Monday, July 20, 2015

Amway Excuses?

I've been a blogger now for a number of years. I've debated with Amway apologists and they ultimately resort to excuses and/or personal attacks when they run out of defenses. Food for thought, when you have to make excuses about why your opportunity isn't a scam or a pyramid scheme, that should already make you stop and think for a minute. The easy excuse is to say that "my group isn't like that". Yet I see testimonies and statements that indicate to me that things have not changed, even in all the years since I left the Amway business myself.

Even the product's prices need to be justified. That there is concentration or other factors that really make Amway stuff a better value. Strange how that better value doesn't seem to translate further once an IBO realizes that there is no residual income at the end of the rainbow. Many IBOs don't seem to mind paying for Amway stuff when they believe that they will one day walk the beaches of the world while more money than they can count will keep rolling in. When the dream fades, so does the desire to purchase these awesome products. If not, with tens of millions of former IBOs, Amway sales should be through the roof after all these years. But it hasn't. Although Amway recently reported an increase in north american sales, that wasn't the case in the last 10 years. Amway apologists even have excuses about why that is the case.

Amway also reported recently, that they have updated their average IBO income. While it is still miserable, it has gone up, although a clear explanation as to how and why they calculated the "average income" was not apparently given. So the debate continues. Critics analyzing and predicting how and why, and Amway apologists making excuses and justifying their position. Why not just be transparent and end the debate once and for all? I think most people know the answer. The bottom line for most is whether or not they make a net profit. For the vast majority of IBOs, especially the ones on the system, the answer is a net loss. It is predictable and easy to conclude. The 6-4-2 or any other version of the compensation plan clearly shows that very few people can make any decent money. If a platinum IBO typically has 100 or more IBOs, that is your answer there. It should be noted that a platinum might not even be very profitable if they are sold out on buying system tools.

So IBOs and Amway defenders, are you making money (net profit)? Or are you just making excuses?

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Could you answer a question for me please? My daughter and son-in-law were married 21/2 years ago and began their involvement with Amway 3 months later after being approached by a couple at the dog park. They are very deeply involved and tell us they are really successful!. Recently, we were asked by them to stop giving them birthday or Christmas presents. Instead, they want us to truly show our "support" by purchasing their products on a regular basis. My husband and I are having a hard time with this request. Our family has always given well thought out gifts for holidays and enjoys that very much. We do not believe that family holiday traditions should be tied to their business venture. We also believe that
"support" involves always being ready and willing to lend a hand when needed and being there for your kids. We have always done just that and continue to do that (which is how we want it). Support by buying products that we really don't like or want is not something we want to do. This is causing hard feelings for all concerned. Looking for opinions and advice as we contemplate how to respond in a loving "supportive" way. Thanks, Lynn

Joecool said...

Hi Lynn,

I can't really candy coat my answer so I'll hand it out straight. They tell you they are really successful but now instead of gifts they want you to make purchases. When I was in Amway, we were taught to "fake it until you make it". In other words, give the appearance of being successful to try and attract interest.

More than likely, your daughter's finances are struggling as the (defacto) quota is 100 points which costs about $300 a month. If you factor in the cds and books, and seminars that active distributors attend, you daughter and son in law could be spending up to $700 a month to play the game called Amway. It is unlikely they have seen a net profit in Amway.

But if they are committed, they are also unlikely to change their minds about it. You can be supportive by purchasing a few products but Amway normally has to run its course in someone's life. Hopefully the financial damage doesn't turn out to be too much.

Anonymous said...

Lynn, do not enable them!!! I have lost my sister and now a nephew to the Scamway cult. I implorevyou to research this blog, as well as other links on here. The damage is unbelievable, financial destruction, worst of all, the cult encourages family and friend alienation. There is a book you can find on one of these links,"Merchants of Deception". It's available as an e-book at no charge. Download it, read it, give it to your daughter. It's the greatest gift you could provide she and her husband.

Anonymous said...

What's up bro I know you saw my other questions just answer them even if they're anti-Amway.

Joecool said...

What other questions?

Qiunan Tang said...

Good example to show the damage of doing it wrong. Never start with selling to your family or close friend, never ever ask them for help like this in regular based. For the first month I made about 80 dollars , I put it back to business by giving a set of loc to my good friend as a gife. If they like the product I get a lifetime customer , if it is always a great gife.

Joecool said...

A bottle of LOC lasts years. So maybe that friend will buy 3 more bottle in the next 15 years?

Qiunan Tang said...

There is nothing call a bottle of loc my friend. LOC is a brand of cleanning products. Yes , the dishdrop cost about 8 dollars can last for a year, very good value right ? However Landry product last about 1-3 months. I mean, getting a sale of 30-40 dollar from LOC monthly is reasonable for one family. But it open the door that you might introduce other product to them.

Joecool said...

Sorry, one bottle of dish drops does not last for a year. But it does last as long as a $3.00 bottle od Dawn that I get a WalMart

Qiunan Tang said...

You just said , not me , a bottle loc last years. Now you said it last less then a year. Under third party test , it clean more plant then others. It certainly last much longer if you follow the label. Also, loc dish drop has EPA logo, does dawn has it? If you can challenge the Amway claim , sue them. Remember , even red bull lose the case because they claim red bull give you wings and it in fact don't.