Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Amway - No Tools = No Help From Upline?

One of the things that continues today, that should not is uplines refusing to help downline IBOs who are not dedicated to purchasing tools. It makes perfect sense that uplines would shun downline IBOs who no longer buy tools because the upline now has no profit center from an IBO who has shown less than 100% dedication to the system. One of the ways upline promotes the system is to love bomb their downline. I heard and have reason to believe uplines will discuss being friends for life with downline, yet that same downline, once they miss a few meetings, would be shunned and labeled as a quitter or a loser or both.

One example of this was when I was still an IBO and I had stopped attending meetings. About a month after I went inactive, I had a death in my family. Not a single one of my "friends for life" bothered to call me or attend the memorial service. I suppose it's friends for life as long as you continue to build the business. I remember some WWDB leaders saying that the relationship is fractured because of the person who quit the business. As if the only thread keeping that relationship alive was the business. Fortunately, I was able to rebuild friendships with my pre-Amway friends as I had missed many birthday parties and other social events as a result of my dedication to the business.

For those being prospected into Amway, something to observe and think about would be whether you have a genuine relationship with your sponsor and/or upline or a superficial relationship based primarily upon your dedication to the Amway business. If you are an ongoing IBO, what have you observed about your sponsor or upline? Do they know your kid's names? Are they interested in you as a person or only as a customer of their standing orders and functions? Only you know the answer but remember this. Upline's defacto demand that you attend all meetings, means you are putting your upline and the Amway business as top priority in your life, making family and other interests in your life secondary or less. Some upline even go so far as to discourage young people from college because Amway will give you a better life. Sadly, less than one half of one percent ever make any real money in Amway. The masses end up losing, ironically because of tool purchases. Ongoing IBOs can do the math and the result is conclusive. That tools eat up all or most of an IBO's profits. In fact when examining a group of tool consuming IBOs, it is very likely that expenses will exceed income, because of the tools.

Ask yourself if your upline is helping you because they want your success or if they want your dedication as a tools customer. I think you can only make one conclusion if you view this neutrally. Your upline is more interested in selling you tools than helping you succeed.

17 comments:

colin said...

The upline usually discourage college cause it takes them away from building the business. Amway might have one young kid out of thousands earning 50-60k and these peop think it's big money. The past two months while at starbucks i noticed young amway distributors talking about someone in their upline making 80k+ and how little effort it takes. My upline didnt like my comment about recording,sharing,etc instead of purchasing the tools. Back then i thought the only way to make any money was to get others to purchase these overpriced products and to not buy anything.

Anonymous said...

50-60K/year is big money considering that you put in a couple of hours per week to generate that kind of income. I bet that young kid makes more than you make at your job.
As for your last comment on making money by getting others to purchase those overpriced products by not buying anything, I'm speechless. It's such an idiotic comment in both, semantics and meaning. Are you sure about you and Joecool not being one and the same person? You two share striking similarities.

Joecool said...

50 to 60K is not big money if you have $50K in expenses. It's also "not all that" if your downline is getting screwed over so you can make that money. Sorry dude, I am not Colin. Funny coming from the Anonymous guy from Canada who uses all kinds of names on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Only a couple of hours a week? That's BS. Diamonds are always busy running around working the business. Once you let up, your business backslides. Diamonds probably work harder than a guy with a 9-5 job.

colin said...

Anon, the owner of amway Rich Devos in a interview says it's impossible to make 50k+ a yr with only a few hours a week of effort. It's clear you have no idea with how this business works. The job i had wasnt a get rich quick scheme and took years longer to retire but i did retire before triple diamond greg duncan. Last i heard greg is still peddling tools & seminars while im on the beaches of phuket thailand 6 months a yr.

colin said...

Anon, when i was in the business all i cared about was making money. Why on earth would i buy something from amway and overpay for something? When i can go over to the local Kmart or wallmart? Goal was to find 20 customers and when i realize nobody wanted to buy anything i quit. Also i had no urge to waste money on buying tools or going to seminars.

Anonymous said...

Says who that one has $50K in expenses in Amway? That's the usual crap you make up. How is my downline screwed over so I can make that money? Funny, my downline are not complaining about it and neither am I. And it takes a couple of hours per week. When you add it all up on top of your own couple of weekly hours, you get tens of hours of work that translates into money. When you work a job it takes your own tens of hours to make that same kind of money. To me, that's not very attractive and productive. There's no leveraging in a job. Here on the other hand leveraging works and continues even when you stop building your business provided that when you started you did it the right way to have good leveraging. If not, then it will backslide. And speaking of traditional home based business, that one will backslide because there's no leveraging involved. So Diamonds don't work that hard, they work smart. And they don't live with the 9-5 job insecurity in mind. So sorry to burst your chickenpox bubble, it must hurt pretty bad.

Joecool said...

The attorney general, Bruce Craig of Wisconsin did a study of platinum distributors and they had an average loss of $900 annually despite their income. While the study is a bit dated, I will note that while Amway income may have gone up, the systems added signifcant expenses as well, such as KATE and other system related functions. Add in shipping costs and it is EASY to conclude that platinums can still be losing money unless their focus is on selling goods. Diamonds don't work smart. They work hard, but instead of working 9-5, they work from 7 pm to 3:00 am.

Anonymous said...

Yeah right, LOL! Joecool knows it all because he's there with the Diamonds every single day! I thought you quit long time ago... what's up with that claim that you know it all? What's up with Bruce Craig? Is Bruce Craig paying my bills? Is Bruce Craig generating me income to live my goals and dreams? Is Bruce Craig teaching me by example how to be personally and financially free? Hello? Bruce Craig never approached me! It is said that he did a study but that's about it. Unless Bruce Craig is my teacher and can show me that he has what I want, he's going to be just Bruce Craig much like you're still going to be just Joecool. You're not offering me anything compelling.

Joecool said...

Bruce Craig isn;t profiting from selling you useless tools. Try googline Bruce Craig and Amway. You will see for yourself. Just because I am trying to inform you of a scam doesn't obligate me to offer you anything compelling.

Anonymous said...

I'm not profiting from Bruce Craig either so that argument is over. Trying to inform someone of a scam doesn't oblige you to offer anything compelling in return, that much is true. However, when a supposed scam doesn't turn out to be a scam but you knowingly and willingly continue to say it's a scam, that obliges you to offer something compelling in return.

Joecool said...

Nearly all Amway participants make nothing or lose money. Many of them think they will be rich. It looks like and sounds like a scam to me.

Anonymous said...

You didn't address the issue here. When you knowingly and willingly continue to say Amway is a scam when it clearly isn't, that obliges you to offer something compelling in return. By the way, did you pick up the phone and call a Diamond couple requesting to spend a week with them to learn about Amway the right way?

Joecool said...

Okay here you go. Do nothing. Sit on a sofa and watch "the Simpsons". Panhandle, working part time for minimum wage. All of these suggestions are much more lucrative than Amway.

Which diamond would I want to spend time with? Greg didn't call me back when I asked to spend a week with him.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Do nothing, sit on a sofa to watch "The Simpsons", panhandle, get minimum wage... and you'll live like a KING!
I met plenty of idiots in my life but none as famous and as notorious as YOU! You cry out that Amway is the problem, that Diamonds brainwash people with Amway propaganda but Diamonds see more to life than what you see, in the way you put it and in the way you live it accordingly. You're an amazing guru! So where's your gathering of kings?!

Joecool said...

You NEVER asked me what you can do to live like a king. You asked what was better than Amway. Clearly, since most IBOs LOSE MONEY, doing nothing is better than doing Amway.

Anonymous said...

*crickets*