Wednesday, March 15, 2017

The Amway Business Costs?

One of the things upline leaders apparently do is to disparage people with jobs. Oh, they would say we needed people to wait on our tables and clean our toilets, but in general, jobs were put down and basically the group was told that Amway is their best chance at achieving financial freedom, giving them the ability to flush their jobs. Ironically, IBO's jobs are what funds their Amway businesses. Most IBOs would be out of business within weeks if not for their job income funding their Amway businesses.

The key selling point appears to be the 2-5 years of part time work rather than working a job for 30 - 40 years and then retiring on social security which may or may not be there when you retire. This plants a fear in people about the future and then the Amway opportunity is presented in a positive light because the Amway opportunity comes with a low start up cost. What uplines do not mention is how the opportunity can become a money pit as the monthly defacto 100 PV quota starts to add up. It is my guess that if people only bought items they truly needed, these IBOs would likely move 100 PV every three months, unless they are actively selling goods to non IBO customers.

When an IBO finally agrees to register, it is then that the hidden costs are revealed. Many uplines will introduce standing orders and functions and present these tools as vital to IBO success. Most new IBOs don't know better and feel subtle pressure to conform and give it a try. Some upline may loan some tools to downline in the beginning but evemtually, the IBO will be encouraged to be a "serious" business owner who should be purchasing their own tools to loan to their downline and the cycle goes on.

If you examine some version of the Amway recruitment plan, you will see that most IBOs are at the 100 PV level, which will reward you with a monthly bonus of about $10or so. If that same IBO subscribes to the tools system, than IBO will likely be losing over $100 a month not including the product purchases. And because many IBOs have been convinced that working a job is so horrible, that they can be convinced that this condition of losing money is temporary and that untold wealth is right around the corner. Sadly, for most, this condition is the norm and even the sponsorship of a few downline, the losses continue to mount. Yet many are convinced that this is better than a job.

Ironically, a job allows people to pay their monthly bills, feed their families and many people enjoy their work and co workers. While upline leaders may convince you otherwise, it is this very same excuse upline leaders use when asked why they are still working instead of walking the beaches of the world collecting massive amounts of residual income. I would encourage IBOs to truly analyze their efforts in Amway and determine if it is beneficial to your finances. In most cases, your Amway efforts ONLY benefits your upline's finances. For most who get involved, the Amway opportunity is not better than a job.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Joe, they will always promote "Work on your own hours" because you can't do that on a J.O.B. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

If the "business opportunity" was really better than the job, then people will be naturally attracted to its benefits.

The fact that IBO's need to hard sell the "opportunity" shows that people are not really attracted to the opportunity. Hence, the need to extremely justify prospects about the "business opportunity".

Joecool said...

Amway promoters will always show best case scenario and perks like work your own hours. It makes the opportunity sound better than it is. But think of this: If I decided to sell hot dogs part time, I could also make my own hours and I would make more money than someone selling highly overpriced and overrated household products.

Anonymous said...

You are an idiot.

Anonymous said...

I like how you have an approval process for comments because you know you are wrong about not being profitable with 4,000PV and you probably had a group that didn't run the minimum volume. Also it is not just household products and they are always products that you purchase anyways! Do you not workout, take supplements, brush your teeth, do laundry, clean your house, oh and shop at any of the partner stores? You probably didn't qualify for the Amway Credit Card either with your broke mentality. What are you doing to get ahead?

Joecool said...

I approve all comments, even if they are critical of me, but I moderate to eliminate spam, racial or hateful and threatening comments.

I don't mind posting your bullshit comments because you are obviously uneducated about Amway and how the systems work. Had you actually taken the time to read my profile, you would have seen that I had eagle parameters, which is what uplines advise to be profitable.

I don't use Amway products because frankly, they are average in quality and premium priced. Amway products don't represent good value which is why Amway products are mainly purchased by Amway IBOs who are building the business. Why do you think WalMart has 500 billion in sales compared to Amway's paltry 9.5 billion? Do you think the whole world has it wrong and you are right? Maybe you should think about that.

I don't have an Amway credit card because I don't want one. I have platinum credit cards from several companies and I have cash back cards, which "pays me for shopping" and I don't have any PV quote like Amway IBOs.

Be honest, how much money have you lost in Amway so far?

Mystuffnow Newsroom said...

excuses are uaeless ... dester jager you apparently found your appropriate level of failure and now.spreading negativity to justify your fail.

Balaji Keddin said...

Now a days sales are happening through amazon, ebay, flipkart in india. They are selling with a tag Amazon prime and flipkart advantage. It means the product we get is authentic one. How they are doing such promise. If I compaint amway india through mail they are replying like they are monitoring. But this goes like eyewash only. Customer shoud know the business behind what is happening with amway products which is sold in other sites. If you people are not clearing it we wont buy anything from amway as it looks like we are cheated by paying more price. You people have unique tag number in your product. Which should be checked online for authenticity. Otherwise how to believe the products sold by amway shop alone or ABO is original?. Any ABO will buy it through ebay and sell it to customers.

Rick said...

Want me to be honest. I've been an Amway IBO over20 years. I was always profitable at 1000pv, 1500pv, 2500pv, 4000pv and 7500pv. I've never in my life know or heard of a 4000pv with eagle parameters. You obviously had one leg which someone downline from you was doing the work and pushed you to 4000pv, so you really don't know anything about Amway.
Your Not cool at all Joe, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your business, I do wish you would get off waisting your time writing All this bullshit.
Amway is Not a scheme, there are millions of people who say other wise, I personally was able retire early because I help other people get what they Want.

Anonymous said...

If you were a business owner, not a job person you would know that the traditional cost of a traditional business would be WAY more than the costs of products and you wouldn't make a penny until about 5 years into your business. Unfortunately most people are too scared to pursue their dreams any take a risk instead they stand behind their computers criticizing what others are doing to become successful. If you took the time you are online and put it towards something productive you would probably not be writing this article you would be on a beach somewhere with your family enjoying life. No one has ever made a statue of a critic.

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Joecool said...

Rich, you're full of BS. You obviously don't even know much about amway despite claiming to be profitable. Your sotry reeks of bull shit although I welcome you back to debate this issue. I suspect you're a hit and run driver though.....

Anonymous said...

Dear Joe --

Notice what's happening? It's exactly what I mentioned a couple of weeks ago on another thread here.

Rick, along with Anonymous at 2:37 PM, are clearly enraged at what's happening to Amway. They're not supposed to come to anti-Amway websites and comment, but their rage against the hard-hitting criticism you present here has driven them to disregard that rule. This website and others like it are having a powerful negative effect on Amway's ability to recruit new suckers.

This "Rick" is the same pompous jerk who showed up a few weeks ago, begging you to stop writing this blog. If he really were "retired," why would he be so desperate to get you to stop publishing? He's obviously lying through his teeth.

Notice Rick's obsession with being "on a beach." Why are Amway freaks fixated on beaches? Is that the only kind of vacation they can imagine?

Joecool said...

It's clear that "Rick's" story doesn't add up. He wants us to believe that he's been in Amway and profitable for 20 years. If that's true then his profits are from the tool scam and not Amway. But more likely, "Rick" is a fairly new IBO who's just parroting what his upline teaches, especially the part about being on a beach and making money. He's faking it like he's been taught.

Too bad for Rick, I have no plans to quit blogging anytime soon.

Joecool said...

Let me address one more issue. "Nobody ever made a statue of a critic".

Nobody ever made a statue of an Amway diamond either. LOL

John Doe said...

Rick said, "Want me to be honest. I've been an Amway IBO over20 years. I was always profitable at 1000pv, 1500pv, 2500pv, 4000pv and 7500pv. I've never in my life know or heard of a 4000pv with eagle parameters."

Well, according to Amway's own income disclosure statements, it is more likely that Joe is telling the truth than you. The fact that upwards of 99% of IBO's do not make above slave wages tells us that there are lots of people failing at 4000 pv. If you had really done your due diligence, then you would also know that Joe had unusually high expenses because of his need to fly to the mainland US meaning he would have needed to generate FAR more PV to be successful, or he needed to stop attending useless functions, or both.

Rick said, "Your Not cool at all Joe, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your business, I do wish you would get off waisting your time writing All this bullshit."

LOL, the "I'm sorry you had a bad experience" line following the insult. What a classic! This guy is a warped tool that is trying so desperately to stay within the parameters of not being negative. The only "Waist" is Amway and its disciples.

Rick said, "Amway is Not a scheme, there are millions of people who say other wise, I personally was able retire early because I help other people get what they Want."

Oh the irony! He has "Millions" of references and is a successful retired "Business owner", yet he spends his free time telling a blogger to stop posting! That's an incredible use of a retired person's time! God forbid he would be out with his family traveling the world or learning new skills, because he has to take a blogger to task!

Seriously, "Rick", can we agree that Amway is a "Waist" of time, and can we agree that you are not the epitome of success that Amway portrays?

John Doe said...

Anonymous said, "If you were a business owner, not a job person you would know that the traditional cost of a traditional business would be WAY more than the costs of products and you wouldn't make a penny until about 5 years into your business."

Uh...that is not true at all, and most people can't stomach more than a years worth of losses. Can you please provide some proof before making asinine generic statements that have no merits?

Anonymous said, "Unfortunately most people are too scared to pursue their dreams any take a risk instead they stand behind their computers criticizing what others are doing to become successful."

Uh...who would want to take a risk like losing all of your money and not seeing any profit in 5 years? Seriously, do you realize how awful of an idea you made it sound in your previous statement?

Oh how convenient that you can be critical of someone's opinion by staying behind a computer, but a blogger isn't supposed to do that. Hmm...these double standards...

Anonymous said, "If you took the time you are online and put it towards something productive you would probably not be writing this article you would be on a beach somewhere with your family enjoying life. No one has ever made a statue of a critic."

Again, it may be time to take your own advice and pull your ahead away from the computer. Your fruitless efforts to try and be a critic of this blog have only given this blog more momentum.

Oh, and there any many statues of critics...Here is a link to a statue of Roger Ebert: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/ebert.jpeg?w=1100&quality=85