as promised? If it is possible, why didn't you achieve it?

Anonymous said...

I think it's ridiculous that anyone could justify dedicating so much of their lives to "hating" any race religion, creed or business, enough to create a website and maintain it for years for negative propaganda purposes. I could see why any of those categories supporters would create rebuttal websites to defend themselves though. There are bad people in each race, religion, creed, or conventional/unconventional business. SO WHAT? Everyone makes mistakes, Not everyone succeeds in any particular business, There are more ways to succeed and fail at anything. Why not figure out a way to succeed at what it is you want the way you want to, instead of tearing down the way others do things. Just as varied as people are there are successes and failures. Why concentrate your efforts on tearing anyone or anything down just because you yourself did not succeed at it? Not everyone who goes to school succeeds. Does that make school bad? It does in the eyes of failures that flunked out. The same applies here and almost every example you can fathom. My opinion. Go find something constructive to do is my advise to those trying only to destroy others.

Anonymous said...

what's your point? :)

Alan Bennett said...

Anonymous. You obviously are dedicating a lot of time to David Steadman.
Haven't you a real job?
BTW, in every profession, there are tools who stuff it up for the genuine people.
MLM works. It is proven by the number of people who make money from it.

In any business, approx 95% of people just make wages and not real decent money. Why would MLM be any different?

The good thing about MLM is that there is the potential to make great passive income and lie on a beach somewhere.

But unfortunately, only a very small percentage actually achieve that.

Joecool said...

Alan,

Sorry but you're full of shit. 95% of people might earn wages but they do earn. 99% of MLMers make nothing or lose money in MLM. BIG difference. MLM has potential if you're willing to lie and deceive people who trust you to make a profit.

MLM has only been proven to be a piss poor business opportunity.