Wednesday, February 8, 2012

The Amway Dream Stealers?

This is an excerpt from a pro-Amway blogger who has been frequenting this blog. Note the "tapespeak".

http://amwayusa.wordpress.com/

"Wow! It’s amazing how some people can drive other nuts just like some of the anti-Amway bloggers who are spending their entire lifetime badmouthing Amway to cover their own inability to learn the success principles or their own lack of integrity. These bloggers have dedicated their life to stealing dreams of hundreds of thousands of people everyday by spreading their poison of negativity about this incredible company that has helped millions of people lead a life of significance."

Joe's commentary: I would like to note that my blog is not dedicated to criticism exclusively of Amway, but more of the motivational groups such as BWW or WWDB. I find it humorous that he accuses me of being unable to learn success primciples. If I recall, I was a 4000 pin with eagle parameters. I left because I didn't make money. And because I left Amway, I lack integrity? Our Amway friend should note that his leaders once stood on stage and swore that they made no profits from selling tools and functions. Is that integrity?

About stealing dreams, I'd like to know how running a blog is stealing someone's dreams? You mean to say that someone had a dream of going diamond, signed up, eventually read Joecool's blog and immediately quit? I don't understand how someone could give up on a dream because they read a blog. Also, if the average IBO who is on the system loses money (no net profit), then maybe my efforts are a good thing overall?

Oh and Amway helping "millions of people" living a life of significance? What exactly does that mean? Being that most IBOs "do nothing" and out of the rest, less than 1% make any significant income, I'd say this is an outright lie told by our friend.

28 comments:

amwayusa said...

Wow!!!!! "4000PV with Eagle Parameter" - What an awesome lie!
Joecool: The reason you write this and brag about it( which actually itself is a proof that you have integrity issue).

Those days, Eagle required you to have 6 legs on Education Program, 6 legs to function and 6 PV checks. And if you worked with honesty and integrity ( which we seriously doubt), you should have made at least $2000 a month.

If you are saying you were Eagle with 4000PV and didn't make enough money because most of your volume was in only one leg and other legs of yours were only FAKE because you just wanted to get recognized for what really you were not, exactly the way you write blog to get attention and recognition as "Mr. Know It All" who is actually is a quitter.

If you have only one leg with 3600 PV and you are an eagle with 4000PV, guess what? YOU ARE BROKE BUSINESS OWNER! That's what you were and you spend your entire life blaming Amway for your lack of ability of building organizations.

That's the assessment of your Amway business career. We have many eagles in our team with the current Eagle Parameter of 3 legs and at 4000 PV, they don't complain like you do. The Amway Plan is plain and simple, it works for those who are honest and live with integrity.

It fails those who are too much smart- like yourself, perhaps!

Joecool said...

If you are going to call me a liar, you will need to provide some evidence. You have none. I did have 6 legs attending functions and on standing order, and PV checks. You'll note that I said I didn't make a net profit. If you actually bothered to read my blog, you'll note that I'm from Hawaii. How much do you think a round trip airfare costs during peak travel. Add on hotels, rental cars amd other expenses. My profit went into attending functions. I had 12 front line legs. If you aren't going to read for comprehension, you should clam up. There's a saying that a stupid man can be quiet or open his mouth and confirm it.

Speaking of intergrity, why don't you allow my comments on your blog? My comments were factual and did not insult anyone or accuse you of wrong doing.

You have the gall to call me a liar when in fact you're just ignorant and did not bother to read enough to know what you're talking about.

What do you have to hide by censoring comments on your blog?

amwayusa said...

If this much research you did on learning to build business, you would have been much successful Mr. Joe Cool. You invested your energy in wrong things and here you are - stealing dreams....

What a waste of life!

amwayusa said...

Your comments are not worth posting Joe. They are hopeless, they are not worth giving to my readers.

We only allow posts/comments that uplift somebody. Negative people/ Negative comments are strictly prohibited.

Joecool said...

amwayusa, you're full of it. My last post on your blog wasn't negative. It was the truth. My last post was an article written by an Amway employee explaining that Amway doesn't have a rating from the BBB. Are you saying you post positive but FALSE information on your blog? What are you hiding?

Anonymous said...

What a waste of human you are.

Anonymous said...

Cuz when it comes to brainwashing, censoring of information is important, isnt it Amway RAT.

amwayusa said...

What I am saying is, your post was meaningless. You said that Amway doesn't have rating and so is every company since BBB doesn't rate anybody. Now, in the context of the discussion, your post was absolutely unnecessary and useless.
And you might enjoy doing things that are useless such as this blog of yours to satisfy your ego because one - you failed in Amway business, left your 6 legs unattended and demonstrated an absolute example of unaccountably.
Second, that left you with a lot of time so you occupy yourself with these unnecessary and useless posts and dedicate yourself to research all information on the internet that is good for nobody!

Now, we are in business of helping people think better and live a better lives. Your comments, your existence on the internet-being negative in nature, don't add any value. So, we don't allow you to spill your poison anywhere on our website.

Anonymous said...

Publish your business plan then, if you are a business owner. Highly doubt you have one.

Joecool said...

Your post saying Amway is a good business is meaningless also. Where's your evidence? Amway says the average IBO earns just over $100 a month and that is when Amway excludes IBOs who did nothing. Why can't you show any evidence that Amway works for the rank and file distributors?

Anonymous said...

Cuz IBOs might find out how brainwashed they are. Censor them from the truth and money will keep rolling in, from their savings to your checkings.

amwayusa said...

We don't need your approval that Amway works. Amway doesn't sell it's products in retail stores. Amway does every bit of it's revenue through it's distribution channel made up of IBOs and if you have any common sense, you should know that $10 billion a year is a hard nut to crack if nobody is making money.

Anyway, if you didn't understand business while building it, you don't need to understand now. Keep pumping your poison. The Amway caravan moves on!

amwayusa said...

Of course Anonymous Rat. We must stop viruses from entering our brain. Computers have Anti-Viruses, why not to protect our world from viruses like yourself and your Joe?

Joecool said...

10 Billion? It's great for Amway. How much of that 10 billion did you earn?

Joecool said...

Helping people think better? Are you a business or a cult?

amwayusa said...

Joe, People like yourself can never understand difference between Culture and a Cult.

Did you realize you are already running a cult with your few quitter friends from a few years right here ?

May God grant some common sense to you and your friends

Joecool said...

How are you helping people when your dowlines are losing money? They are losing money because of the "foolproof" system. It's simple math.

Joecool said...

A bigger lie is your blog saying Kiyosaki is a multi billionaire.

amwayusa said...

Ohh.. so I need to publish my financial statement in front of a whiner on the internet to prove that Amway rally works?

Joecool said...

Oh no, you don't have to publish anything. I know you took a loss. :)

Joecool said...

I find it humorous how our amwayusa friend won't publish my comments on his blog, but resorts to name calling and mud slinging here. It says more about him than about Joecool.

amwayusa said...

O wow! So, because you needed to pay some money to Airlines to buy you a flight ticket to attend a seminar for your education, you think BWW/WWDB cheated you ?

So, you wanted the functions to be held in your backyard so you could sit in the couch, eat potato chips and build your business?

The money you paid to Airlines, Rental Cars, all that money went into your upline's pocket? or Amway took it from Airlines? You are not even funny Joe. You are disgusting!

There are several professionals who travel every Monday from East Coast to West Coast on Monday on job and pay air fair from their pocket. But they never quit going to work. People travel 40-60 miles daily to work and come back. They never complain.

You paid to Airlines and you blame Amway ?
Your paid to rental cars because you chose to attend seminars in USA and you blame Amway for it?

These things that even a 4th grader will not complain about. But you make this as if Amway took all your money and you poor little guy helplessly watched them.... LOL!

Joecool said...

Do you know how to read? Can you point out where I said Amway was at fault? Yes, WWDB is partly responsible because they lied about many things, as has BWW. I don't care if you believe me or not. What I post here is my experience and it is the truth. I'll bet when you do your taxes, you'll get a bigger return because of the Amway losses to offset your tax liability.

People don't complain about commuting to work because they get a paycheck, which allows them to eat and buy other things that they want and need. Not so with your Amway income.

Anonymous said...

Buddy, Iam not the one drinking that XS piss water every minute of the day, Iam not the one eating shitty energy bars, Iam not the one that has a dirty mouth because glister does not work. I dont wear dirty cloths, eat out of dirty dishes and overpay for cereals. You probably are so weak that you need to eat vitamin pills because exercising is going to kill you.
Why dont you talk to your boss the same way you talk about them in your cult meetings. Oh wait, you are a rat, you will scurry back to your hole when confronted by your boss.
And yea, only idiots pay to listen to the same message over and over again. But you are a rat, so you fall into the same category.
When you cult members are confronted with real questions, you always rely on analogies. Business is business, it is not like a computer, flying an airplane, riding a bicycle, business is business.

GooPhi said...

I find it humorous that he feels the need to post on a blog that he calls pure fiction anyway. If it's all fiction why worry about it?

Anonymous said...

I would love amwayusa to publish his/her financial statement because when you ask an IBO what they make, they just can't seem to come up with the numbers. They seem to think it's ok to harass their friends and family about signing up consistently but all it take is asking for their finances to get them to quiet up real quick. I guess you really do need to be a dreamer to commit to the crazy train that is Amway.

Anonymous said...

smh :)

**proud Amway hater**

ST said...

I love how these amway nuts denigrate the Internet implying that the majority of what you read on the interwebosphere is misinformation. Sure there's tons of garbage out there but with a bit of research and critical thinking skills you should be able to discern good information from bad. Most things that are out there people really believe, amway distributors really believe that amway is flawless, conspiracy theorists really believe that "they" are out to get us. You have to gather as much info as you can about any issue and use sound logic to make your decision. Amway supporters bash the web because the more people read the less likely they are to join. The Internet is the greatest tool for communicating knowledge since the printing press and I'm sure when that first came out the was a lot of crap published too (the bible lol).