Friday, August 12, 2016

What's Your (Amway) Business Worth?

Many many people see the Amway plan, sign up as an IBO in the hopes that Amway income will help them fulfill their dreams and that they will walk away from their jobs at a young age and collect lifelong residual income while walking the beaches of the world. Sadly, most IBOs will never even sponsor a single downline or see a net profit. These IBOs may continue in the business for a while but will eventually quit when they see the writing on the wall. Someone mentioned on another forum that people who want to work 2-5 years and do nothing thereafter are probably lazy and therefore, are not capable of achieving in anything, much less in Amway. I agree with this but even hard working eager IBOs generally make nothing or lose money.

But wait, you're an "independent business owner". So instead of quitting, why not sell your Amway business? I wonder if any IBOs actually think about what their business is worth. I mean a diamond in theory could sell their business and live large happily ever after right? Here's some food for thought. Why are there instance of diamonds quitting or resigning from Amway? Why would they just quit when they could either walk away and collect an income "forever" or sell the business? I mean do IBOs ever stop and think about this? It is an honest and serious question that should get some consideration. Honestly, why would a diamond not walk away if they could collect income forever?

I believe diamonds quit and resign because their business is worth very little or nothing. And most Amway businesses do not even generate a net profit. For IBOs who are seriously pondering on this very important message, try looking up this topic in Amway's rules. There are very complicated steps to be taken when selling your Amway business as each person upline must be offered ownership (To the best of my understanding). This process can go on for a long time and the attrition of your business could render it worthless before you can find a buyer, if you have a buyer at all. Also, if you quit, the downline in your group would be surrendered to the immediate upline anyway. So why would your upline want to buy your business?

So IBOs, I ask you. What is your business worth? You don't own your downline. They are independent owners like yourself. You should not have inventory, employees or some warehouse storage complex. Aside from the ability to add downline volume to your own, your Amway business likely has very little value in the real world. So IBOs and prospects, think about it for a minute. What is the value of your Amway business? Ever see anyone sell their Amway business or actually walk away from Amway to collect residual income? Do you ever wonder why crowns and double diamonds are still working, even beyond retirement age for people with jobs?

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Joe, the simple fact is that there REALLY ISN'T an Amway "business" in any meaningful sense of the word. You don't own anything while you're in Amway. All you are is a commissioned salesperson trying to get other poor schmucks to become commissioned salespersons under you.

Let's look at the attributes of a real business. Suppose you're a bookseller. You have a small shop, along with an office and a storeroom area. You have an inventory of books for sale. You have business records, files, tax returns, and whatever licenses or certificates your locality requires. You have a small regular clientele. You have a certain amount of good will, and perhaps a reputation. You maintain fixed hours of business, and you decide the prices for the books you sell, depending on the demand for them, their rarity, or whether it would be better to put some of them on a discount sale. You pay your rent and utilities. The business is YOURS, and you run it as you think fit.

Is there anything at all like that in Amway? Not a fucking thing. There's NOTHING in Amway that is yours, and nothing that you can decide. All you are is a small cog in a wheel run for the profit of your up-line. You can't even take a piss without consulting some arrogant, fat-assed Platinum. You call yourself an "Independent Business Owner"? Don't make me laugh. You're an Idiotic Brain-dead Oaf.

So who the hell are you going to "sell" your Amway business to? If you don't own something, you can't sell it. And who in God's name would want to buy your Amway "business," when all they have to do is sign up as an IBO on their own, independently?

Joecool said...

Absolutely. Your amway business has no equity. You own nothimg but you spot on the pyramid!

Anonymous said...

The Anon in your blog title "The Amway Iceberg" insisted that he owns "the business" and he is "investing" in "the business" because Anon is proud of the title as Independent Business Owner.

Anonymous said...

Yes,there is nothing such all record like files,taxes or whatever record.i own my conventional biz,and have all those things,but in amway as abo,amway company provide u the system.u just do the marketing,set up ur own daily routine that y we call abo,amway biz owner,all customer services are done by us as abo,we service and then the bonus are what we get every month and every year,there no such as diomand still working in amway biz,they just enjoy their lifestyle as that is their payback time for what they have done to make amway company growth,event as diomand when they give speech they still get paid like 12k usd.you not try to do this wonderful biz,that y u dont really understand the company it self.i as abo enjoy the biz,its a biz,a true biz,if u not sales and service ,they will be no bonus ,same goes as a ceo boutique ,if they not open their shop,so how they going to get customer? But as diomand or emarald in amway the compay give u retirement scheme,pencen.but if the ceo boutique not open thier shop,will they get the pencen? Have a nice day☺

Jimmy Escajeda said...

What has even less equity is participating in a system the doesn't share any part of the profit with it's consumers. Only the already rich get richer! Say what you want about the Amway founders and their family, at least they share the profits with those that use and promote their products unlike the Walton family, which owns Wal-Mart, which controls a fortune equal to the wealth of the bottom 42 percent of Americans combined! It's just a choice of who you support. The people or the already rich.

El Caballero de Anacronia said...

Well, you do have your clients and reputation, but certainly nothing you can sell – there is no equity, as Joecool points. The thing is, Amway is not a traditional business one can buy or sell. It's a completely different model.

Anonymous said...

What's irony is that they kept calling themselves "Business Owners" and yet does not have any fundamentals in financial literature.

Joecool said...

Jimmy, you really think the Amway owners "share" their profits with people who use and promote their products? No, they overcharge you and then give you some back in the form of a bonus. It may be true that the Waltons are wealthy but you get rock bottom prices when you shop at Walmart or Sam's club. Amway can't compete.

Why do you think Walmart does something like 50 times more sales than Amway? The consumers know where to get a deal.



Ben Dover said...

I really don't understand how Amway supporters keep comparing Amway to businesses like Walmart. Everyone in Walmart gets a wage, and nobody has to pay out of pocket to work for Walmart. Walmart generates revenue based on customer retail sales and not on a distributorship. Walmart generates 482 billion dollars a year vs. Amway's dwindling 8 billion currently. Walmart employs 2.1 million people vs. Amway's 3 million person distributorship (this means Amway has to pay more people out of the 8 billion than Walmart does out of the 482 billion, and Amway distributors consist of upwards of 90% of the 8 billion dollars generated in revenue...that's not good.) I'm really not sure how you feel that shopping at Walmart is supporting the wealthy vs. shopping at Amway, and you would have a better case of not wanting to support businesses coming from Asian and Eastern Europe.

Rick said...

I don't even know why I'm replying to this garbage of lies and innuendos. Amway is still succeeding and enriching more lives for the better than any other traditional business and also is beating every other network marketing company that claims they are like Amway or better. Amway is the #1 Affiliate Marketing company in the world. Any one who applies what we teach will win. Not only in the business but in life. It's naysayers and doubters like you idiots that write stupid blogs like this that want to hold people back so they can't get ahead of you.

Rick said...

Bottom line. What the hell do you have that's better than Amway.

Anonymous said...

"provide u the system"

A system where 99% of the masses lose money.

"u just do the marketing"

Amway products are way overpriced and you can't market products online.

Joecool said...

Rick,

Who's lives are enriched by Amway besides the Amway owners and a handful of diamonds? Most business builders lose money. How is your life enriched by losing money?

What's better than Amway? Doing nothing is better than losing money. Writing a check to your upline for $50 a month and doing nothing is better than Amway. Panhandling is more lucrative than Amway. Working part time for minimum wage is more lucrative than Amway.

John Doe said...

Rick said,

"Amway is the #1 Affiliate Marketing company in the world."

Except that Amway isn't an Affiliate Marketing company...it is a MLM company. If you can't make that basic distinction, then you probably don't have a horse in this race. Affiliate Marketing is simply promoting a business and getting commissions every time a customer goes through you to make a purchase from that business. That is completely different from Amway, because Amway makes you buy their products, and in order to generate real revenue through bonuses and higher commissions you have to expand through forming a team. Affiliate marketing has none of that...and you should know this since your business is...marketing.

"Any one who applies what we teach will win. Not only in the business but in life. It's naysayers and doubters like you idiots that write stupid blogs like this that want to hold people back so they can't get ahead of you."

Really Rick!?? You are guaranteeing success...that is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is guaranteed success in business, and anyone who says that they can guarantee success is full of bovine excrement. It's bloggers that help stop people like you from continuously ripping off innocent consumers or people looking to make extra income. Stop with the chicanery...you are completely full of nonsense.

"Bottom line. What the hell do you have that's better than Amway."

Honestly...anything. You could go outside and be nice to the homeless by giving them water, you could go volunteer at a soup kitchen, you could pick up a part time job at a fast food restaurant. Anything will be better for society, and will be better for your bottom line than this nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Notice that Rick uses the royal "we" when speaking about Amway. That means he's in it.

Tell us the truth, Rick. How much money have you lost in Amway so far?

Anonymous said...

Rick, are you a moron or something?

You dare to claim that "Anyone who applies what we teach will win"? Then how the fuck do you explain what Amway admits in its official publications -- namely, that close to 99% of Amway IBOs never show a profit?

Are you saying that 99% of the people who sign up as IBOs in Amway don't apply themselves?

Get your head out of your ass, Rick.

Juzam Jimm said...

Joe Uncool - You say Amway overcharges is customers and then pays profits to the IBOs. Your opinion, not mine. I find that the QUALITY of the products are well WORTH the price I pay for them. The cost of any product is determined by the quality of the item itself. I find that under your reasoning all products should be priced at rock bottom prices. If this were true then I should be able to buy a Tesla Electric Automobile for the same price as a Ford Escort, or organic milk at the same price as non organic. I feel sorry for you. It is obvious you have been doing this for a long time, and what success do you have to show for it?

Amway's products have been at the cutting edge of technology since the beginnings and they have always emphasized Quality in all aspects of all of their philosophies. While nothing and no one is perfect, and many have demonstrated this through out the years, because whenever you deal with flawed people you will have a learning curve. The really COOL thing is that the process keeps getting better and better as long as they are led with a spirit of positivism and optimism. The fruits of this effort is SUCCESS in spite of the negative forces that face it. There will always be fluctuations, ups and downs. The positive forces in the world will focus on the positive and the negative forces will focus on the negatives. It is always obvious to see what slot a person falls into like yourself because they are known for what they spend the majority of their time doing or what it is that they become successful or infamous for. I do fully understand why you don't use or reveal your real name, but rather sadly a handle of a known loved character of Charles Schwartz. Perhaps you would better characterized be the Lucy Character that tries to keeps the good old Charlie Brown down and discouraged.

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Nutrilite® Immunity Echinacea Item #: A5986, Nutrilite® Garlic Heart Care
Item #: A5923, and Nutrilite® Vitamin C Extended Release Item #: 109747

I take these when I feel a cold, flu, sore throat or cough coming. You know, at first sign of a problem. I have not had a full blown version of any of these conditions since adhering to this practice. Although I do realize that this is not what most of these products are marketed for, I have hound through association with other IBOs that it works very well and both my wife and I have been free of the debilitating effects of these common ailments for over 9 years! I am usually lucky to skip a year without having to deal with at least one of them. I own a conventional business which is a game store and I get a LOT of kids that bring all their wonderful germs with them, they seem to come to my store even when they miss school.

I have found that the quality of other products does not compare to the quality of Amway's products. Other nutritional supplements sold in Wal-Mart, Target and even the GNC stores have also have been recently found to not have the advertised quantities of ingredients etc according to claims. There is a history of this occurring.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-expands-investigation-into-herbal-supplements/

Amway Nutrilite® is NSF® Certified for both advertised content, and professional athletic Banned Substances. They are the official company that performs this function for the MLB, NFL, and almost every other professional sports organization. Bottom line is this Costs money that the others don't spend on their products, and ensures quality. The thousands of Acres of organic farm land and the quality control of all process from seed to supplement also costs money. I don't have enough time to list all of the reasons people like you have to complain about every singe little detail about the pros and cons of anything and everything, but obviously you do because that's what you negative people do.



Anonymous said...

This jerk Rick runs something called "Liberty Marketing," which seems to be a disguised tool-peddling system for Amway.

Joecool said...

Jimmy, the problem you are not seeing is that Amway products are the Ford escort being sold at Tesla prices.

Jimmy Escajeda said...

Well I finally see that my post I left on Aug 15th is "approved" after complaining on an other feed yesterday. Good Job! Amway has much faster and much better service though I must say! LOL. Actually Joe Uncool, The problem I am seeing is that you did not read the rest of my post, as I go on to explain exactly why (in only one category, Nutrilite) Is like a Tesla, automobile sold at the price of a Jaguar, for example. It's the quality that more than justifies the price. There are other various but similar examples for ALL of the other products. I just chose the Nutrilite example, but you should have known this, because you claim to have reached the 4000 PV, level at one time yourself, and you should have used the products yourself, and if not then or if you "claim" to have found out otherwise, then it is really you that is the scammer for building a business as far as you did with your personal opinion of the products being bad but selling them anyway. I believe that this is not the case though because The products are truly superior to other brands, however there has been time for other brands to improve since Amway's inception. Some big time retail brands have indeed improved over decades, and may be catching up, but this is the way free market competition should be, and I am grateful for Amway's contribution for setting the standard in several categories of products, forcing the competition to get better, but this would never have been possible without the support of the IBOs and customers that loyally support a quality company with quality products, and pay an upgraded price for their superior products.

You see Joe, most every ordinary person that watches too much TV, and that is the majority sadly, are the ones that are truly brainwashed. They like yourself look at the price of stuff and because they "Love money" soooo much, try to squander as much of it as they can by "saving" or hoarding their money, rather than pay a fair price for what they buy. The cheaper they buy their products, the happier they are, some are never satisfied until they get their products for free! Then Happy day! look all around you and see if the free and/or cheap mentality is not the most prevalent. Wal-Mart very slogan is "Save more, Live Better - Wal-Mart." Well I'm here to tell you that by buying cheap, and getting poor quality, it doesn't, make my life better, but worse. Furthermore it hurts many quality manufacturers of fine products, WHOMEVER they may be, not just Amway, because if people become price driven over quality driven, quality companies go out of business, and we get stuck with third world quality. I don't want watered down products, or products with unnecessary fillers. I don't want products that will harm my family or the earth in which we live. I am not so attached to my money that I care MORE about saving it, than the quality I can bring to my family buy paying for awesome quality products at a fair price for that quality. I am NOT trying to take advantage of good companies just as I would not want to take advantage of anyone else, and I support those that do the same, and try my best to educate those that don't understand or have been brainwashed by the mass media about why we do what we do. That's all I can fit in less than the 4,096 character limit you have. Very sneaky! I typed sooo much more than this.

John Doe said...

Juzaam Jim,

That was a lot of stuff you posted, and it made for a very interesting read. In an effort to not sift through every single line of your post...I would like to point out three things.

1. "I find that the QUALITY of the products are well WORTH the price I pay for them. The cost of any product is determined by the quality of the item itself. I find that under your reasoning all products should be priced at rock bottom prices. If this were true then I should be able to buy a Tesla Electric Automobile for the same price as a Ford Escort, or organic milk at the same price as non organic. I feel sorry for you. It is obvious you have been doing this for a long time, and what success do you have to show for it?"

First of all, there is no such thing as a better quality vitamin...and the ability to absorb vitamins has been proven by many scientific clinics to not be relevant because people aren't vitamin deficient anymore (we don't have cases of scurvy, because we get plenty of vitamin C in our diets). The Mayo Clinic explains here, http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-blog/multivitamins/bgp-20056285...there are many common misconceptions with vitamin effectiveness and the amount needed.

Jimmy your comparisons are not even in the same ball park...how about comparing two similar things like nutrilite vs. kirkland brand multivitamins (you will see kirkland offers a more complete multivitamin at 20% of the cost), or XS with Monster Energy (monster is also about 1/5 the cost or 20%, and has the same abilities except for B12 which is unnecessarily high in XS). Comparing a Tesla to a Ford Escort is ridiculous...they aren't even remotely in the same market, and you can't tell me that they should be, or you are just lying to yourself. The same goes for that bizarre milk comparison as they are actually two different items.

2. "The really COOL thing is that the process keeps getting better and better as long as they are led with a spirit of positivism and optimism. The fruits of this effort is SUCCESS in spite of the negative forces that face it. There will always be fluctuations, ups and downs. The positive forces in the world will focus on the positive and the negative forces will focus on the negatives. "

This is truly a bizarre sequence of words. I think you are trying to suggest that the products are better than others, because they have a lot of good energy? That doesn't really make much sense in the business spectrum, and I'm fairly confident if you said that your gaming store was better than others because your products have a good aura...people would laugh in your face. Science is what makes products better, and not some weird voodoo energy.

John Doe said...

3. "Amway Nutrilite® is NSF® Certified for both advertised content, and professional athletic Banned Substances. They are the official company that performs this function for the MLB, NFL, and almost every other professional sports organization. Bottom line is this Costs money that the others don't spend on their products, and ensures quality. The thousands of Acres of organic farm land and the quality control of all process from seed to supplement also costs money."

Cool, they are certified as a sports nutrition tablet...because that's what they are used for...sports nutrition (I can tell as a game store owner, that you are concerned about your sports performance). I think the first thing we should do, is figure out what NSF certifies...http://www.nsf.org/consumer-resources/what-is-nsf-certification/dietary-sports-supplements-certification.

They certify 3 things: The label is accurate to the contents of the bottle, toxicology to certify the formulation is accurate (DOES NOT PROVE EFFICACY!!!), and they make sure there are no foreign ingredients.

This is why they got this stupid certification...they can prove they list ingredients and put it in a bottle...they don't prove that they work! This is essentially a meaningless label/certification of proof. Sure, it is nice to know that the ingredients are accurate, and I agree that the deregulated vitamins/supplements market right now is tragic (you can thank Sen. Orrin Hatch for this one), as he is paid to lobby and deregulate this market. Guess what...this HELPS AMWAY!!! Amway is allowed to put out a non FDA (the real certification people) approved supplement and nobody bats an eye.

Joecool said...

Jimmy, there's no scientific evidence (other than from Amway)that indicates that nutrilite is better than any other vitamins that can be purchased at a fraction of the price elsewhere. And nutrilite vitamins contain some synthetic components. Only IBOs have such a high opinion of them. You are selling a ford escort for the price of a Tesla.

You got the Walmart slogan wrong. It's "save money, live better". Walmart will match any advertised price. Amway's is "now you know" There's nothing to show that Walmart's products are of less quality than things sold by Amway. That's just your biased opinion.

Why not talk about how poor of a business opportunity Amway is? Most people, the vast majority make nothing or lose money. You are better off watching TV than doing Amway.

Anonymous said...

Jimmy Escajeda's entire argument is a distraction and a diversion from the main issue at hand. It's a typical Amway ploy: when things get too hot for you in an Amway presentation, change the subject to something else.

All Escajeda can talk about is the supposed "quality" of Amway products, and why it would be better if everyone bought them, despite their high price. But the alleged quality of a product is by its very nature subjectively judged by the consumer. Some people like Coors; other people like Schlitz; and some people don't drink beer at all. Tastes and preferences are to a large degree dependent on the individual.

Escajeda makes a totally illogical argument: he basically says that Amway costs more but he (Jimmy Escajeda) likes it, and therefore Amway is better for everybody else too. That kind of thinking is completely absurd. If I like expensive black olives from Greece, does that mean expensive black olives from Greece should be purchased by the whole world?

Amway products might be good, or indifferent, or lousy. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT! The major issue here, and at every other website and blog that criticizes the Amway Corporation, is the fraudulence and corruption of its business plan for IBOs. Deal with that, Jimmy Escajeda! Don't keep harping on the fact that you have a personal preference for some Amway products. No one cares about that.

You can also tell, from his whining, that Escajeda is a control-freak (as most Amway types are). He is infuriated that people are still buying from Wal-Mart, and are not spending extra money the way he does for his Amway stuff. Well Jimmy, who the hell are you? What gives you the right to tell American citizens that they shouldn't purchase goods from the retailers that they want to buy from? Are you God or something? Why don't you just mind your own business? Or has your Amway up-line convinced you that you have to convert the whole world to MLM purchases?

You're a Holier-Than-Thou asshole. No wonder you're involved in Amway.

John Doe said...

I don't know how Jimmy could have said, "I typed sooo much more than this." Since he managed to use a lot of words to say basically two things.

1. Amway has superior quality in its products (not true, never has been true, has been scientifically proven to be untrue, continues to be untrue, even at the end of this sentence will continue to be untrue).

2. Buying more expensive products that are the same as cheaper competitive products is the best way to save money. "try to squander as much of it as they can by "saving" or hoarding their money, rather than pay a fair price for what they buy. The cheaper they buy their products, the happier they are, some are never satisfied until they get their products for free! "

I'm all for trying to keep manufacturing and distribution in the United States, but that isn't possible for a lot of products. It doesn't really matter for those particular products, because American businesses are the ones outsourcing the work anyways (Gap, H & M, Urban Outfitters etc.).

With the previous paragraph being completely wrong, one can deduce your logic for the next paragraph is also wrong. Paying for things that are cheaper does not mean that they are lower quality. I buy store brand stuff all the time instead of the name brand products, and they are more than adequate (usually the exact same ingredients), and cost far less. That's called being a smart shopper...

For that matter if I went to your game store and you charged $20.00 for a checkers board and then I went to Wal-Mart and they charged $15.00...I WOULD BUY IT AT WALMART! Why the heck would I give you $5.00 more just because...? (For you math people out there...that's 25%!!!) It's the same darn thing!

If you dare type another response...can you not make these big block paragraphs, and get to the point a bit quicker? It is very irritating to read your responses like that.

Jimmy Escajeda said...

The scientific fact (which is truth as it stands) is that Nutrilite's products are ORGANIC and professionally VERIFIED for advertised CONTENT and devoid of banned substances unlike virtually all other brands, which by default makes it proven to have superior quality when compared to all other unregulated brands by default especially in light of recent (and past) law suits conducted by various government entities finding that most all major brands do not contain advertised content. I don't know how you can basically state that I only said basically 2 things in summary.

furthermore If you came to my game store you wouldn't find the same brand of checkerboard that Wal-mart carries for I have higher quality items than Wal-mart. Therefore your argument is still proving my point. YOU LOVE MONEY MORE THAN VALUE or.... You would rather think you are paying less than you should for than paying a fair price for better quality.

By saying I typed so much I was basically saying that there was much more that I typed that was rejected by the blog program for it only allows 4096 characters per post or reply so I had to delete my even more in depth response and truncate it down in order to post. In my opinion if the blog post can be over 4096 characters to make it's point, why limit reply's to fewer than 4097 characters?

Amway's partner companies are not Amway btw so don't blame Amway for where they buy some portion of their products. The Partner companies benefit all involved mutually in some form or fashion, but by no means are the meat of Amway earnings. I'd venture to assume that most people have at some time bought items outside the US which is not a crime, not even close, as a matter of fact it's called equal opportunity for we are all human beings on this here planet and people all over the world deserve to have opportunity unless of course you really only think that only Americans count.

Jimmy Escajeda said...

I am not infuriated that people buy from Walmart, thank you very much for putting false words in my mouth. I have no problem with people buying whatever they want from anyone they want to. The just have to deal with not having any opportunity to make money and with buying low quality merchandise. have a nice life with that and we don't need you to succeed.

We offer a better choice for those who would like those options however. This is the meat of why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. They can stay poor if they want, while those that work an opportunity until they succeed will earn the right to get richer, along with all those that do the same. As for those that quit the get to remain the same. THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED NO MATTER WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS! AMWAY OR ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY!

Jimmy Escajeda said...

I'm sorry you feel that I am holier than thou art, it really shouldn't matter since you are anonymous should it?

Joecool said...

Jimmy, nutrilite vitamins contain synthetic ingredients so they are not 100% organic. And there's not unbiased evidence that nutrilite vitamins are any better than the cheaper products you can get elsewhere. But hey, if you like paying more for Amway stuff, that's up to you.

But the real debate is the Amway business. Amway's own disclosures show that only .26% of IBOs reach the gold level. That's 1 out of about 400 IBOs that earn about the equivalent of working full time for minimum wage.

The vast majority of people who join Amway make nothing or lose money.

And people have difficulty making money in Amway because - Amway sells generic type products at premium prices. Why would I pay $6 for a tube of glister when I can get 2-3 tubes of Crest for $6? Why would I pay $10 for a 10 ounce bottle of satinique when I can get a 20 ounce bottle of Suave for $3?

Even if you get "paid" to buy Amway stuff, I'm still better off buying stuff much cheaper and not getting a few cents in return. But in fact, I can use a cash back credit card and get some cash back for shopping at WalMart and Target and still get products much cheaper than Amway. And I don't need to read books and attend functions to learn this!

Jimmy, how much are you losing in Amway each month? Serious question.

Anonymous said...

This guy Jimmy seriously believes that if he buys overpriced Amway goods, it will eventually make him rich. And he seems to think that the only "opportunity" for getting rich in this world is Amway.

This is the height of intellectual provincialism.

John Doe said...

Jimmy,

You said, "The scientific fact (which is truth as it stands) is that Nutrilite's products are ORGANIC and professionally VERIFIED for advertised CONTENT and devoid of banned substances unlike virtually all other brands, which by default makes it proven to have superior quality when compared to all other unregulated brands by default especially in light of recent (and past) law suits conducted by various government entities finding that most all major brands do not contain advertised content."

First of all...this is somehow only one sentence. You are literally foaming at the mouth while you are typing. Let's take what you said, and give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's say Nutrilite is wonderful, organic, and the contents are accurate...WHO CARES!?!?! It has no proven EFFICACY (that means people can't prove it works), why the heck would you spend money on something with no proof of concept, or for that matter on something that has the same ingredients and costs 4x MORE than the competitors. For the record you haven't named one competitive brand that is under scrutiny right now, and instead have made weird blanket statements.

You said, "furthermore If you came to my game store you wouldn't find the same brand of checkerboard that Wal-mart carries for I have higher quality items than Wal-mart. Therefore your argument is still proving my point. YOU LOVE MONEY MORE THAN VALUE or.... You would rather think you are paying less than you should for than paying a fair price for better quality."

I simply compared two checkerboards for the sole purpose of playing the game. Let's not get out of control here and start making weird stuff up. The reason Walmart can charge less is because their focus is on volume rather than retail sales...fair? If I have a need for a niche product that Walmart doesn't have, then I will go find it somewhere else. However, to suggest everyone who shops at Walmart is getting low quality products is absurd! Walmart is not a weird local flea market, but rather a major chain store with strong connections to major brands...

Maybe this comparison will help you, since you like to play both sides of the fence with your comparisons. If I buy a bottle of Coke at Walmart for $1.00 and it is $1.50 over at my local grocery store, you cannot say I am getting worse quality. They are the same product...fair? That's a savings of 33%...No more apples to oranges comparisons, let's just stick to the facts. Amway has no ingredients in its Nutrilite products that are, "higher quality", or scientifically better BECAUSE THERE IS NO EFFICACY THAT ANY OF IT WORKS!!! By suggesting that products are higher quality, you are suggesting that they have higher effectiveness than their competitors.

This is not a difficult concept to understand...



Anonymous said...

To Jimmy Escajeda:

You say you don't care if people buy from Wal-Mart or from any other non-Amway source.

Really?

Then why are you trying to recruit them as new IBOs in your down-line? If, as you claim, you "don't need" others to succeed, why are you in Amway recruiting others, why are you here defending Amway, why are you making such a big stink about how great Amway products are, and why are you pontificating about the great Amway plan for getting rich?

Don't try to kid us, Jimmy. You're a proselytizer for Amway, pure and simple. You know damned well that you won't "earn the right to grow rich" just by selling some Amway products to the general public. The only way you make money in Amway is by convincing stupid people to become IBOs under you in your down-line.

So don't pretend to be a disinterested observer who is above it all.

By the way, you still haven't answered Joe Cool's question about how much money you have lost so far in Amway.

Jimmy Escajeda said...

Quite honestly I don't know why I continue this conversation with cowards who hide behind aliases.

Joecool said...

I heard this saying once.

When the debate is lost, slander is the tool of the loser.

Anonymous said...

It looks like Jimmy Escajeda got scared and ran away. Typical of Amway freaks.