Friday, March 8, 2013

An Anonymous Amway Testimony

A blog visitor sent me this email yesterday. It might he helpful to some people so I'll post it.

We were part of what im coming to find out as a smaller more unknown team in our region. I’ve run into many Amroids since I first joined until now, and they’ve always seemed to be part of N21 or BWW or WWDB but im not sure if our group was any of those? We were part of something called the UR Association. I believe through some unspoken issues years ago in upline, our group was adopted either to Dexter Yagers organization or from his organization. Its never been fully or properly explained to us. Anyway, my upline always had CDs from multiple organizations teaching systems, and we purchased them all. This was because we partly refused to sign up with URA and partly because we just didn’t have to money for that type of monthly fee. We weren’t on Kate either because of this. When my significant other (SO) and I first joined almost 4 years ago, we were typical for this business; broke, unemployed, and young. We went through the paces or coming out to the meetings as guests for free, attending some product expos, etc, until one day it started costing us as guests (we were still evaluating at the time) to attend the regular open meetings. Foolishly, we figured “well we might as well sign up then!”



Looking back now, all the signs were there for us to see since the start. After we got in, our uplines group slowly fell apart. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen his group grow or be on the rise since I joined. I was told of the glory days just months before of how there were over 100 people in his group attending functions, all the pin levels on his team, the recognitions they’ve received, etc. When we joined and he was on the decline, we thought nothing of it, as it was played off as normal and that “Some Will, Some Wont, So What, Some Where, Six Will, so Stop Whining, and Start Working”. We also attended a major Family Reunion shortly after officially signing up and again, the signs were always there, but we just never noticed. That function that we went to was the largest our upline Diamonds organization was we’d ever see. Our open meetings slowly began getting smaller, and we had to increase ticket costs to “pay for the room”. It went from an open meeting every 2 weeks at $5 to an open meeting once a month at $10. Over the years it started switching locations as well, from one hotel conference room to another, and now it is currently held at a Condo, in the main floors’ lobby room (I believe there is still a cost incurred)



One of the CDs that we were always so “keen” to listen to was one by a young diamond from the US, who built a good portion of his organization in Hawaii and in the western states. He’s young, funny, relatable, and therefore an obvious hit with our young group. Anyway, on his CD he mentions that the only “negative thing that can be found online about Amway is that we allegedly make all our money off books and CDs”. Im loosely paraphrasing, but basically he went on saying “…like that’s a bad thing. Think about it, whats the first thing you do when you are successful at something? Golfing, any sport, a business? Don’t you write a book, cut a CD and go on public speaking events?!” Which of course when twisted around it does seem to make sense, so we never really questioned it. We thought Wow these are totally honest about it! Theres not really much else to write about at this point, like I said earlier, a lot of your blogs were 100% correct about what still goes on. The mind games, what uplines say, whats said at opens, all of it. My SO and I reached a max of I believe 300/400 PV and 200PV respectively. SO had a slightly larger group (we were building it separately at the time) with maybe 5-6 downline at its peak, and I had maximum 2. We’ve been in it for 4 years and have seen no results. Despite having no money for monthly subscriptions to books and CDs, we were core. We tried our best to get the proper 50/150, we always used all the products and promoted it like crazy. We tried contacting all the time, and showed plans whenever we could. We listened, read, attended all functions, were accountable, honest, and the only thing we didn’t have was Kate. But the results were never there. Even with the amount of downline each of us had at our maximum, we still never broke more then 300-400PV. It just wasn’t happening. Since we’ve stopped, I have purchased a new(er) car, 2010 top trim, and with a 1 year delayed gratification goal, we saved enough money for a destination vacation paid for in cash. We spared no expense while we were there and bought all sorts of gifts for our friends and ourselves. We are also planning more trips in this coming year.


There are little details here and there im sure i could mention about the really crazy BS we've been through, but perhaps another time :) we're in a phase right now of not thinking about it or dealing with it.

Thanks for reading!

"Anon"

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thats a good story. From my experience its typical. You sponsor a few people and it never goes much further. In fact you did more than most. I built a group of a hundred to get to platinum and in less than a year. But it was not worth the effort so i quit. Even at diamond level i dont believe its worth it. Income after expenses is low. And in anycase practically all the diamonds dont sustain it. Now for anyone really wanting to make it, i think you need to be contacting several hundred people per month and sponsoring 2 or 3 a week. Do this for ten years and you might be diamond. Do it for 20 and you might be crown. The few how got to that level dedicated thei lives to it.

Anonymous said...

I read amway wiki and noticed in the usa the crowns all date from 1980 or thereabouts except a few. Also in the crowns practically all have no downlines so i assume their business has collapsed and probably never was very strong However for crown ambassadors , practically all have several legs and many high pins in each leg. Would seem these are strong businesses assuming at least some of these high pins are requalified.

Anonymous said...

Amway says estimated sales at retail price is 11.3 billion. As 95% of sales are not at retail i assume real sales (taking out retail commissions of 30%) are about 8 billion.

Joecool said...

Good observation. I think it's probable.

Joecool said...

I wonder what sales would be without IBO personal use included?

Less than 1 billion?

Anonymous said...

I know this is super old but I actually was pitched joining a team that is part of UR Association last week! I had never heard of it before and to be honest, it's been hard to search and find stuff on this particular branch of the company. I do know it's part of Amway but that's basically it. Granted, I asked a lot of questions but the person of course had no solid answers to give. Thanks for sharing your story and making me feel better about dodging a bullet!

Joecool said...

Glad you got something useful from this blog.

Unknown said...

Oh my gosh, when I was 18 I had a friend who would bring me to these meetings and things and her and her father would be trying to recruit me and others. My boyfriend just had an experience with being offered to join to but I warned him it was fishy. Lots of covering up and false hope. So sad to see they're recruiting so young.

Joecool said...

The Amway folks will recruit anyone with a pulse it's scary when they recruit young people and encourage them to skip college and spend their money on Amway crap.

Anonymous said...

It's easy to recruit young people because they are naive, hopeful, and often at loose ends. They also are disinclined to do research.