Sunday, April 19, 2020

Amway IBO Assumptions?

A recent comment on this blog made me chuckle.  It was something about how Joecool is a loser who has nothing better to do than tear down this fabulous Amway opportunity.  That is not verbatim but the jist of the comment.  Many Amway defending folks are typically new IBOS who are just fired up about Amway because they have believed the lies about 2-5 years of work with reasonable assurance that they will achieve financial freedom, walk the beaches of the world and tell their bosses to “shove it”.

The author also assumes that Joecool must be a broke and bitter loser who can only criticize and hasn’t achieved anything in life.  I hate to break the news to my critics but after my Amway days, I focused on my job, worked a second job to earn money to invest in my retirement and I figured out that Bill Gates made the Amway owners look like paupers because of Microsoft.  There was a rumor that Amway created more millionaires than any other company.  That is false.  Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon make Amway look like a welfare case.  The bitter Joecool worked for a pension which I started collecting at age 55 and I had invested in Microsoft in 1997 the year after I quit Amway.   That paid off better than Amway.  Thank you very much.

I was very lucky to purchase my own home in Hawaii back in the year 2002 for about $300k.   My home is currently valued at close to a million dollars and while I have a small mortgage, I have more than enough cash to pay off the note.  Now I know that many will call BS on my claim but I am willing to prove it but it will cost you a sizable settlement because I can’t prove anything without revealing who I am.  But I will take the wager if anyone dares.

But enough about me.  What are IBOs doing now that you can’t prospect?  I’m sure doing business online is rough which is ironic since Amway is an online business.   But I digress.  Why do Amwayers assume that that anyone critical of Amway is broke?  I believe the opposite is true.  When I was in Amway, I was young and in an entry level job.  I retired in a management level position supervising many people.

So back to Amway, are you making real net profit in Amway or faking it till you hope you are making it?

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

When Amway freaks scream "Anybody not in Amway is a broke loser!" they are just making a religious statement, like "There is no God but Allah!" It doesn't represent any observable reality, but merely reflects an emotional state of mind.

You would have to deaf, dumb, and blind not to see that there are millions of persons in the world who are financially well off and who aren't involved in some two-bit pyramid scheme -- which is all that Amway is.

Anonymous said...

LTD is having a spring leadership conference live streaming this weekend. They are advertising that with a purchase of that ticket, the downlines will get a "special surprise," which is being able to access another spring conference next weekend. Even with being quarantined, the uplines are making sure they get their money and keep their minions brainwashed.

Anonymous said...

I do believe Amway is a somewhat reputable company but how did it get so corrupted and allow itself to be linked to such LOS as BWW, Net 32, LTD?

Anonymous said...

I do believe Amway is a somewhat reputable company but how did it get so corrupted and allow itself to be linked to such LOS as BWW, Net 32, LTD?

Anonymous said...

The various LOS subsystems did not become "linked" to Amway, as if they had existed independently of Amway. They GREW OUT OF AMWAY, like mushrooms out of rotting vegetation.

The subsystems (called Lines of Support, or Amway Motivational Organizations) were started by hotshot Amway big pins who realized that there were potentially huge profits in training new IBOs. Such training had been done on an individual basis previously -- your immediate up-line would train you in how to sell Away products, and how to recruit new members. But why not turn such individual training into an organized system, one where the IBO would be obliged to join up, pay regular fees, buy prepared "tools"(books, tapes, CDs, etc.), and go to expensive "functions" to be propagandized and energized? It was too good to pass up!

So these big pins (Yager, Britt, Puryear, and the rest) set up the various subsystems (WWDB, BWW, Network 21, Leadership Team) and they became the funnels by which these new huge profits went to the big pins, but also to Amway itself. Amway in Ada, Michigan of course liked the idea at first. But after a while Amway realized that the tail was wagging the dog -- the subsystems became fiercely independent, and refused to obey any Amway directives that they didn't like. The subsystems basically said to Amway "You just make the goddamned products. We'll sell them!"

The subsystems had Amway by the balls. If a subsystem collapsed or went over to become an independent MLM, Amway was going to lose a lot of money. So Amway had to keep its mouth shut about whatever the subsystems did.

And that is precisely the situation that still exists today.

Anonymous said...

I feel ashamed to say I fell for the Amway gimmick back in high school.

The constant need to convince myself I needed to spend more money on their overpriced, inferior products (because I needed to support my "own" business, right?) Is simply cringeworthy.

Also looking back at how you needed to pay someone to mentor you at conferences is filthy. Falling for paying someone to teach me how to make them money is a load b.s.

Everyone gets so defensive over this blog because they're afraid potential downlines will come across it, persuading them not to join. Power to you for saving thousands of people time and hard earned money.

Anonymous said...

Yo I saw all u running yo mouths about Manny Winston. Y don't you suck his meat he's rich as can be. Y don't yall call him and get ur 1's in with him. His number

Anonymous said...

Who's this asshole at 3:42 PM?

Anonymous said...

Hey, Anonymous at 3:42 PM --

Take your ghetto jive and shove it.

Anonymous said...

Manny Winston wasn't even mentioned in this post, and yet the jive-spouting ghetto dude at 3:42 PM went on as if Winston were the subject of the conversation. What an asshole.

Anonymous said...

Manny Winston of the Richmond, VA LTD/ Amway team is a con artist like the rest of the diamonds and uplines. His whole personality and vibe is that of a sleazy used car salesman. He recently went diamond but I bet 98% of his big downline are making 10 dollar bonus checks or less. How could any "Christian" come into a scheme like Amway and think you are "helping people" or bringing them to Christ when all you are doing is exploiting people for your own financial benefit? Manny Winston has many brainwash in this LTD cult and it's sad. They are being sold a BS dream that only 00.3% of people in this pyramid scheme ever reach. Then being told lies that they are entrepreneurs and "winners" for being in this SMH. In reality they are commissioned sales people for Amway nothing more. It's all disgusting and sad that in 2020 this crap is still a thing.

P.S Manny Winston is the REAL loser here as he now is working the Amway JOB for the rest of his life to keep is downline from quitting and losing income.