Friday, August 11, 2017

What's The Big Deal About Amway?

Over the years I have been debating with Amway supporters, I cannot see what is so great about the Amway opportunity. Are some of these Amway defenders that stupid or dense that they truly believe that a business where one out of a few hundred people might make a profit and most of the remaining IBOs will lose money is a good opportunity? I'm not talking about people who sign up and "do nothing". Many IBOs sign up and put in a great deal of time, effort and money, only to find out that the system simply does not work (especially in the US) and they make a business decision to quit and/or to do something else.

Of course there are some people who make money in Amway. If nobody made money, then the opportunity would cease to exist. But it is basically exploitation of the downline that accounts for most of upline success. Thus, upline make their income from their downline's PV volume, and on tool purchases. I mean even a lottery has winners. Even ponzi schemes and other questionable opportunities have some winners. This is not to suggest that Amway in not legal, but the way the opportunity is set up, those who profit, primarily do so at the expense of their trusted downline.

There are no groups that I know of where all the IBOs can win and earn a profit. I would guess that there might be a few rogue groups who only focus on retail sales, and while these groups can be profitable as a group, they are either non existent, or few and far between. This is because most IBOs fall under an LOS such as WWDB, BWW, LTD or N21, and these groups all seemingly focus on recruiting of new IBOs. Yes, they may sprinkle in some suggeestions about selling goods, but generally speaking, their "training" materials consist of motivation speeches, feel good stories (whether true or not), and the theme of never quitting while continuing to purchase more tools. The primary purpose of the tools is to motivate you and teach you to recruit more IBOs, which is vital to Amway's existence.

Some upline have the nerve to start teaching downline that their Amway business is not about making money, but to save your marriage, make you a nicer person, or some other diversion to make you forget that you are losing money month after month after month. Some groups even mix in religion and politics into their functions and meetings. As far as I can see, the typical business buildiing IBO signs up, gets some of the tools and attends a few functions, and finds that the products are hard to sell because they are not priced competetively with other retailers, and that a damaged reputation is nearly impossible to overcome. These IBOs realize they are not going anywhere, and they walk away, chalking up the losses as a life lesson. But apparently, many uplines who lied and deceived in the past are continuing to do so today, often just revising history for their benefit (i.e. lying about making any profit on tools).

Many IBOs, prospects, information seekers and critics read this blog. My question is very simple. What is so great about the Amway opportunity? For most, it is just a bad use of time and money. While some may exist, I don't know of a single person who "did the work once" and sat back collecting barrels of Amway money while sipping Mai Tais on the beaches of Jamaica. I see crown ambassadors working as hard today as they did many years ago, and some dying while still working. Diamonds losing homes to forclosures, a prominent diamond in bankruptcy proceedings, and a hoard of WWDB diamonds apparently selling off mansions that they allegedly paid for in cash. (It is quite apparent to me that their lifestyles are simply not sustainable).

Where is the benefit in the business for the typical IBO? Just as there are some diamonds, there are lottery winners. Displaying a lottery winner doesn't make it prudent to spend your money on lottery tickets. Displaying a diamond's lifestyle doesn't make Amway a good opportunity. While Amway is a business and not a game of chance, the results of either, sadly are eerily similar - that is a few winners and millions (or more) of non winners.

What is so great about the Amway opportunity? I don't see it.


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Thomas said...

As a casual observer of your posts, it seems to me that YOU are the one who makes Amway a big deal. Amway is a business opportunity that has developed a specific business model. You may not like the model, but you are not required to do it or support it. Many businesses fail. Even the vaunted franchise business model is no promise of success.
Some people develop a successful business, no matter if it is Amway or not, and some people do not. That is the basic truth of a free market.
The motives behind a persons reason for starting a business, making money, personal freedom, flexibility or even to save their and others marriages are their business, NOT YOURS. There are many factors that determine a successful business and many ways any business owner can define their success. Again, you may not agree with it or think it is a sound reason, but that is why you have the freedom to participate in this business model or not. You state it yourself, if no one made money in the Amway business, it would cease to be an opportunity.
In closing, it seems like the real person who is making Amway out to be a BIG DEAL is you. You spend time, effort and money(?) on trying to defeat this business. Why? Any point you wanted to make has long since passed. I assume this is not a money making venture for you and I wonder if you could or should redirect your talents to something more personally beneficial and rewarding. But again, just like the Amway business model, you are free to spend your time and energies as you like, Just like the people who decide to start, not start, succeed or fail at a business that is based on the Amway business model

Joecool said...


I don't make anything running this blog. But I do it because Amway is basically a bait and switch scam as run by the diamonds. They lure people by showing them (unverified) displays of wealth, allegedly attained by Amway income. If they can get them to bite, then they will say they know the secret of that success and it's all contained in their voicemail, books, cds, and functions.

But the reality is that less than 1% of IBOs will even make a net profit and add in the fact that diamonds make significant income from selling training is something many prospects and IBOs don't know.

This blog exists to share my experiences and knowledge about the business opportunity so people who are seeking information can find it. You can like it or not, but it's no big deal. I consider this a public service and a hobby.

Anonymous said...

To Thomas --

You're a lying sack of shit. You come to this blog not as "a casual observer" but as a partisan of Amway.

Why don't you actually tell us the truth, instead of posturing as a neutral, disinterested, well-intentioned do-gooder? Or is it that you can't because you have spent too much time in Amway lying?

Anonymous said...

To Thomas and those with similar thoughts,

You are free to continue Amway, no one says otherwise but this blog are for those that have been affected by this business and to possibly give insight to those who need to make a decision.

In other news Amway BWW (Brit World Wide) motivational group has now raised FED prices as of this year, 2017, to $160; from $130.

Reason, BWW is making the Richmond arena accommodations nicer, *ahh how sweet*, and want to give people a full Diamond experience.

How do I know this? My close friend who is still in Amway, former crossline (though maybe I'm still an IBO since I am subscribe just to buy XS...*shrugs*)

He informed me telling me if I want to join back in the meetings it'll be $160, that's the ticket. Hotel is $180 a night, plus $200 travel (for me driving) and $80 bucks food(what I used to pay when I ate in the city.

SMH and people enjoy this, why?
~Joseph Manman