Tuesday, August 18, 2020

Upline Love?

 I recall the love bombing in Amway.  It was quite weird to me.  I mean who says they love you just shortly after joining Amway?   The relationships were basically superficial as those who left Amway were shunned and often called losers.  Funny how you can go from loved to being a loser in a few short days.

Upline would justify it by saying the person leaving was breaking the relationship so it was on them.  Amway leaders are good at blaming the victim.   It was never about the lousy business of Amway that caused the IBO to quit.  Selling generic nature products for high end prices is a challenge that the vast majority of people cannot manage. 

The inability to move products and sponsor people seem to be the reason why people quit so often.  Then you add in the never ending costs of paying for personal use products, tools and functions.  It takes a huge toll on IBOa and the most likely reason why so many people quit so often.  

It is not because They IBOs are lazy or incompetent.  It’s because when they join Amway, they join a business opportunity that is designed for the majority to fail.  That is the nature of MLM and Amway.  You need to constantly recruit new members or the scheme will fall apart like a cheap suit.  

Being that Amway is now an online business, you’d think they would be flourishing but I suspect that Amway and their IBOs are suffering because they can’t recruit new members easily.  And recruitment is a red flag of a product pyramid scheme.  I’m not here to condemn Amway but 2020 sales figures are likely to support my suspicions.  


Anonymous said...

A lot of Amway's recruitment process depends on personal, face-to-face contact. It involves friendly overtures, glad-handing, joking, socializing, exchanging stories, and of course the exploitation of family relationships and old friendships.

All of that disappears in an "on-line" attempt to recruit someone. You can't indulge in the loud-mouth schmoozing and back-slapping that goes with the traditional MLM recruitment methods. You can't give a big phony smile and a hearty handshake to a disembodied person on a computer.

The Amway racket has always been aimed at small-town, lower-middle-class schmucks who respond to folksy, friendly, in-person talk. They are the sort of persons who enjoy going to a church social, or a neighborhood barbecue. They instinctively trust in-person human interaction.

That isn't going to be the case when you try to recruit a totally different generation of people whom you approach on-line.

Gmoney said...

That's why I checked back here. Are the Amway sales force members still recruiting in person throughout the pandemic? You'd think that their opportunity to snag a new recruit is as close to 0% as possible with social distancing.

Anonymous said...

They might still be trying to recruit in person, but it's probably very difficult. Many people are staying at home for the most part, and there certainly aren't big crowds at bookstores and shopping malls. The opportunities for meeting people in the flesh simply aren't there.

But Amway freaks won't admit this, since they are not allowed to "talk negative." They will probably tell you that business is fine, and that they are recruiting scores of new IBOs. Lying through their teeth, as usual.

Anonymous said...

They are encouraging people to use LinkedIn to find new prey since they cannot lurk around businesses. And they use Zoom to do all of their meet and greets. All of their meetings and functions are streamed online, but they are still charging regular ticket prices they charge for in-person events.

Anonymous said...

Who the hell would want to have a ZOOM meeting with somebody in Amway? Can you imagine anything more boring?

Anonymous said...

Here after a lady tried to recruit me through LinkedIn. I caught onto it early, but humored her until I could get a name and confirm my suspicions. Googling Amway's tactics, I realized it sounded a lot like when a VCU classmate invited me to an "exciting opportunity" years ago. A friend tipped me off that it sounded like a pyramid scheme, so I didn't end up going. But my classmate was Candice Winston (then Candice Lee), and it's crazy realizing she's toward the top of the sleaze pile.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous on September 3rd, that is CRAZY. Manny and Candice Winston are now diamonds I think in the Leadership Team Development (LTD) amway training group. Both of them are extremely fake like all the people brainwashed in amway are. Candice likes to talk about all the people that rejected her and her husband's "offer" to join this scheme at large conferences. She says "success is the best revenge". I agree, all the people I know who quit Amway and are doing big things like starting legit businesses and not losing money in this dumb scheme.

Anonymous said...

What made them fake?

Anonymous said...

They are fakes because they lie to prospective recruits in an MLM racket that is specifically designed to bring failure to 99% of the membership, and to enrich a few con-men types at the top of the pyramid. Sure, they may be rich. But they are rich in the same way that bigshots in the Colombian drug cartels are rich.

When Candice talks about being pleased when persons refuse her husband's business offer, and that success is the best revenge, she is merely echoing the late Charlie Marsh, one of Amway's early gods. Marsh always said that he smiled when a person turned down his Amway business proposition, because (as he would say) "it proves there's another person who is not as smart as me."

It's part of the entire Amway culture of denigrating and showing contempt for anyone not in the business.