Saturday, October 8, 2011

What Is The Truth About Amway?

One of the things that irks me about some Amway leaders is their blatant revisionist history. They never take responsibility for anything except for the miniscule amounts of success that seeps through their system. Real problems and issues are ignored, or leaders pretend they never happened, or they simply rewrite history to fit their goals and agendas. And to make matters worse, these same leaders teach their downline to accept personal responsibility for their failures, even when downline faithfully purchase and apply teaching from tools such as voicemail, standing orders and functions.

One good example was the complete lie that nobody made profits from tools. Then when caught red handed, leaders now admit that they make profits from tools but nobody seems to know exactly how much, or how you actually qualify to receive compensation. And there was no backlash for having told such blatant lies.

Leaders in my former LOS, WWDB used to teach how so few IBO couples ever gets divorced. I heard that Amway couples had a 2% divorce rate as compared to the rest of the world where over 50% of couples get divorced. Yet, WWDB uses their own revisionst history. One good example is Howie Danzik, who WWDB says built his business as a single and later married Theresa Tsuruda. I guess I must have imagined the emerald function I attended where Howie and his wife at the time, Susan, said they built the business together. There are other examples of this, but what amazes me is how the downlines seem to ignore these facts.

Another recent example was how an IBO insisted that a prominent triple diamond in WWBD did not have homes foreclosed or was not involved in bankruptcy proceedings, even when there are numerous public documents providing ample evidence that it is true. It's mind boggling. If Tiger Woods were a diamond and denied that he had any affairs, I bet his downline would believe him as well. Scary.

I just have to wonder when IBOs, who dedicate themselves to various systems, will ever hold these leaders accountable for their actions. If you buy a television and it didn't work, you would ask for a refund. Well, if those standing orders and functions contain vital information and you apply them and they don't work, you should ask for a refund as well. People should also ask upline the tough questions. If someone gives you bad advice, they should be held accountable. If someone tells you buying a home with a mortgage is stupid because of the interest you will pay, then you find out they have "interest only loans", that makes them a hypocrite and their advice should be questioned.

Don't allow these well compensated leaders to simply rewrite history to ignore their mistakes and trangressions.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

PISS ON SCAMWAY!

**proud Amway hater**

ConnieF said...

The cult aspects of Amway (influencing/isolating from family & friends, "us vs. them" mentality, so as I say/not as I do, accept upline's words as gospel truth, don't ask/don't tell the truth) make many people ignore the obvious.

Amway DOESN'T WORK, it's not a viable business, period!! All the saying so, all the sprouting Amway-speak, and all the lies don't make it so. You can't put a silk dress on a pig and call it a georgeous woman.

You can't that is if you are in your right mind.

Anonymous said...

IBHoe's are like a NBA Team that are at the bottom of there Division. They will Lie, Manipulate, Distract, Avoid, Ignore the truth!

Sadly they don't care how they win there Division as long as they win it no matter what it takes!!

This is just another reason I don't have patience, and get pist off real easy with IBO's because there defense is the same BS and they cant admit the truth!

A true Example of my past Upline sharing a short message of the Plan but yet Promoting his lame ass Business Opportunity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJwbQleDuOg

Anonymous said...

AMWAY IS THE MOST AMAZING BUSINESS EVER. I AM SORRY THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL LOSERS! THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AMAZING LIVES THANKS TO PUTTING FORTH EFFORT IN THE AMWAY BUSINESS. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU SPEAK. THAT WAY YOU DONT SOUND SO DUMB!

Anonymous said...

What a joke. I am VERY familiar with Amway. They are exactly like Jehovah witnesses in the way they discount (to sound nice) friends and family if they don't "do as they do". I'm also VERY familiar with the JW "thinking" too. Scarey.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes, I forgot to mention. I "was" 4000pv plus, made no money. (Spent quite a bit going to rah rah meetings all over the country tho). And I "was" related to a now divorced double diamond, triple diamond....whatever he is. My Sister in law (the divorced woman) is no longer involved with the "business" and no longer appears on stage to get looked up to like some kind of God that the thousands attending should know better. I'm quite embarrassed that I even attended such things.

ST said...

@anon June 28: I think your capslock is stuck on.

Anonymous said...

People are people no matter where you go. The fact that their is hypocrisy, divorce, and flaws in the program does not mean the program is bunk - that's just human nature. Amway is definitely not a cult and if you had a bad experience, I'm guessing it's just because your organization was not a solid true north leg of the business. I'm very sorry you had a bad experience. But that's no reason to publicly bash someone like Howie Danzik who is a man of integrity, honesty, and family values. Thousands of people are benefitting greatly from the work that he has done. Howie & Theresa Danzik are world changers who deserve the credit and recognition WWDB gives them! And if you think anything negative about WWDB, I have to say, it's not them, it's YOU. WWDB is the finest group of people I have ever had the privelege to be around. Please consider whether your opinion is worth ruining this man's reputation.

Anonymous said...

lmfao

Anonymous said...

Amen brother. I was hoping someone would put a plug on the fountain of ignorance here. WWDB is by far one of the finest group of people around and Amway is an incredible business model that exemplifies the American dream.

Anonymous said...

WWDB is a bunch of lying crooks. Greg Duncan in bankruptcy and was always hyping Xcess energy drink at all the functions...never once having the integrity to acknowledge that he had a financial stake in the company. 2-5 year plan to financial independence..and yet during the 5 years I was in working my ass off...from the dawn of Quixtar...not a single person in WWDB became financially independent in that 5 year span...and neither did I. If their fraudulent system worked...wouldn't you think that there would have been someone who could succeed in 5 years? 2-5 years my ass.

Anonymous said...

you know greg Duncan made mistakes as we all do even his brother mentioned it in a video but it doesn't negate no matter what you do and plan to do what you put your mind to it will happen belief and focus on the goal. As for marriage it happens to many people but easier to build dreams if you believe. As for Jehovah witnesses unless you were one how would you know. They are good people and if you do good no matter what religion and give back you will get back in the richness of life instead of negative. Negative begets negative. Im here only to say "live for something or die for nothing" I have seen people in this business make great money to keep there wife home and work for freedom. Let the past be the past why rehash. Even his brother said that's my brother not me. He didn't agree with what he did either he also said that he has made millions. As far as Danzik great guy and a belief in something greater than we can even imagine. The truth is scare when you consider the alternative. Wish everyone the best of luck and never give up it your pursuit of happiness.

Anonymous said...

Howie Danzik claims his "marriage" to Susan was fake because building it single was more challenging I read in one of his stories and all the successful people were couples. Check out El Paso County, Colorado vital records - They don't record marriage/dissolution of marriage documents for people that were "not really" married. Check the facts, I lived there and knew them. We had the same upline direct (Dick McCreery) I was at his fake wife's retirement party. Just sayin'

Joecool said...

So Howie Danzik lied when he did the function in Hawaii with his wife Susan?

Anonymous said...

Yes he did. Susan was his sister. I knew Howie personally. Went to his house in Colorado Springs many times. Was at his house days after the announcement that Susan was having an affair and that was the reason for the "divorce". He was my upline diamond. I have never felt so betrayed in my life.

Joecool said...

Susan Danzik was his sister? That sounds like BS

Anonymous said...

scambot alert!

james henderson said...

My name is James Henderson I live in Castle Rock Colorado I was direct under Howie glad for his success but Amway is not a Scam but is not upfront in regards to how you really make big money in the business and become a diamond. I have nothing to hide and you can contact me on twitter @ositg you make money off the other people buying products for their house and getting other people to do the same then if you are a great speaker and motivator like Howie you become a part of the inner circle to sell tapes and rally tickets to people with that same hope it is like rats eating on each other and the strong rat wins.
Howie is a big strong RAT I not mad just wish I was a little smarter at 20 when I was sold the promise with my last 225.00 to buy the kit and left with no training on how to feed on the mice.
I finally made it to the 100k club years back but I did as a computer engineer and not feeding on other people.
I know people doing Quick Star / Amway but they know what they are doing and know they are looking for mice to feed on we are not friends anymore I do not roll like that.
CAN YOU MAKE MONEY IN Amway YES with the right training and feeding on other mice to become the big rat.
The trough that is house business is done but if in the end if you are not giving a good product what you are doing is wrong is away wrong yes a scam no because you can make money. I do not choose to make money like that. No my caps is not broken I have nothing to sell nothing to gain or lose just giving it to you straight from someone that knows a away double diamond from the old days

Joecool said...

Hi James, so Amway is not a scam but running the business the way Howie taught you is a pyramid scheme.

Anonymous said...

Howie Danzik has always said his ex- ex wife left him. Never claimed to be single while building it. She wasnt a huge supporter though. That has been what he said since the late 90s.

Joecool said...

BS, his WWDB website sure didn't say that. In fact some IBO's were told lies by the diamonds and denied that Howie was even divorced. I attended Howie and Susan Danzik's emerald function. Howie has not "always" said his wife left him. What's also at debate is why they divorced.

Anonymous said...

Wow. And truly amazing.
Who knew there were seriously that many ignorant (and not so smart) misinformed people, and especially here in this country...America...really?
Amway; American Way dumb dumbs.
Ah. We know you are someone really sad and broken sitting in a dark basement somewhere wasting all the beautiful and valuable time that the good Lord has given you to sit and bash and be bitter. Really, really oh so sad.
Ugh. You were created for a greater purpose, Amway/Worldwide Dreambuilders or not. (Although it is truly God given. Sorry you missed the boat)
Find your true God given purpose. And stop wasting away doing this silly computer Amway/Dreambuilders bashing....
Seriously. You were meant for more and better. Sad sad sad

Joecool said...

Yes, I think you are sad and ignorant. I'm not in a basement. I live in Hawaii near some of the most beautiful beaches in the world.

Please don't spout blasphemy that Amway was created by The Lord. The Lord wouldn't want people getting ripped off by WWDB.

How much have you made from Amway? $10?

Anonymous said...

Maybe Howie was married to his sister lol. Doesn't sound strange in the world of amway

Joecool said...

I doubt that Susan was his sister. But he claims Susan was the reason for the divorce. Maybe she couldn't handle scamming thousands of people to make their living??

Anonymous said...

Yes. The bane of any Ambot is to grow a conscience and actually care about the lives and finances your scam is causing others to go through just so you can make money off of them. The whole way any pyramid works (and, yes, it's a pyramid even if they have some technicality that allows them to not call it that) is to continually draw in new victims to siphon money from to keep feeding those at the very top. The vast majority of the pyramid loses money.

Unknown said...

I love Howie and Theresa! And I love Amway! :) I earn back my renewal and some for only buying the products for myself. I'm 31 and have been my own business owner since 23. You can build it or not but no one makes you buy anything. If you signed up to own your own business there is nothing stupid about that. Don't spend money you don't have and you won't regret what you bought. I love the products and partner stores that I'm sure some of you shop at. Howie loves Theresa and doesn't need to bring up the past. Hope you all are able to move past your hurts. -Aleesha

Joecool said...

Right, Revisionist history. Don't bring up the past. Just believe the lies.

Dan Fadness said...

http://www.euromonitor.com/amway-claims

Seems legit to me. People are just trolls

Joecool said...

Daniel, what does your link have to do with Howie Danzik?

Anonymous said...

Proud Amway Hater: Anonymous.
A#@ H#$%

Icee Irony said...

A PONZI scheme, is what it's correctly referred to, is a) illegal, b) has NO product or service and there is ONLY cashflow, And c) when someone wants the money back that they invested, the entire thing falls apart.

It's not Amway that doesn't work or that Amway is a scam; Amway is just an online store that sells products that gives a normal person the opportunity to create their own store and become a distributor. If you contact Amway customer service, they know about WWG/WWDB and you can ask them exactly what you want and they'll tell you what you want to know.

WWG is just a training organization. Amway is the supplier. You create your own store, create a cashflow through your household by buying from your own store, and teach others to do the same thing.. That's not a Ponzi scheme.

Anonymous said...

Amway made 11.8 billion in the last year alone. They have partner companies such as Apple, Nike, starbucks, and the bank of America. It is safe to say other billion dollar companies would not partner with an illegal pyramid or a system that doesn't work. Amway has been given a bad name at one time in history but just like any buisness in the 70s that still exists today, it has improved and has become a better opportunity. I would rather trust the results of a millionaire then the opinion of an average person.

Joecool said...

Amway did not make 11.8 billion last year. Their sales tanked the last 2 years and they only did 9.5 billion last year. The partner stores is a strawman. Nike and starbucks allows Amway IBOs to sell their products but they don't sell Amway stuff. Some partnership. While you're discussing partners, you forgot to mention that Amway used to be partners with WorldCom and Enron, two giant scams.

You would rather trust the results of a millionaire? Which one? What if I'm a millionaire?

Anonymous said...

Another moron shows up to claim that Amway is "partnering" with big companies. What utter bullshit.

Some companies let Amway sell some of their products. Big deal! Do you think these major corporations really give a fuck about Amway?

Amway is just a minor outlet for them. As I have said before, just because Macy's lets you sweep up outside their front door doesn't mean that you are "partnering" with Macy's.

Anonymous said...

i remember the hick howie danzik at q12 cut in front of my wife for the food, then he goes and scrapes all of the apple crisp (top layer of the applie pie dessert) onto his plate.. low class

Unknown said...

Howie has the audacity to tell people that only 5% will make it AND it can take 20 years of working for free to figure out if you are one of the 5%. You can make more money opening your own business, or investing wisely, and not take 20 years of your life, making the 5% Amway conartists rich. It is a con. They brainwash people into riches and glory while making more than rockstars at speaking engagements. You don't have to pay hundreds of dollars to learn how to sell. A good product or concept sells itself.

Tinos said...

I just don't understand why people use Howie and his family to talk bad about the Amway business. I have been introduced to the business 2 months ago, I have a couple downlines and Imake sure all my downlines have a downline too; so they can taste whatever I'm tasting. I always see checks hitting my bank account every months and I'm loving it. I careless if Howie or whoever in the WWDB is liar. All I know is I immigrated to this country, I was introduced to the business a couple years later; I gave it a try and it works; I stopped trying and now I'm ALL IN. My personal goal is to expand the business all over Europe and Africa.
Feel free to ask any questions about a successful life or anything. I accept BS too. tinosdelasvegas@yahoo.fr

Joecool said...

Howie gets criticized because he lied and pretended his first marriage didn't exist.

If you are making money, good luck. I doubt that you're making a net profit.

Unknown said...

can any body on here show me a check they got from Amway

Unknown said...

can any body on here show me a check they got from Amway please show me its worth the time

diehard518@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

wtf do yall even know what amway is lol

Anonymous said...

We all know that Amway is goddamned rip-off -- that's what we know, buddy. Too bad you don't know it.

Anonymous said...

I have seen the checks from Amway. What does it really matter who says what about Howie's first marriage. Mind your own business. If he wants to deny it existed, that's his right. Shame on all of you for thinking you have a say about what a man admits to or not. Some experiences are better left in the closet. I have an ex too and deny that he exists. That doesn't make me a liar. The point is that we want to stay positive in our organization. We are trying to make money just like everyone else. We are just trying to do it with other people so we don't have to go to work for someone else. That in itself is freedom. Being able to have my own store and sell company product is a privileged. It is not different than Mary Kay, Avon, or even Pampered Chef. Frankly it is no different than McDonald's or any other franchise and it costs a lot less to get started. I don't see you knocking those people and they do the same thing. Amway products are good products and even if all I do is buy the products for myself it is a good thing. I should have the right to share what I have found with others. If you have bad feelings, bad experiences, or just don't like the idea of people having something, however small, for themselves, you should keep it to yourself. What do you gain by publicly bashing people who are trying to do something they want to do? Who are you to call names and say that we are ignorant because we chose to be involved with a company we trust and want to share with others? Why ruin it for other people because you hear stories or believe gossip or you think you know the truth of all the worlds situations and events. Frankly, I like the company and my dad sold Amway back in the day. It isn't a cult nor is it a scheme of any kind. I haven't been brainwashed, but I have been shown a possibility. If I take it that is for me. Why do all those here feel they have a say in what I choose or what others choose. If it isn't for you, keep your opinions to yourself and let those of us who chose to be a part do it with dignity. I think it is amazing that negativity is so ugly here. You're life might be better if you were an Amway IBO...you'd be more positive for one thing and way less hateful.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 11:21 AM --

If you're so happy with Amway, why the hell have you come here to an anti-Amway website?

If you don't like what we say here, why are you reading it?

Who the hell are you to tell us what we can say or write at this website? What business is it of yours?

We're not hateful. We're truthful. It's too bad you can't see that.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 11:21 AM --

You say that your dad "sold Amway back in the day."

How much money did your dad lose during his time in Amway? Or is that another deep dark secret, like Howie Danzik's first marriage?

Not-from-here said...

I stopped reading after, "I have an ex too and deny that he exists. That doesn't make me a liar."... because YES!, yes it does.

Unknown said...

Hi Aleesha. What kind of revenue do you make annually?

Anonymous said...

Aleesha makes her money standing on a street corner, under a lamppost. It's mostly a night-time business.

Anonymous said...

Howie and Theresa Danzik are the most generous and loving couple I have ever met! They have the biggest hearts and just love everyone! My children also know them personally, as they are very available and coach us. We have paid off so much debt, helped other people start their own businesses, and I had the option to step away from my plan A job thanks to them. When I first started my business, I read this thread and had doubts. However, after learning the way that Howie and Theresa teach others to leverage the business, I quickly realized you cannot google how H&T leverage the company. You just have to see for yourself. I cannot unsee the handful of freedom day parties of people H&T have helped in the business. It’s incredible:)

Joecool said...

Can you please explain why Howie divorced his previous wife Susan and then claimed he went diamond as a single? That is a bold faced lie because I attended a function where Howie and Susan spoke about how they went diamond together.

Anonymous said...

Why are these assholes still coming here to defend that creep Howie Danzig?

Anonymous said...

AMEN!! Lol