Thursday, November 29, 2018

The Amway "System"?

"Tools are optional, but so is success" One of the things that seems to be the common reason for IBOs losing money in Amway is the tools system. While IBOs may say that the system is optional, it certainly is not promoted that way. In my opinion, it is a defacto requirement. Especially when you may be told that nobody succeeds without the system, but you can be the first to try. Or that your upline double diamond accomplished that level with dedication to the system, but if you think you know better, you can try it on your own. To a prospect or new IBO, that certainly would not sound like the system is optional.

For most new IBOs, there really is not much of a choice is there? If you're lucky, maybe your upline will loan you some cds or books, but eventually, if you are to be a "serious" business owner, you will have to buy your own. Some uplines may compare these tools to a carpenter who needs a hammer and nails, or it might be compared to a college student who needs books to complete their coursework. But a carpenter certainly doesn't need 100 hammers and a student would not need multiple copies of the same book. And a carpenter can get many years of work out of a single tool whereas IBO's consumption of tools in endless.

Basically, the system never ends for Amway IBOs, unless they quit the business. And obviously, that explains why many IBOs quit, because they never recover the expenses they shell out for the system. What is also scary, is if you have a pushy upline who may encourage you to hyper consume tools. We were advised to purchase additional tapes/cds every week because they would help you grow and because you were to pass them out to prospects. We were told that you should not cancel standing orders (an audio subscription) if your downline quits because it was too much trouble to call upline to cancel the standing order. We were encouraged to buy extra function tickets because you don't want to sponsor someone just before the function only to have the function sold out.

What was also scary was how some diamonds would talk about how long someone could skip mortgage payments before a foreclosure would occur. I am guessing because IBOs could then skip a payment in order to attend a function. IBOs were told to go in debt if it was to invest in their Amway business (Meaning it was okay to go in debt to buy tools). IBOs were edified if they made it to functions at any cost. I recall a man dying of cancer being edified because he left his (real) family to attend a major function while he was basically dying (literally).

Amway implemented an accreditation program some years ago to try and curb some of these abuses, but I believe at least some, and possibly most/all of these abuses still occur, under Amway's radar. My hope is that someone seeking information might recognize the warning signs I have posted and can decide for themselves if their upline is leading them astray.


Unknown said...

That has to get monotonous listening to the same gibberish over and over, time and time again. I can't imagine how maddening it would be to shell out cash you don't have to fund a business with zero cash flow and only a literal 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of success. Amway people might have better odds mass purchasing PowerBall tickets. You actually saw a dying man attend an Amway event over spending time with his family? Wow is all I will say.

Anonymous said...

The various LOS subsystems (WWDB, BWW, Network 21, and all the rest) pay no attention whatsoever to what Amway in Ada, Michigan tells them. They all go their own way.

The subsystems have Amway by the balls. They are the only source for orders for Amway products. Without the subsystems, Amway has no income.

Amway can bitch and moan about the endless lies and malpractice that the subsystems perpetrate, but the leaders of WWDB and the rest all know that Amway won't lift a finger to discipline their actions. That's why calling Ada, Michigan to complain only results in one thing: they'll tell you that they are not responsible for what goes on in your group, and that you should bring any complaints to your up-line.