Thursday, October 25, 2012

Is Your Upline A Mentor Or A Lousy Consultant?

The really insidious part about some of the LOS leaders, such as the ones I had in WWDB, is that they apparently are cutthroat ruthless businessmen with nice suits, and disguised as your mentors and friends. They get you to trust them, and they will tell you that they have your best interest at heart, or that they would never purposely lead you astray. On the surface, you may think this is true, but look at their actions and you can easily discern that some of these uplines are absolutely ruthless businessmen who would take every cent from you if they could. I was in WWDB and I have good reasons to believe that they are still doing this, based on a WWDB IBO blog. On this blog, I see all the same teachings today, that I heard as an IBO and some of the same claims such as buying homes in cash. It's scary.

As an IBO, the diamonds would tell you to never miss a function, ever. The only good reason for missing a function was for your own funeral. I recall some crossline IBOs rearranging pre-planned anniverssary parties, weddings, and other special family events in the name of being core and attending all functions. Some IBOs actually did quit their jobs to attend functions and they very well may have done so because some uplines taught this. IBOs were also encouraged and told to go into debt to attend a function. This was okay because it was an investment into your business.

Our group was also strongly encouraged to buy extra cds every week. To be core, you needed to listen to a cd each day and you cannot listen to the same one each day right? Couples were told to buy their own seperate standing orders. Brad Duncen even had a true north tape (cd) that said sponsors were to eat the standing orders for downlines who quit because it was too much trouble to call upline who calls upline who calls upline to cancel a standing order. Oddly enough, they didn't mind upline calling upline calling upline to add a standing order.

In the end, I was lucky enough to have been progressing up the pin ranks so my losses were not that devastating. I ended up losing in my early months of the business but mostly broke even when I was at 4000 PV. Sadly though, my crossline did not fare so well. I know of one couple who declared bankruptcy. I don't know how much their WWDB involvement contributed to bankruptcy, but I am certain it was a major factor and I know of two couples who had homes foreclosed, and I believe that their allegiance to WWDB was a factor in those foreclosures. But I guess hey, two WWDB diamonds had homes foreclosed so maybe they were duplicating?

Do not be fooled. The diamonds may have a nice smile and a nice suit, but they are ruthless businessmen who will take your last dime if you allow them to.


Anonymous said...

I still can't believe how so many people accept this tools stuff. Surely they can figure out that incurring costs with no revenue coming in can only end up in financial chaos.

Anonymous said...

greedy bastards!

**proud Amway hater**

Anonymous said...

I would suggest you ignore the uplines. Either they are as joecool suggests and hence of little value to you. Or they are among the rare few capable of driving this business in which case they will leave you behind.there is just one way to build this business and that is to show the plan non stop till you get a group of about 3000 people. Hard work but there is no point waiting for a magic solution or wasting money on tools

Anonymous said...

This is how my up lines told people for wooing to come to functions -
If not your marriage on the day, please make it to the function
If your marriage is there prepone it so that your spouse can come!
If you put the amount you are going to spend in a bank, fixed deposit, you may double it in 7years (Indian interest rate terms) but if you come there listen to 8-9 millionaires you 'may' earn that money in one month
If you get sick will you go to the office? Then can you not make one excuse to get yourself in the function? Five years down the line your life 'may' change in due course so that small excuse may help you earn big!
My wife came to the function in her ninth month of pregnancy, I guess you do not have to put that much effort to come
Its a duplication business, let us say you know many things about business and you do not go to a function. Then you are not there hence no downlines as the mimic you from the day one. So what kind of associations do you have being in the business, miss one function, miss many things through this business.

All the above and many more were told in front of me to many prospects, except one thing - the amount of money up lines make through ticket sales!

Anonymous said...

Dont give the uplines a cent. There is no reason to do so.

If you are interested in this business just go and do it; ie retail a few products, use a few and sponsor as many people as you can and guide them correctly to do the same

Anonymous said...

Very true JoeCool. Most of the uplines are douche bags.They don't give a definite answer to any question. I used to have a long distance group (> 900miles).Whenever i asked my upline whether i should go there and spend time on a particular leg, he never used to give a proper answer! He used to ask the same question back "What do you feel? Do you think it is worth going?". Never said yes or no.What use is Upline if he doesn't have that wisdom and perspective on his downline's business and save him money?. Amway is such a waste of time and money.

Ain’t it great said...

Our upline Emerald went to prison and was kicked out of Amway. Fraud, theft from our group of thousands of dollars, it was crazy. Mid 80's.