Monday, February 3, 2014

Losing Money Is Amway Success?

Looking back at my IBO days, I can now laugh at some of the strange stuff we did and believe it or not, I have reason to believe that my old LOS, WWDB still teaches some of this and some other major groups also teach it. I believe some of these practices were the reason why some people refer to the Amway business as cult or having cult like qualities. If you recognize some of these practices, you might be in an unethical group and you should ask your upline the tough questions and possibly reconsider or reprioritize your involvement in the business.

Submission to upline was one of the things we were told. Our group was told that upline would never purposely lead us astray so we should trust them and never try anything without checking upline. Afterall, upline had experience and probably had all the answers. Some of this checking upline included asking permission to get married, buy a car or a home, or even something as small as purchasing a camera. The upline said maybe someone upline might have advice on how to get a good deal on a camera so no harm in checking upline before making a purchase. It is my guess that upline didn't want your disposable income being spent on anything other than standing orders and functions. Our group was taught to reduce debt, but ironically, upline said it was okay to go deeper in debt if it was to attend a function or to buy more cds.

Late meetings. Our upline was into late meetings, many occuring after midnight. I suppose it was a show of loyalty and dedication to the upline and the system. In reality, it made most people angry at their jobs because they had to wake up early to go to work. For me it made me mad at our upline because the meetings taught us nothing of substance and it just made us tired. Our upline used to talk about time being important but it was never important enough to make him show up on time for his own late night meetings. Another cult like factor - sleep deprivation.

Secrets. Anytime we asked about how much income uplines may have been earning, we were either told it's none of our business or shown a photocopy of a 10 year old bonus check that someone upline may have received. Our proof that the business worked was upline showing off pictures of sports cars and mansions. Of course we now find that some WWDB diamonds had homes foreclosed, and one prominent triple diamond had some dealings in bankruptcy court. Looking back, I suspect that many diamonds have mortgages, which would be nor problem except that these leaders scoffed at the stupidity of having a loan. That diamonds pay cash for everything, including homes. My former sponsor still lives in a run down rented home beause he won't purchase a home unless he's got the cash. My former sponsor is a physician so I find his position on buying a home preposterous. His oldest child, a son probably grew up deprived of his parents because of dedication to the system and the functions.

Losing money is success. Many times, our group was told that losing money was a sign of success. It was success because we were investing in our futures. That the business really is not about money but about friendships. I suppose upline taught this because everyone was losing money so it was nice to hear that success was around the corner, and that we were all nicer people and on our way to success if we just attended more functions and bought more standing orders. People who sold off some of their personal property were edified if they did so to attend a function. Obviously these folks were not advised to run their business within their means. Upline even said that going into debt was okay, but only if the debt was to invest in the business or to buy extra function tickets.

While some of these practices seem bizarre, I believe it is because the upline advice was self serving and meant to channel their downline's dollars into tool purchases. It is the only conclusion I can make. What's your conclusion?

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

same old same old------nothing new here?

Anonymous said...

My conclusion is most uplines repeat what they hear not really understanding what they say. The big pins have figured out you need ground roots recruits who stay a year or so. These guys spend about 5 k of which say 1k ends up in the uplines pockets. So if you can keep something like 1000 new recruits coming in annually that makes nice income. A big pin would have a group big enough to achieve that. Everyone else is there to contribute and is irrelevant long term.

Anonymous said...

My conclusion is most uplines repeat what they hear not really understanding what they say. The big pins have figured out you need ground roots recruits who stay a year or so. These guys spend about 5 k of which say 1k ends up in the uplines pockets. So if you can keep something like 1000 new recruits coming in annually that makes nice income. A big pin would have a group big enough to achieve that. Everyone else is there to contribute and is irrelevant long term.

Anonymous said...

all of this effort, and Amway had a banner year last year...almost 12 billion...? you're wasting your time, aren't you? also - I saw on scam.com that you lied about hiding your identity, why would you say that? try being honest, for once

Joecool said...

IP Address 108.254.242.154 from Santa Rosa California. Why is Ohein56 hiding under "anonymous" and posting crap on this blog. What are you hiding? Why do you lie about making money "consistently" in MLM when it's not true?

Anonymous said...

To anon 8 16. Sure amway did 12 bil sales. 95 % of which to ibos autoconsuming. 99% of these will make zero. 1% will keep all.

65niehO said...

Amway had a banner year, but Kerry Hein (Ohein), the author of that comment is a big fat liar and loser. He lost money in MLM for 15 years and he justifies himself by clinging to the hope that one day he will strike it rich in MLM. Most of the time he spends trolling scam.com making himself look like a fool.

Joecool said...

Hey Ohein, you want to explain why you're "hiding" under the tag of "anonymous"? What are you hiding from? Are you still lying and telling people you made money in MLM? Is Santa Rosa the Ghetto of California? LOL

Anonymous said...

I'm a frequent visitor here but I went to check out scam.com and that Ohein56 is a blowhard on that forum. He's got the mentality of a midget. He doesn't even realize he's making an ass out of himself with every post. Joecool44 is schooling him so much that I can't believe he isn't smarter by now.

Anonymous said...

not sure what your going on about, I'm not ohein56...

Anonymous said...

whos that? (ohein) are you really trying to expose people that post on your blog anonimously? why u do that? i don't think I'll be posting here any more with treatment like that to others...eff off joecool!

Joecool said...

How's it going Chris Doyle from the UK? ( IP Address 92.233.184.60)

Now you're trolling this blog in addition to scam.com? You're another big far liar and loser like Ohein. LOL

Joecool said...

Of course you are. Now you're being a liar as well. Why are you "hiding" and posting under anonymous?

Joecool said...

Too bad Ohein56 is a chicken. I offered to meet him face to face in Las Vegas. He called me out because we had some differences of opinion on scam.com. I thought he wanted to rumble but he chickened out and no showed. Too bad, I would have enjoyed calling him names right to his face.

Joecool said...

LOL, now Chris Doyle has the nerve to deny that's he's visited this site and commented here. What a big fat liar and an old hag he is. He should have seen the statcounter tool on this blog. He looks so dumb when he's denying something I have proof of.

Anonymous said...

...youve hit a new low, trying to expose people that post annonymusly, after being caught lying on scam.com about hiding your identity yourself...shame on joecool!!

Joecool said...

I'm not trying to expose you. I already know it's you (Ohein56) again. Before I published the comment, I checked the IP address and I know it's you. Not only are you hiding under the anonymous comment, you're a weak pussy who no showed me in Vegas. You called me out acting like a tough guy and then you no showed when you realized I was going to show up after all. You're just a big talking loser

It's funny watching you try to deny your presence on this blog over at scam.com. Your posts here could be the title of a new article. LOL

Anonymous said...

boy, it looks like I struck a nerve! did you get a court order? how do you know who anonymouse is?

Joecool said...

You didn't strike a nerve. Just exposing you for the wimp that you are. Of course I know who you are. I earmarked your IP address so I know when you have visited this site. But hey, you're welcome to keep returning here so I can school you. Maybe you'll learn something new. BTW, how did you come up with the handle of Ohein56? Part of your last name plus your IQ?

Anonymous said...

man u have personal problems u should c a doctor

Joecool said...

Hey, Ohein56 AKA Kerry Lee Hein from Santa Rosa. Why do you keep hiding behind that anonymous handle? Actually you need help. You keeo dropping in here as if I won't know.

Just so the audiece knows, I debate Ohein56 on scam.com. He called me out to a fight. Told me to name the time and place, which I quickly did. And then the pussy no showed and left me hanging. I'm from Hawaii so I had to go the main mainland to be stood up by Ohein56. Now he's still whining about me to the moderators at scam.com because I school him and kick his ass all around that forum. Too bad Ohein is a menta midget and cannot defend himself.

He thinks he's a tough guy but he's actually a big talking chicken shit,

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why Ohein keeps posting here. Maybe he's just a troll who enjoys punishment?

Anonymous said...

Joecool, do you have a link showing Ohein56 calling you out? How do we know if it's not the other way around?

Joecool said...

Here's the link from scam.com where Ohein was acting tough and demanded that I name the time and place to meet. I went from Hawaii to Las Vegas for that meeting and he no showed. I guess he was chicken.

http://scam.com/showpost.php?p=1285556&postcount=28

Anonymous said...

WOW! "chicken"...!?...jokey just keeps on braying his BS...what a LOAD...

Here's a quote from a very credible, long time member at scam.com, noagenda...

Come on Joe. We long time readers know better. THE TERMS WERE NOT FINALIZED. He was banned from the website leading up to the date of the meeting. Even though he was still jerking your chain through correspondence with Chris D. It wasn't agreed. As far as a meeting with James, Kerry NEVER took the bait. I mean how can James AGREE to something that was never offered to him.

http://www.scam.com/showpost.php?p=1558482&postcount=184

Warning:Don't listen to jokey's side ONLY, he deals in LIES, half truths, and smoke and mirrors himself!

Kerry Hein (ohein56)

Joecool said...

Kerry (Ohein56) left a comment on my blog but it contained lies so I decided to table it for now instead of publishing it. I think it's better that people follow the link I posted and see for themselves how Ohein56 told me to name the time and place. If you follow that thread a bit, you can easily see that he never intended to show up because he pretended he didn't know anything about our meeting in Las Vegas when I questioned him about it after I returned from Vegas. He even sent me private messages insulting me before our scheduled meeting but he no showed and then pretended that he never agreed to meet.

In real life if you call someone out and demand they name the time and place, you are expected to show up after a time and place was named. Ohein ackowledged my offer to meet in Las Vegas but it seems he chickened out when he realized I was actually going to show up.

Now he wants a re-match but refuses to meet me because I am insisting on meeting in Honolulu so that I'll know he's serious about meeting and not just blowing smoke. We shall see if he's serious or not. Once a chicken, always I chicken is what I say.

Joecool said...

I can see that Ohein (Kerry Hein) keeps visiting this site. He must be upset that his lies and cowardice have been exposed here. Must have been a blow to his fragile ego to talk tough only to be faced down and his challenge accepted. Maybe in the past he would act tough and others would back down but he was out of luck this time.

Anonymous said...

I followed the link and Ohein56 certainly called you out JoeCool and he knew where and when the meeting was supposed to take place. You could argue that there was no formal agreement made but if he wanted to kick your ass, then he should have showed up. It did look like a weak excuse when he didn't show up and pretended not to know about the face to face meeting.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why that Ohein guy would call someone out just over a dispute on an online forum. That sounds kind of petty. Does he have anger management issues?

Joecool said...

I think it's pretty clear if you read thru the link I posted that Ohein56 is just a big liar and loser. He was acting all tough and called me out and then didn't show up. If you read his comments where I asked him why he didn't show up, he pretends he knew nothing about the meeting. To me it means he never meant to show up.

Joecool said...

Ohein is still visiting this thread on occasion. He can't stand knowing that people are trashing him. LOL, what a maroon!

Joecool said...

Hey Ohein, who's got a bloody nose? I kicked your fat ass and my boot is still stuck there. Come on back if you want more punishment. Please try to spell correctly so you can try to portray a high school level education. LOL

Kerry said...

You kicked no ones ass but your own....it's fun watching IBOFB school your dumb ass! Get a clue you delusional POS!!

Joecool said...

Kerry? So Ohein56 finally owned up to the fact that he was posting here. That means you were a lying piece of crap on scam.com. Your fat ass got handed to you over and over. I don't know why you post there and then cry to the moderators that I was kicking your ass. You're a chicken. You call me out and then no show.

Don't worry, I flagged your IP address so each time you post, I'll know it's you. And IBOFB is am Amway shill. The only school he attends is remedial, like yours.

Bwahahahaha! Come on back for more punishment anytime!

Joecool said...

I guess Ohein is chicken to come back. LOL