One thing that appears to be common amongst IBOs is how IBOs are in denial. They truly believe that their uplines are working in their best interest and that upline wants their success. I don't believe that to be true. If uplines were truly making a fortune from Amway, why would an downline IBO have to pay for practically every bit of help they get from upline leaders?
To show the plan, you would need to pay to attend an open meeting, and pay for your guests, even if they do not register as a result of the presentation. You pay for voicemail to communikate with your upline and downlines. You pay for standing orders and you may end up paying twice if you were in attendance at the function when the standing order was recorded. You pay for books and other materials as well.
What's more, many IBOs turn their heads when ugly facts rear their heads. For example, some IBOs deny that a prominent triple diamond was involved in bankruptcy proceedings. They continue to edify and pay for financial advice from someone who could not even manage his own finances. They believe that Amway saves marriages even when the leaders who speak this may be getting divorced. It's like upline simply revises history and downlines buy it without question. Many IBOs do not even see it as a problem that some upline boldy lied and said there were no profits from tools in the past. I find this odd because tool profits are still shrouded in secrecy and downline simply believe that they will eventually get a cut, even without a written compensation plan and agreement.
I believe too many IBOs are simply in denial. They give upline their trust and upline abuses it. IBOs are told they are successful for attending a function even when they might be losing money month after month. They may be told that the Amway business is not about money but about making friends. They may be told that they are nicer people because of their participation in Amway. What too many IBOs do not see is that they are in denial about their business. Most IBOs are losing money, a little at a time, perhaps $100 or $150 a month. For the hardcore, maybe more. But they are taught to ignore these simple facts and deny that there is a problem.
It is my hope that exposure of some of these tactics will be beneficial to information seekers and perhaps new IBOs who have not yet been fully indoctrinated. I encourage people to ask tough questions, demand answers and use due diligence when checking out this oppportunity. The fact is that very few people every make a profit and people should know this before getting involved. Don't deny the obvious.
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All these guys are in denial. Nobody makes money at this except a few. Ibos think they can be like these guys. But they have no hope of doing so
I am in Amway. I don't need to put in a standing order, I don't pay for my upline's help and guests to the opens are free. It all depends on what organization you are in.
I can tell you aare not a professional person. If you were you would realize Drs, lawyers, CPAs, insurance people, stockbrokers all pay for continuing education.
As far as the bankruptcy thing, that is the individual's fault not AMWAY's. If you do the points , you get paid what they say.
Then obviously you are not teachable and are doomed to fail in Amway.
Ah yes, "continuing education". Like going to school or seminars on how to actually improve on specifics. SPECIFICS.
These CDs, these books, these functions, they do not tell you anything specific on how to RUN YOUR BUSINESS. Sure, they may make you more positive... about your opportunity.
You are negative about anything else in life.
Doubt that?
"I can tell you aare not a professional person." You talk down to him, placing yourself on a pedestal, and thinking he is below you. You have actively pursued negativity, and you are not alone. Obviously, a shroud of doubt has wiggled into your perfect water infused world. You feel that you have missed something, something isn't working like it should, like you were told. Otherwise, what brought you here?
You are correct, the bankruptcy has nothing to do with Amway. The 9 core steps have nothing to do with Amway, the CDs, where you get to hear about so and so eating from dumpsters one day then eating caviar the next, have nothing to do with Amway. The training, has nothing to do with Amway, otherwise, wouldn't Amway put their logo on the CD? In the books? Wouldn't these materials be available to purchase from your store? Would other MLMs be using the same CDs, the same training, if it had to do with Amway? Would you be using CDs of people speaking of their great success, if you knew that person isn't even an IBO within Amway? Wouldn't these materials be available to non-IBOs for purchase, if said person didn't want to be an entrepreneur in this business?
You have sought out "negativity" and you have found it, but it isn't bad.
The only people who fear the truth are those running from it.
@AnonymousJuly 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM
If you were to pull your head out of your upline's backside you'd then realize where the money is at. Surprise! not in scAmway but in the system that you are obviously not plugged into (so yes per JoeCool you are not teachable nor accountable). But don't let me (another unprofessional person in your book) spoil your reality for you, keep doing what you are doing. Ain't it great!
I am an Amway IBO. I made money my first month. I continue to make money. Yes it is work, not the "easy life". I get lots of rejection and I get good receptions. I did not give up my day job. Even if I can make a few hundred bucks a month, I'll be happy. I do not spend any more than I normally would for groceries, so I am not "out" any money. I redirect my spending. Is it the end all be all, time will tell, but if Amway makes my car payment, color me satisfied!
Then obviously you are not on the system and are not teachable.
But do you spend it on the same items as you would groceries?
I will say, I do appreciate your "thinking small" mentality. When someone opens their own business, in the non-IBO world, they don't often dream of sports cars and mansions. It is about making a living off of a passion. You are just using it to supplement your income, then you need to be patted on the back.
You didn't use a great deal of Amspeak, which is also commendable. You didn't mention "helping others gain financial freedom" or "meeting great people". You simply are out for a little extra cash and, as long as you are smart about your money coming in versus money going out, you should be good. Don't fall victim to the "business within the business". That is where the folly truly is.
-Jerry
I find it pathetic that's your answer to everything (you are unteachable). Why can't you accept that some teams are better than others, an that Amway can work in the right circumstances
I find it more pathetic to hear you lying. You're actually claiming that your team tells you not to buy tools? I don't believe that BS for one second.
Is there a place to go for truely independent, business related advice, in regards to considering entering into an opportunity like Amway?
My potential "uplines" just go on and on about the benefits, and blogs like this just point out all the problems... What I'm looking for would be a 3rd party business expert that can give a clear picture of the whole thing, without being influenced one way or the other...
For instance, the uplines talk about WWDB, and how none of the speakers "get paid, they are just trying to help people succeed", but yet at recent coffee meeting the upline pointed out how all "diamonds" are inducted to to be part owners in WWDB, for which there is a monthly fee, and all of the extra materials they sell... surely someone involved is pocketing all of that money?
There's also books like The Business of the 21st Century, by Robert T. Kiyosaki in which he says that he's never been involved with "network marketing", but calls it be the greatest opportunity ever... given that his book is virtually required material, and the uplines also had several cds and other books from him, it seems as though he's pretty well associated with it, or at least WWDB, so how can he be as independant as he claims?
If someone told you that speakers don't get paid, they are lying. The functions and tools are a major source of profit for many diamonds. Some diamonds make more from functions and tools than from Amway. As for a third party source, trying going to a bank, and speak to a loan officer about a loan and show him the Amway plan. That will give you a neutral third party opinion.
Blogs like this point out problems. You should read about those problems so you can avoid them. Good luck to you!
blogs like this point out the truth. and the truth is that scamway is ONE BIG PROBLEM. :)
I agree with what, Joe, has written below, Anon! And, I would suggest you & anyone interested to have a listen to this link also!
http://pyramidschemealert.org/resources/WhatAboutThisOne.mp3
Do yourself a financial favour. Create a monthly balance sheet. Enter how much you spent on Amway products including your time that you invested in "building your business" and how much your earned.
You will be surprised at what you will discover. I know people who continue to be in the business oner 15 years and they have reached nowhere. Just imagine how much they must have spent so far ---even if they were just spend 200 bucks every month! It's $36000!
The extra cash you are looking at is not worth it.
Be careful.
"Blogs like this point out problems" and yet I've found other blogs that are positive and point out positives about the opportunity. Yet those ones state specifically that blogs aren't credible sources of information at the same time - However these other blogs that are negative claim that they are the THE source for all of the experiences there are to have in the opportunity. As if what they have experienced is all there is and there is no positive to be found and only losses.
I see huge bias on both sides - though I find it interesting how the one that is supposed to be positive states outright not to trust it since I've never met them personally and to walk away from the opportunity if someone tries to hype up / sign up or if there isn't an education and qualification process. That, I find interesting.
Blogs provide some information and the information seeker must do their research and diligence and seek the truth. Of course the fact that uplines might be reluctant to answer questions might give you a hint.
The only way you can truly make a judgment for yourself, is to choose who to trust. Even "third party" "unbiased" claims could just be blowing smoke, both for and against.
With something this polarizing, you must look at what each side has to gain by you taking on their point of view. It is yours to decide. People will lie, cheat and steal in an attempt to secure their goals, no matter how trustworthy. Do your own due diligence, ask yourself what type of statistics/information are important to you, and go from there. Read both sides, and see who sounds more like BS, who gives you the answers you want to have answered and go from there. If you choose to do it, good luck. If you choose not to, good luck. Just make sure you actually attain the answers you need. It already shows that you won't make a snap judgment on this, which is very smart. Many of the IBOs who quit quickly, quit in a few months, come to realize that they didn't look into the "opportunity" thoroughly enough.
I chose not to join, but was exposed to a great deal of this (my former significant other was involved). I decided it would be a poor choice for me. Not because of the work involved (trust me, I work hard now), not because I didn't think it was possible to make some money (not a ton), or anything someone from the positive side would tell you.
I felt the system was inherently flawed, the tools didn't tell me a blessed thing about how or what to do aside from dreaming about what I would do with a bunch of money (these CDs were basically, how to dream about being a millionaire, in my eyes), and the people I was exposed seemed to act very childish about everything in their lives. Many were very young and I was uncomfortable taking business advice from a 25 year old, 3 year veteran of the business who had nothing to show for all his hard work aside from a check someone above him got, his dream wall, and a false claim of earnings (it was very blatant). They spent more time playing games together than actually working. This, plus spending hours and hours on listening to CDs, reading books and internet articles, and dreaming, led me to wonder if they did any work at all.
That is my personal opinion, based on information readily available on Amway's website, in the fine print of their documents, and at the end of every CD they hand you, plus being exposed to the Dog and Pony show, myself. All you can do is the same.
_Jerry
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