Sunday, December 18, 2022

The Legal Loophole?

 There's been some interesting debate, although not that recently (you'd have to search for it at this point.  Search Amway and scam.), on the James Randi Educational Forum (JREF). Most call Amway a scam and one prolific defender cites the point that IBOs are not Amway. And Amway doesn't sell training materials. While that is legally true, the owner of Amway, back in 1983 acknowledged that the sale of tools was, basically unethical and possibly illegal. However, inaction by the Amway corporation led to the heyday of the tool scam and financial abuse of downline. There's the loophole that covers Amway. IBOs are independent.

However, these same IBO leaders could not run free scamming downline if Amway were to intervene. I believe Amway doesn't take any apparent significant action for fear that these leaders would move their groups to another MLM. The result over the years is a lousy reputation in the US where the name Amway is associated with pyramid, scam and other undesirables. I suppose Amway has survived though, because of a saying by PT Barnum. There's a sucker born every minute. I suppose there are enough pockets of young or unsuspecting people who can still be convinced to join, so it's business as usual.

Which brings to to the next point. Unfortunately, new IBOs are basically suckers. They pay a fee to Amway, in order to become an unpaid Amway salesperson. You absorb your own time and expenses in order to move Amway products, and if you move enough of them, you can get a minimal bonus. You also at your own time and expense, recruit other unpaid salespeople for Amway. Your reward for this is you get credited for a portion of their sales, provided they use or actually sell anything. Most IBOs do little or nothing so your efforts are usually in vain.

But the real trick is to have IBO leaders convince downline that voicemail and cds and live meetings (seminars) can actually help you succeed. There is zero unbiased evidence to suggest that this training or tools do anything but make handsome profits for the people who sell them. Even if many IBOs sign up and do nothing, there are enough serious ones to support the pharoah diamond leaders. And food for thought, do IBOs really need voicemail in an age of email, twitter, facebook and other more efficient means of communication?

So yes, Amway IBOs are not Amway. Amway diamond leaders are not Amway.

But if Amway cannot or will not stop those who taint their name, then they simply must live with the reputation of being a scam or a pyramid. They can be legal to the letter of the law, but most people see it for what it is. Being legal doesn't necessarily mean ethical or moral. It is my opinion that when you sign up for Amway, you are nearly assured of losing money. It's not your fault though, it is the result of a bad system. I encourage everyone to do their due diligence before joining any business, Amway notwithstanding.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Joe, is it possible to join Amway as an IBO without being involved in any AMO subsystem?

When my cousin dragged me into Amway back in 1970, there was no mention at all about URA, or Network 21, or LTD, or WWDB, or any other "Line of Support" organization. We were just "members of Amway."

Is it still possible to do this? If it were, there would be no need to buy "tools" or pay fees for meetings or go to those idiotic "functions." An IBO could just concentrate on selling the products, and developing a down-line.

Joecool said...

Yes, it is possible to join without an AMO subsystem, but as IBO or prospect would have no way of knowing this and is unlikely to be able to avoid it. And that's mainly because the subsystems such as WWDB are the ones out rabidly recruiting anyone who breathes.

But yes, selling products, perhaps to a niche market, it possible. That said, it would be likely be easier to just find cheaper stuff to buy and sell off Amazon or some other specialty product. Even selling a service such as installing metal security doors or vinyl flooring can pay quite well as a side hustle.