Friday, February 22, 2013

Upline Credentials?

I recently read a comment from an Amway zealot on another blog. She mentions that someone's credentials must be considered when looking at information that is presented. I will comment that showing me a sports car or a fancy suit is not proof of financial success.

I find this subject ironic because not one single upline leader, as far as I know, has ever supplied bonafide credentials about themselves. The audience assumes that the person on stage has certain credentials, but do they really? I will say that certainly, if someone is wearing a diamond pin for example, that this person has at least achieved the diamond level as recognized by Amway, but the level may not be current. Once you achieve the diamond level, Amway recognizes that level forever. Also, the level doesn't indicate the kind of income this person earns from Amway. (Joecool is criticized for being outdated even though I was at 4000 PV at one point in my Amway career)

What many people assume is that the diamonds buy homes and cars in cash, that they wake up at noon every day and participate in leisure activities all day while the cash rolls in. I have heard from some new IBOs, that their upline makes more money taking a crap in the morning than a critic makes in a whole year at a job. That IBO became quiet when some critics offered to take that bet. I'd probably still take that bet anytime.

But the truth of the matter is that as far as I know, only former diamonds have come clean about their Amway income. They are the only ones who spoke of credentials and accomplishments. Even critics of Amway will often openly speak about their experiences and achieved levels in the business. In the REAL business world, showing business tax returns and credentials are a normal part of doing business. It appears that only in the world of Amway is the supply of credentials and financial statements a big secret. Now I am not suggesting that IBOs or upline leaders should disclose their financials to the entire world, but certainly prospects and some downline should be able to see what their upline is doing financially, especially if that is the basis for purchasing their standing orders and function tickets. And I refer to business (Amway and Tools) income and expenses only, not from other personal sources.

I believe that IBOs and upline leaders do not disclose that information because it would not be beneficial to them. If it were, they would likely publish it freely, just as they flash around copies of checks. IBOs and prospects should take this to heart and ask upline the tough questions.


Amwayscam said...

One thing I have always seen is 'whatever we tell or show to other party, the other party always sees it through his or her own eyes'. This is the reason-why, irrespective of how much ever truth or lie is presented, people will judge in terms of their own opinions not necessarily based on facts. If not for this, Amway would not have survived even after having such a notorious name.

Anonymous said...

Hi Joe! I think it's just part of the conditioning/brainwashing of keeping the illusion going/alive - if it was the norm to disclose/be upfront with IBO's/Uplines earnings it wouldn't be so secretive & then people would think twice about still continuing - so then that's when the enticing of 'promotions' & psychology technics to keep people motivated & part-of-a-community comes into play. With everyday businesses one could not sustain to keep their doors open if they were not making a profit. My husband finally decided that he was missing out on other opportunities (not connected to MLM - so he could start to *think* clearer & more wisely!) due to spending so much time & money on ACN (which yes isn't Amway, but similar). Thanks again for your gr8 Blog, Joe & for helping me & I'm sure others around-the-World with your insightful info! Cheers; G!

Anonymous said...

Sorry - I was meant to write psychology techniques/not technics! ~ G!

Anonymous said...

I think you could also say you could make a fortune as a pro golfer if you work hard at it and follow the swing instructions. Its possible but not likely. Only a few do so while millions never progress. Just like amway.

Joecool said...

But does the golf coach tell you to never quit and keep paying him for golf lessons even if you fail?