Saturday, January 20, 2018

The Never Ending Amway Training?

Joecool is still vacationing but I'm sitting here in my hotel room with an idle moment so I thought I would drop in a new article. The subject as my title suggests, is the Amwy training that uplines (defacto) require of their loyal followers. Of course. Amway followers and defenders will be quick to point out that training and training materials are all "optional" and not compulsory. While this might be true, it is also true that training is as optional as your success. Or that upline is a multi millionaire who has been around the business and if you cannot afford to skip hearing what he/she has to say, then go ahead.

If you're new to the Amway business and hear that training is optional, but so is success. Or if you hear that your upline is a mentor whose experience you cannot afford to miss, that doesn't sound very optional if you were sold on achieving financial dreams and goals such as lifelong residual income and walking the beaches of the world. So what is an IBO supposed to do? What happens to many is they will follow through and give Amway a serious try. They make their 100 PV and participate in the training, but quickly realize that the system doesn't work and they quit. It's common for people to come and go in Amway like people at a commuter station.

When you get down to the core of the Amway business, it's buying and selling products, and getting people to join you by sponsoring them as downline. It really is as simple as that. If you stop and thinkg about what's I've just said, you will realize how right I am.

The only reason for the never ending supply of training is to ensure that upline has a steady stream of income. You see, if you really did your homework, you will realize that Amway diamonds do not make the kind of money people think. It is by augmenting their income by selling training and tools is how they attain the "diamond" lifestyle. That is why you are told to never stop consuming tools and training. Whether you believe me or not, it really is that simple.

4 comments:

www.bizwayxpress.info/ said...

i pressed publish and i'm still seeing the edit screen. i didn't see a notice of publication. if this is a dup...apologies.


BizWay Xpress is an “ALL HELP NO HYPE” tool used for prospecting; showing how the Amway opportunity works and helps register new Independent Business Owners all online.
No physical meetings, seminars or conferences. No CD’s, videos or downloads to pay for. Everything is included at no (that’s “0”) charge. The only required charge is Amway’s annual registration fee ($62 as of today 1/21/2018, and if a new IBO wants to dump out within 90 days, Amway refunds their money.
Finally…a way to earn money without having to marry an opportunity and miss you children’s sporting events or school plays (like I did-what a maroon).
I was one of the old time followers of which you speak. So I created a workaround that has been approved by Amway. I think they're all shakin' their heads out there thinking if they leave me alone I’ll just go away. This took several years to develop and get approved.

I believe that there are enough people in North America (BWX is not approved for international business) who like me genuinely believe in principle, that the Amway business is a great idea until one becomes aware that they’re being trained to behave and speak in ways that may be totally incongruent with how they’re wired. Here’s where the guilt, shame and frustration can enter in.
You know, the old why is it working for that guy, girl or couple so well and I can’t seem to get it off the ground. Amway or any MLM isn’t for everyone any more than I could be a Sumo wrestler. I’m 5’ 8” 145 lbs. just not built for it. Anyway everyone who has been through the training mill and not succeeded has a varying stories both positive and negative.
We’ll see how it works out.
Gary

kwaaikat said...

If Amway is not for everyone, then why do you guys stick to that dead or broke comment, and other sneers at guys people you can't convince? If Amway is not for everyone, is it fair to try to convince people you barely know, that Amway is the answer?

Isn’t it like making fun of a guy in a wheelchair? Come and run with me, and if you don’t go for a run you’ll probably end up either dead or ill when you turn 65. Oh, I guess running is not for everyone. Or worse still: you're an unfit looser.

It seems we can all at least agree, that is is clear Amway does not make you a better person. Or do you distance yourself from all comments on the internet from defenders, that imply that people that don't join Amway are unwise?

GARY MURWAY said...


It’s the “you guys” profile that closes peoples minds. What, do we all look, think and speak alike.
I believe I know of the ilk of which you speak. I spent close to 2 decades working with an organization that fits your description. I made some money but I could not subscribe to the “it’s OK if you don’t do Amway, we’re only looking for a few sharp people anyway” type of condescending thinking. Since then the people to whom I’m referring have lost their privileges of operating an Amway business. But these guys are not Amway employees, they can’t be fired but their distributorships have been revoked and some just left quietly during a high roller upper level IBO coo where Amway won the case and these guys moved on to other mlm’s.
Everything you mention in your piece are behaviors proliferated by individual organization of Amway independent business owners. The company “Amway” doesn’t have any input to organizations on the level you described nor do they teach or subscribe to these behaviors in my experience. However,also in my experience no one from Amway comes out and does meetings for you or helps an IBO sell merchandise. In terms of the Sales and Marketing plan, Amway is set up to only offer rules and guide lines which are public information http://www.amway.com/support/ordering-product-support/rules-of-conduct.
There is nothing in there that even remotely resembles the behavior that you describe yet Amway always gets the bad rap. That said, everything you articulated is true and there are a lot of them like that. I choose to operate very differently. Besides, it doesn’t come from Amway. It comes from what I refer to as “snake oil salesmen” in the field. Now, they’re not all from that ilk but those are the ones you’ll hear about. And there are tons of people with Amway businesses that don’t feel they are being taken advantage of, that enjoy all the hoopla of the conferences and meetings.
It’s really quit a conundrum. Since Amway is committed to providing a level playing field for every IBO, a person starting an authorized Amway business who might have a bucket of cash to spend on mass advertising is not permitted to mass advertise beyond the parameters that Amway allows. This means that someone with fewer resources has that same opportunity as the person with money or proven business success. That person with means gets to start at the same exact place as the person starting out with no similar resources. Also, keep in mind that our perception of Amway in north America and how the business is built can be very different than rules imposed that the need to adhere to in any of the other 100 plus countries that Amway does business in. I don’t believe that any private concern such as the Amway Corporation could become the multi-billion dollar company that they have by screwing or abusing people for almost 60 years. However these organizations can come and go over time.
Anyway, apologies for bending you ear with all this but right is right and wrong is wrong.
The behavior you described is wrong IMHO, but Amway shouldn’t keep getting the bad rap. From my perspective they doin’ damn good job tracking the productivity of over 3 million IBO’s around the world. It’s unfortunate that some of these group leaders can still get away with teaching this bad form of behavior (which if you do the research, Amway prohibits in there rules). And oh PS I know some of the good guys. The transparent ones but they are straight arrows in business and will never make the news as a result. I do business consistently directly with Amway outside of and separate from my personal Amway business and I wish more large companies of their size (and there are some) that would behave in the market place as responsibly as Amway.
G


Anonymous said...

If Amway just made products, that would be fine. It isn't that simple.

The historical reality is that Amway and its founders established an MLM plan for selling its products, and it was that plan and that history which made the various LOS subsystems (WWDB, Network 21, BWW, etc) possible! Remember that De Vos and Van Andel had a long history with Nutrilite before 1959. The MLM racket was always a part of their thinking and planning, before Amway ever came into existence.

Your argument is basically that Amway is not responsible for the ways in which its products are sold. That's like saying the Colombian drug cartels have no responsibility for the way in which low-level street dealers push their product. The entire drug-pushing structure wouldn't exist without the cartels, who know exactly what they are doing, and how drugs are distributed and sold.

Amway's attitude towards the lies and deceptions of the LOS subsystems is that of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." Like Pontius Pilate, they have washed their hands of all responsibility in a pyramid-scheme racket that they began and nurtured over the last sixty years. It's hypocritical of them to say that they aren't responsible for the endless lies, deceptions, rip-offs, and fakery that they themselves dreamt up and promoted.

Let Amway just sell their damned products in a brick-and-mortar store, like everybody else. Let's see how well they prosper.