Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Amway Works - If You Work It?

The business works if you work it! That's what many Amway enthusiats will claim. I do not believe that is true and I will further explain in this post. Many IBOs who claim that the business works are usually new and are unable to show any evidence that the business actually works, except perhaps to show a photocopied check from an upline diamond or the like. Some IBOs are taught to fake success and are outright lying.

Let me make a disclaimer that some people do make significant money from Amway, but most of those folks are tenured diamonds who are almost in an exclusive club. There is only a short list of new diamonds that I know of in the US, and I have heard that even these new diamonds may have had legs in other countries. It would seem that Amway is not growing by leaps and bounds in the US. Also of note, Amway did not release figures that are seperate between Amway North America and the rest of their overseas operations. Amway recently reported sales of 11.3 billion worldwide, and claims they had growth in all of their territories, including the US. While 400 million is a lot of money, that doesn't add up to exceptional growth in all of their markets.

Ok, so Amway enthusiasts claim that the business works if you work it. Business in its simplest form is selling a product or service for a profit. Yet many many IBOs spend so much of their time doing other things, as advised by their upline "mentors" who sell them training materials that take up much of their valuable time. Listening to tapes/cds, attending functions, reading books, and other training activities not only costs the IBO money, but takes up valuable time in non -income producing activities. Nobody makes sales reading books or attending seminars. Furthermore, these books and seminars do not necessarily result in IBOs being able to move more product as a result.
Inviting people to see "the plan" may be a way to help generate volume but with Amway's reputation, even this is a hit and (mostly) miss activity.

Yet IBOs spend almost all of their time doing these activities (the work) when they could be better off not getting the training and focusing on selling the Amway products and services. Even that comes with a handicap as Amway products as a whole, costs a lot more than purchasing similar or the same products at a big retailer such as Costco or WalMart. It is why most IBOs eventually get discouraged and quit far before the promoted 2-5 year plan.

Few people will even bother to see the plan once you mention "Amway" and for those who are open minded and motivated to register end up having to deal with a hard to sell opportunity along with high priced common commodities such as soap, vitamins and energy drinks. It's pretty easy to see that the business does not work, even for most of those who actually work it. There are simply too many issues with the business that hanidcaps those brave enough to try. It seems even the fiercest defenders of Amway are unable to provide a shred of evidence that they have actually made a profit from this opportunity. I believe Amway doesn't work even if you work it.


ExAmbot said...

"Amway Works - If You Work It?"

I says La Cosa Nostra Works too if you work it. So?!!!

In the accurate words of JoeCool the you work scamway (virtually most any mlml) is thus, lie, manipulate, be a phoney and consistent.

Anonymous said...

Right on, Joecool. Sadly, from what my friend in Amway told me that he'll only listen to people who are millionaires from Amway. People in Amway don't know anything about it since they are not part of Amway is his logic.


Mastermind said...

You don't ask the shoe shine lady how to build a successful business do you? Makes sense always look at the source. Joe cool has a lot of time on his hands and If he new better time is money, negative attitudes attract negatives results. Hey I didn't right the rules to This Game called life but I know many who know the laws and the rules and how to win! Amway The American way is for winners and success MINDED people who look and attract other successful leaders and say lets go do this! Strength in numbers. Build networks of positive winners and produce positive checks in your bank account, someone who is negative who makes excuses and writes blogs about what didn't work for him makes excuses not money! The difference between the top 5% Big Business owners and those who blog negative thoughts are a substantial amount in LIFESTYLE . Check this out Donald Trump Billionaire and Robert Kiyosaki Millionaire said if they didn't already know how to start big business and invest and make their money work for them they'd start with Network Marketing to learn how to go from small IBO to big Double Diamond and then use that money to invest and open up whatever business or buy whatever properties to create CASH Flow , AMWAY is the vehicle and the successful leaders know something you don't that no Job could ever get you to the Top, this gives you the time and know how to create the Life you want. It didn't work for you cause you've obviously Never Read Rich Dad poor dad, Think and Grow Rich or Success University by Og Mandino , all Leaders are readers make a mental note, last year had no plan no clue and Now all the rules and treasures have already been written now I read the books that instruct you how to reach your peak performance. But it seems Joe Cool has all the answers how to reach the top 5% ;) what would you advise to be a better plan? What is currently working for you? Due share;)

Joecool said...

Have you ever wondered why Trump or Kiyosaki don't build an MLM business? Instead they use MLM as a means to profit from people who are in MLM.

I can tell you that you have a better chance statistically of reaching the top 5% if you aren't in Amway.

Mastermind said...

No I don't wonder or study the roots too busy picking the fruits from what works . Trump and Kiyosaki already know how to build Big Business's so they promote Network Narketing for those who don't know and want to learn. To become successful you must be success think success read success then you become success, I take the cash flow quadrant and turn employees into big business owners that's how you leverage ones efforts . Service to many leads to fortunes... I teach them and build Men and relationships so we can get to the top, need company up their and we can't get there alone, go on and try. World Wide Group is built after the Mastermind principle have you heard about it? It's in a little book called THINK and GROW Rich by Napoleon Hill, it's not called get a job and wish to become Rich. What do you do currently now that you've quit?

Mastermind said...

Have you ever worked it? And by the way their are New Diamonds Every year, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out how to change your point of purchasing everyday consumables that you already invest in Walmart, Target, COSTco not Save co and you get no return and share with others, selfless not selfish! Service to many leads to greatness not at the expense or scam of many at THE SERVICE to many = Greatness! Starbucks , McDonald's, Facebook and Home Depot whoever serves the most with products and services Wins. Guess what Anway has products and services in 80 different countries all kinds of products , the most products wins! If I can make a fortune with a simple plan and not have to deal with people who don't get the big picture everyday and retire financially free of time and money I'd shovel manure if that's what it took , thankfully what you become by making others better by building the business supersedes any regular career or job you have to do to earn a living Amway is for those Business minded people who want to make a fortune . Joe cool maybe you're still job minded cause you haven't read the books to help make a paradigm shift from your limited beliefs of your upbringing time for a change. Take charge of your life call your own shots Get back in the Game of Life and stop calling shots from the side-lines already . If you want any chance at winning in the arena of life you must learn the rules how to win . Nowhere in the books does it say bad mouth A corporation that has helped millions of people , sorry unless you have the cool revised book Success University by Joe Cool not Og Mandino?

Joecool said...

Sorry, Trump hasn't built an MLM business and Kiyosaki is an author, not a business builder.

Go find out how Trump and Kiyosaki made their money. It's not by building MLM.

Joecool said...

Have I worked it? Obviously you have not read my profile.

You obviously don't know how Amway works or how diamonds make their money. The real money is made by selling standing orders, function tickets and books, not simply my moving Amway stuff.

You must be a new and brainwashed and misled IBO.

Mastermind said...

Trump and Kiyosaki are Investors Kiyosaki had the number 1 financial business book called Rich Dad poor Dad he has gold and oil businesses he invests in multi level apartment rentals that all create residual income he's in the millions and teaches other Trump is in the Billions they hang with the big boys and Came out with a book why we want you to be Rich, read a book it may help your ignorance and save a lot of time and money, I read your nice profile and it doesn't sound like you got the material or read the books and practice them and became more valuable. You can study the roots I'll be busy picking the fruits brain washed from negative failure to positive success, sounds like you could use some washing;) what's your job again? Exactly . Best of luck

Joecool said...

Rich Dad Poor Dad may have been a successful book but it didn't help many people. It was just fun reading for people who hoped to get rich but didn't. The truth is you don't know what Kiyosaki invests in because his financials are not public record. The truth is that he wasn't doing so great until some Amway diamond read the book and decided to market it to Amway IBO's. With the captive audience, suddenly he was a successful author. His claims of making it big in gold and real estate are not verified.

Pick the fruits if your want. The tree is bare.

Mastermind said...

You're living in your past failures and are not teachable. I still have hopes for you yet. Time to move on don't let your past be a torturer let it be a teacher and move on, better the lives of people... The proof is in the results he's created results so I pick the fruits of what works from hundreds of other Leaders you are not one of them Kiyosaki and Trump are. Best wishe Mr cool;)

Joecool said...

I'm not living in past failures. My Amway business was successful based on parameters. But the successful leaders as you say, don't want success, They just want you to buy training materials. You can point out hundreds of leaders but those leaders had hundreds of thousands or millions of downline who failed because of their failed leadership. I bet you operate at a loss as well. Good luck.

Anonymous said...


Since you obviously have the knowledge, money, and resources PLEASE do send us a link of your business. And if you are a commissioned saleman/woman of Amway give us the link to your virtual "shop". After all, free publicity would be a strategic business move, yeah? Also where is your "business" located, normally people that I know who own a business aren't secretive about it.

Not finished. You rant on about service. What service are you bringing exactly in your career for the betterment of humanity? And you do realize that creating a blog to criticize a corporation is legal. Just as it is to criticize organizations like religious groups and governments, even if they have helped millions. That does not exempt one from scrutiny.


Amwayscam said...

Dear Mastermind, I really do not understand why are you wasting your time on the internet?!! This place is a garbage, you know, you've gotta go out and show the plan. If you do that consistently for 2-5 years you can achieve recession proof financial freedom. People like me are quitters, why are you coming and fighting with public? Amway IBOs are unique, awesome set of people who do something to change their own lives and also others who are ready to put efforts. Step out of front door and do work!
Coming to Kiyosaki or Trump, they neither built Amway business nor do I believe they're credible! It is simple, an astrologist talking about everyone's lives and success in all damn non sense things, but he himself cannot do anything else. Robert Kiyosaki did file bankruptcy to the same company he floated for selling his book, which Amway preaches to read. Worst part is, even if we consider him successful, my entire LOS up line kept preaching against reading more books from the same Kiyosaki, as if all other books are bad.
Dear Mr. Mastermind, how many Amway successful business leaders have books of accounts audited. I know, private company and business owners also should get their accounts audited. We would be really happy to see yours too. You know where the question of faith and belief comes? It is when you cannot practically substantiate your claims!

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