Joecool's blog has recently been frequented by an IBO from Texas. This IBO runs his own pro Amway blog. Good for him! What I find odd is that so many IBOs like to cultivate the comments on their blog. In other words, if you aren't wearing rose colored glasses and making postive comments, then they won't publish your comments. Another current WWDB IBO who runs his Expeditions of Truth blog, also won't publish comments.
Conversely, this blog allows both pro and cons. Free discussion is welcome and I even allow insults and jabs. Afterall, it's just a debate over a controversial company and frankly, the controversy and spotty reputation is well earned. There are countless stories of people mislead or straight out lied to about an "opportunity", or IBOs hiding the fact that they are being invited to an Amway meeting. There are still IBO leaders who use pictures of mansions or sports cars as proof that Amway works and that the same can be accomplished with 2-5 years of work. Or that you build it once and you can walk away with wealth beyond your dreams. In many cases, these are outright lies and in some cases, the diamonds on stage are actually in debt or having financial difficulty themselves. There's plenty of evidence on the internet,
So why do IBOs want to hide the truth? Is it because the truth isn't very flattering? Is the actual truth a net loss in the Amway business? Is it true that you are spending more on tools than you are generating in sales? Are you actually selling products to customers (non IBOs) are are you buying the 100 PV mostly by yourself? Are you promoting vitamins making claims without knowing anything about nutrition? These are some of the behaviors I have observed in some IBOs. Some of these behaviors are dishonest and unethical. Some IBOs have gone so far as to leave veiled threats on this blog as well. But IBOs still insist that they are "all good".
The truth is that the plan shown to many prospects reveals the reality. in a 6-4-2 or whatever version of the plan, there's only about 1 in 100 who reaches the platinum level. Factoring in that many IBOs quit or sign up and do nothing, we know already that less than 1% of IBOs reach platinum. We also know that an IBO dedicated to the "systems" such as BWW or WWDB have a lot of associated expenses such as functions, travel, cds and other materials. Thus a platinum, after expenses is likely making very little net income, if any. A study done in Wisconsin, while a bit dated, revealed that platinums in that State, averaged a net loss.
That is the truth. Seems like some IBOs can't handle it.
Hey It's Jose, former IBO. It's funny that you say that because I am no longer allowed to post to Amway's facebook page. I tried to explain how expensive the Nutrilite CLA is compared to Now Foods CLA Extreme. My post was deleted.
ReplyDeleteJoecool: Amway IBOs are Business Owners. Business owners need to understand the value of the time and the limitations.
ReplyDeleteThere is a reason why the Amway IBO from TX that you mentioned doesn't allow your negative poison. With your consistent commitment to negativity about everything, there needs to be somebody who can encourage the Amway IBO community with a little bit of positive aspect of this phenomenal company.
We are not sure if you approve all opposition to be publish here or not, but the reason we write this is because even for now allowing, you will have to read this and that's all that matters at this point.
Bless your heart!
You are mistaking the truth for negativity. What negative poison? Why don't you allow anything but rosy comments on your blog? Something to hide?
DeleteI do not delete any comments, even if negative towards myself, unless they are spam, or way off topic. You can see this as I have posted all of your comments.
Amway IBOs do not understand the value of time and limitations or they would do somethin more productive with their time. That's the truth.
Hey Joecool! I love this post. Your writing is exceptional and only getting better. The sad truth is IBOs really can't handle the truth. Aren't they taught to ignore and avoid the negative on the web? A form of brainwashing.
ReplyDeleteI've always known you to be fair in publishing the pro and con comments. The fact that the pro-Amway folk are reading your blog and commenting proves that many potential Amway victims are being reached. Keep up the good work my friend.
QIAC, good to see you! Good to see that your blog is active again also. I'm glad that the word is gettin gout. Hopefully I have the ability to keep this blog going for years to come.
ReplyDeleteJaycool, Appreciate your consistent attempt to provide misleading information.
ReplyDeleteHowever, as a business owner, the info you shared with us is uselsss because neither it says anything positive nor it seems conclusive about anything or anybody.
On the other hand, we are business builders, uplifting people and their dreams. Our job is to help people, encourage them to learn something, do something positive for their family, do more and be more in their life. Our goal is not to scare them away.
The problem with you and your friends is, you are doing everything possible to scare people off, but you are offering nothing of HOPE.
If you had something better to offer, your opinions would have been probably of any value. But this way, you are just a dream stealer, nothing else!
Thanks anyway for your try!
Perhaps you would like to share with my blog audience, what you find misleading about the information here? Would you also care to share what information is useless?
DeleteHow am I doing "everything possible" to scare people off? I write blog articles. I don't force anyone to come here are read my blog.
I do have better options for people than Amway. Stay home and spend time with your family and friends. Watch TV, get a second job. All much better options.
Good luck to you!
Why can't IBOs use what ever means they want to advertise their businesses and grow retail customers? Like Wal-mart or Target, they should be alowed to compete in the market. Why cant they??? Why does amway have a Retail Sales Rule while limiting the ability of an IBO to make a sale??
ReplyDeleteI have read a few pages of your blog and you mention in most of them that your biggest problem is with the 'tools' business. I am in the UK and started Amway at the beginning of this year and I actually have never even been told to buy any tools, there is a seminar this saturday in a hotel near the amway centre in central London, and that costs £5 a ticket, so I don't know what $100+ seminars you are referring to, i guess this seminar is part of the tools but I have to say I spend more money on my weekly lunch than if i went to all the seminars that Amway holds in a year in London.
ReplyDeleteYou also mentioned about buying CDs, and I have to admit that I do listen to CDs but I have never bought one either, our upline lends us theirs to copy into itunes and then we return it back to them, we do the same thing with my downlines. Also a monthly fee? I don't pay any monthly fee and there certainly isn't a joining fee either, I completed my contract and could start selling and buying straight away. Amway isn't as hard as so many people make it out to be. My upline is my mum, she started Amway in London less than 3 years ago, and she is a founders platinum, I joined after I graduated from university. My mum's 'career' was beauty therapy, she is 45 years old and has worked all her life to support our family yet because of Amway she has been able to quit her job (3months ago) and dedicate her time to Amway full time, which I would rather my mum do than spend all her day doing massages and pedicures. My mum has never told me Amway is the only thing I should do in life, she never said 'you can get stuck working for the rest of your life if thats how you want life to be', she encouraged me to pursue my dreams but i decided to stat Amway because I saw the potential. Amway is not for everyone, it isn't a scam, you CAN make money out of it and using my mum as an example, she lives a normal life but she has replaced her job which is something she could not have imagined 3 years ago.
The tools business was reigned in after the UK nearly shut down Amway in the UK. If you read about the facts of the case, you'll see why.
ReplyDeleteLess than one half of one percent of UK IBOs made any money.
Yes I agree that's very true. Many of the IBOs are in fact of financial dificulties, and many of them do lie about that fact. The real truth is though, a lot of them whem they invite you to a meeting they never disclose what it's really about.
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