Based on my experience in Amway, my blogging experience, and observation of other people who give financial advice such as real estate gurus who teach you to buy property with no money down, or others such as Robert Kiyosaki for that matter, all show testimonials of sucessful people. Obviously they do not show you the vast majority of people who try their systems and fail.
It is my informed opinion that whether it is Amway, WWDB, BWW, N21, real estate or the cashflow business, the vast majority of people who try these systems do not make any kind of significant income. Sure, some do, and those are shown as the possibilities. But if you watch infomercials, you will see in small print on the bottom of the screen, "unique experience", you results may vary. I believe that a similar message used to be at the end of Amway diamond recordings as well.
These systems in general do not work for various reasons. Many people simply do not have the acumen to work the system. Or the system has too many variables for the system to work, or the system calls for things beyond your control. For example, success in Amway generally requires you to sponsor others, something that is beyond the control of most people. Add in the lazy and people who are hoipng for a quick score and it is understandable that most will fail. But these systems are often set up where the majority simply cannot all succeed. Nowhere is that more true than the Amway business where the pyramidal compensation plan nearly guarantees failure for the lower level IBOs.
So what can someone do? Well, it may no be as sexy or attractive but a part time job and investing and saving might be something to think about. Even a part time business where you focus on selling products for a profit might work. It just seems prudent to avoid these "systems" as the primary beneficiary of these "systems" are the ones who directly profit from them.
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I guess that because most people who try real estate and do not make money in real estate makes real estate a SCAM. Selling products in a part time business for a profit might work and if not then it makes that part time business a SCAM. And then you have to factor in the lazy, the negative, the losers and the idiots out there who do not make it but tear others down by stealing their dreams, their visions and their faith. Joecool with all due respect, I believe that you fit well all of the above. Judging by how you talk about Amway and in general, I think that you were the most pathetic and idiotic pupil in your classroom. The cashflow business? What's that even supposed to mean? You should honestly stop blogging and stop spreading misconceptions unless you're are willingly doing so and I suspect that you are unfortunately doing that on purpose. What fun do you derive from doing this unless you are mentally deranged?
I am not in the Amway business or any other such business but you don't have to be very smart to figure out that if you don't succeed to any level then there is only one simple reason, you didn't do the work required by that particular business.
If you have a window cleaning business but only actually go out cleaning windows one day a month then you could hardly wonder why you aren't making any money.
These businesses have a plan, if you work it then that's it.
No, real estate is not a scam. But if someone sells you a system for selling real estate that does not work, that could possibly be a scam.
And the Amway business is not simply doing a task and getting paid, such as cleaning windows. Many, in fact most of the steps of CORE do not result in the IBO making any money.
Wrong. The Amway business is about moving product (a "task") and sharing in the revenue generated ("getting paid") as a result of that. The education is there to train and motivate people but none of this will work unless you're self motivated to begin with. You're clueless and your blog is bullshit.
How come so few Amway products are sold? And if Amway pays put 33% of the gross in bonuses, how come a new IBO gets only 3% for doing the work while upline gets 30%?
Well, here's a good one for you. How come the franchisee gets only 10% for doing the work while the franchisor gets 90%?
Anonymous, your comment is totally false.
If you owned a franchise, why would you get only 10%? Do you have a source for your claim? I bet not.
Nice way to dodge the question about why a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
If you look at any franchise, you would understand the compensation plan. The franchisor makes a certain percentage off every franchise he opens while the franchisee makes a certain percentage off his franchise only. At the end of the day the franchisor makes most of the money. You don't seem to be familiar with the franchise concept.
I under stand franchises. Amway is not a franchise opportunity.
Nice way to dodge the question about why a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
Buddy, I'm not so sure that you understand the real picture. You understand something but that's about it. You were asking me about sources for my claims. You bet 100% that I don't have them. I beg to differ 100%.
The Amway business model is modeled after the franchising concept and this new model is called a private franchise. What is a private franchise? Let's see!
"Private franchising is the process of starting a business and after you get some income out of it you help others set up the same kind of business that you are running and it is called duplication. The name will be yours as you created it, your ideas will be followed and your products will be sold. So, you are actually creating an income" that will last for generations to come. However, private franchising is very much misunderstood."
Do you want the resource link? Yes on one condition, enable "copy & paste" on all yours blogs. No and you shall not have it. Clear?
Now, what is franchising? Let's see!
"Franchising is the practice of using another person's business model. The franchisor grants the independent operator (the franchisee) the right to distribute its products, techniques and trademarks for a percentage of gross monthly sales and a royalty fee. Franchising has been around for many centuries..."
"Additionally, the franchisor may choose to leverage the franchisee to build a distribution network."
"Franchisors can maximize their profits on the gross sales of the franchisees."
OUCH! That's one of a punch below the belt, isn't it Joecool? And then seeing how the nuts crack and the milk spills out, MEOW!
Again, do you want the resource link? You already know what you have to do to get it.
Let me repeat myself slowly for you anonymous from Canada.
Amway IS NOT A FRANCHISE OPPORTUNITY. If you are an "IBO", you are a commisioned sales person with no benefits.
Nice way to dodge the question about why a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
I still don't see "copy & paste" enabled on your blog, Joecool. Come on, you should know better, you're the owner of the blog, you should be able to fully operate your blog.
You don't need a special function to copy and paste a comment. You have nothing.
Amway IS NOT A FRANCHISE OPPORTUNITY.
Nice way to dodge the question about why a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
Hahaha... I love that. I have nothing, see, I have nothing! HAHAHAAAA! Again, the condition for you to see these official resource links is for you to enable "copy & paste" on your blog. I still can not paste these links.
Either you have a source or not.
Amway is not a franchise. If it were, you would have to sign a franchise agreement with Amway. Your claim is so ridiculous that it's not even worth my time to debate this with you.
You are still dodging my question:
Yhy a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
Buddy, what's unclear to you? I told you, I'm not here to negotiate. You already know the terms so what are you waiting for?
Anonymous, what's not clear to you? I told you Amway is not a franchise. Very simple. If you have proof, name your source. Is it on the Amway website? not it,s not because you made it up.
You are still dodging my question:
Why a new IBO only gets 3% while upline splits up 30% and why so few IBOs actually sell Amway products.
http://quixtaramwayinfiltrator.blogspot.com/2005/12/private-franchise-yeah-right.html
Buddy, do you speak English? I don't negotiate with you. I have the resources. If you want me to show you the resources, you have to comply with the terms. Do I need to remind you the terms?
Anonymous from Canada, either you have something or not. Your continuous dodging of questions proves to me that you have nothinng but bull to share.
I don't know why I have to remind you that you have to do your part for me to do mine.
And I have to remind you that Amway is not a franchise and IBOs do not sell very many products. And if a new IBO sells something, that new IBO gets 3% and upline splits approximately 30% in bonuses.
It seems that you're unwilling to comply with the terms. Therefore, I will not provide you with the resources where I got the information from. I believe that anyone with common sense can attest to the veracity of the presented information.
LOL, you don't provide the information because you don't have it.
Too bad, isn't it? It's all just two mouse clicks away but since two mouse clicks away are too much for you to take, I'm not going to compromise on the terms just to satisfy your pride and blindness.
Anonymous, cut the BS. See my January 4th entry at 4:56 pm. I pasted a link.
You won't provide evidence of your claim because you have none.
And I have to remind you that Amway is not a franchise and IBOs do not sell very many products. And if a new IBO sells something, that new IBO gets 3% and upline splits approximately 30% in bonuses.
Joecool, stop being the idiot unless you're totally devoid of common sense.
You were able to paste that link because you're the administrator of the blog. You allow who can and can not. You can. I can not. I ask others to confirm that a right mouse click reveals that the cut, copy and paste commands are disabled.
I don't allow spam on this blog. But you can still give us a link to prove Amway is a franchise. But Amway IS NOT a franchise so you have nothing.
Hear, hear... now Joecool uses the spam reason as an excuse as to why he doesn't allow copy & paste on his blog. You don't have to only copy and paste to spam a blog. Nice!
But you know what, I'm going to use your excuse to your perceived advantage. Since the resources (the two links) where I got the information from are spam, I won't have to bother any further. Hence, I got nothing! See, I got nothing! Not even underwear! It's so simple! We both laugh, I know. But I don't laugh with you, I laugh at you.
Anonymous, keep on singing and dancing. You haven't got anything. Tell me where on Amway's website it says they are offering a franchise opportunity.
Links that aren't directly from Amway is BS, just like your song and dance.
From the Amway website. No mention of franchise:
To start your own Amway Global business, you must sign a registration contract with an existing IBO. The contract enables IBOs to earn income through the Amway Global Independent Business Owner Compensation Plan and binds IBOs to abide by the Amway Global Rules of Conduct in the Business Reference Guide.
If you know an Independent Business Owner (IBO), you should discuss with him or her how this business can help you achieve your personal goals. If you aren't interested in working with a particular IBO, or don't know one and are interested in being sponsored, let us know and we'll introduce you to an IBO near you. After all, this is all about your life, your business, your way. Let us help you get started!
Hear, hear... links that aren't directly from Amway are deceptive but somehow according to Joecool, Amway itself is deceptive hence his need to run this and other bogus blogs that are critical of Amway.
Joecool, it's time for you to stop sucking on your mother's breast and start to grow up, ok?
Now back to what Amway has to say on its front page. There's no visible print of the word "franchise" but after having read all of the "Start a Business" section, I understand the franchising connection. An Amway business is not a traditional franchise but a private franchise. I have provided information from a law resource that defines private franchising.
But I have little doubt that you are bitching about what both, Amway and the law resource have to say. It just doesn't feel right to you. There's something you don't like about it. There's something wrong with it.
That's why not everything is for everybody.
Leaving that aside, Amway wants to help me get started. How did you help me get started?
Amway's website doesn't mention franchise because it's not a franchise opportunity.
If Amway were a franchise, there would be no WWDB, BWW or other groups. All the training would come from the corporation.
Is this really so hard to understand?
Amway is a private franchise, not a traditional franchise. Hence, the freedom to set up aditional training systems that still revolve around the Amway business concept.
Amway wants to help me get started. How did you help me get started?
Seriously dude, tell me where Amway calls the opportunity a private franchise?
Private franchise is the BS that the motovational groups set up to try and give the business more credibility.
Sounds like you drank a lot of kool aid.
http://www.amquix.info/private_franchising_dot_com_rebuttal.html
The term "Private Franchising" is nothing more than a new catchy phrase used by the World Wide Dream Builders organization, to dissociate themselves from other more common terms such a Network Marketing, Multi-level-Marketing, Interactive distribution and Amway. It is the same as Amway changing its name to Quixtar to stay ahead of the bad reputation the "Amway" name had received.
amquix.info? quixtaramwayinfiltrator.blogspot.com?
You got to be kidding. You link to yet another bunch of clueless people and you call that research? I use the Better Business Bureau website to check on Amway and I found out that Amway has received an A+ rating from Better Business Bureau. I don't see a scam receiving an A+ rating from Better Business Bureau. Again, I have the resource link to back that up but I won't share it with you unless you comply with the terms set forth.
Now my question was still unanswered. Amway wants to help me get started. How did you help me get started?
The better business bureau's rating doesn't mean Amway is a good business opportunity.
The BBB rates how Amway handles complaints. You and other IBOs are not Amway.
Why would I want to help you get started in a business where you would lose money?
So let me get this straight. Better Business Bureau rates with A+ a business opportunity where everyone including me, loses money. I have to reflect on that, that's powerful stuff. As for not helping me, thank you, I think it's better for me that way.
The better business bureau rates how Amway the corporation handles complaints. If someone doesn't like SA8 and complains, Amway handles it and gives the refund, they get a good rating. It has nothing to do with Amway's rating as a business opportunity.
I will post a message from Amway about their BBB rating.
Oh wait a minute. So, there's a product in this business called SA8, right? Depending on how much SA8 one moves, one makes money. Then one teaches others to do the same who do the same and so on. That's duplication. There you have it, private franchising. Re-read the private franchising definition I posted as per the law resource I quoted.
Secondly, Amway has 180 days, 100% money back guarantees on all products returned within that time frame. That contributes to the A+ rating Amway has from Better Business Bureau.
So, you can't really tell me that there's no money in this thing but excellent customer service and still get an A+ rating. You must be delusional if you tell that.
Third, I don't see how I can lose money in this thing unless I'm really stupid (ie: doing nothing, doing hobby style, etc.)
Fourth, I'm not and can't be Amway. Amway is a product supplier. I'm an IBO who uses Amway as a product supplier. I have a contract with Amway to be able to use Amway as a product supplier.
Fifth, the training systems are there as I said, to train and motivate people but they won't work unless you're self motivated to begin with. Yes, there's money to be made in the training system too, why not? Oh you know, I got a... a.. a.. a second job too but I refuse to make money at that j.. j.. j.. job because that would be a conflict of interest with my first job, you know? I know that you see that as a conflict of interest so that's why I'm pointing it out to the readers for them to see the utter stupidity behind that reasoning.
Sixth, nice to meet you. It was very entertaining. I did laugh well but I know that the Peter Island experience will be better entertainment in 3D. You will unfortunately have to enjoy it in 2D on the surface of your TV screen.
Seventh and final, have a nice evening with your wife in bed! Go get her boy! YEEHAA!
what's all this talk about not being able to cut and paste links?!?
www.amquix.info/amquix_whats_new.html
(and I thought Amquix is an ONLINE biz. Apparently basic web knowledge is not thought there)
Anonymous, you make me laugh. So if I sell a piece of bubble gum and offer a money back refund for satisfaction, I am a franchise because I am duplicatable? LOL
I asked you. Where does Amway say they are a franchise opportunity? They don't. You made it up - or your upline made it up and you are duplicating his lies.
Hey Joe, there's no way to cut and paste on your blog. When you right-click, it's disabled. ctrl+c and ctrl+v don't work either. Tried it from two different computers in both IE and FF.
rlaurens, show us how you do it unless you just typed it up which I can do too.
http://www.amquix.info/amquix_whats_new.html
Sure there is. I posted this not as the blog administrator but as a commentor.
Right Joe... you're such a fake. You even mentioned in one of your earlier posts that you disabled cut & paste because you don't allow spam on your blog.
Here's how I know it. Your avatar is missing. You can comment as 'Name/URL' profile and that doesn't allow avatars plus your name is not a hyperlink. When I move my mouse over your avatar and the other name as a hyperlink it shows your profile ID on blogger.com. That's when you have full rights to allow or disallow cut and paste. So you can't fool me Joe. You just posted under the 'Name/URL' profile with the cut and paste rights removed and then you typed that web link but now you claim that you were able to paste it as a regular user like me. I tried that in both IE and FF and it doesn't allow me to cut & paste.
Stop the lying. You are just trying to make the thread go off topic.
And I have to remind you that Amway is not a franchise and IBOs do not sell very many products. And if a new IBO sells something, that new IBO gets 3% and upline splits approximately 30% in bonuses.
Amway is not a franchise, but that’s not to say it can’t be run as one.
However, the choice to run it as such is made by whichever AMO the IBO joins and not by Amway themselves.
The fact that the bonus plan is designed and run by Amway means that they go way beyond "just being a supplier".
You guys are missing the concept of pro-suming. Buy products you buy anyway for less than you can get them in the store. Save money! Help other people do the same and reap the benefits of bonus points (if you have enough volume). The answer to why the lowest(new) IBO's only get 3% while upline gets 30%. Because the upline started at 3% and did the work to get the 30%. You can expect 30% for sitting on your rear end and bitchin about why everyone else makes more money than you. Get out do, the work and see the results $$$.
Amy
amy, you're full of it, just like the other peabrains on here.
I think that amway is not a franchise, I was a member of Amway.
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