Wednesday, September 29, 2010

Amway - Pigs Don't Know Pigs Stink

I recently came across some comments on a blog indicating that they had recently heard comments about "Pigs don't know pigs stink". This stems from a tape recorded by a diamond named Dave Severn. The slogan was quite popular when I was an IBO and I'm sure that some IBOs still toss around the phrase. It was basically used to describe people who wren't in Amway. THey worked hard at their jobs but they were "broke" and weren't getting anywhere. At least the IBOs (who were also broke) were doing something about their financial situation (Amway!). So the ignorant rest of the population didn't know any better, thus the term pigs don't know pigs stink.

Having been out of the business and having done a great deal of research about Amway and the Amway groups such as WWDB and BWW, I can say the exact same thing about IBOs. IBOs don't know IBOs stink. Of course I don't mean that literally, but business building IBOs order their products each month. The pay for their standing orders and attend all the functions. They try to recruit new prospects and they use all the catchy phrases taught by their upline or off a cd. They are very likely losing money each and every month, all the while thinking they are becoming successful and better or nicer people. At the end of the year, they sometimes suffer massive losses in the thousands because purchasing all of the tools and training materials add up to a tidy sum of cash after a while.

At the functions, they smile and act positive, even when they are losing their shirts. Upline will edify their dedication and teach them two very important, but self serving advice. They will teach IBOs to never quit, and that if IBOs quit or fail, it is always their own fault, even if they did everything upline taught them. In this manner, upline removes any responsibility for the IBO's failure. Ironically, upline is quick to accept responsbility for any success (even if there is little). All the while, IBOs are attending all the meetings, doing all the steps they have been taught. They act alike and in many cases, look alike. Most of them also share a common result. They are losing money, and many are losing lots of it. They are simply taught to ignore the losses and to remain positive. Most people eventually figure it out and walk away from Amway. Most will never mention their involvement again and because many are sponsored by friends and family, will never file any formal complaint or dicuss their displeasure.

The IBOs continue to associate with their positive and active fellow IBOs, all the while their bank accounts are shrinking and transfering funds to upline. Pigs don't know pigs stink indeed.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

Listen here JoeCool, your the only pig here. You keep writing all of your BS about Amway and you keep bashing this business that does so much good in this world. Who do you think you are with your opinions? My upline is right, everyone has an opinion and wants to share it but your opinion is a bunch of crap. One day your going to run into some IBO's and you better have answers for your behaviour.

Joecool said...

Oink oink. What answers do your fellow IBOs want? They can ask me questions right here on the blog. Although I must say the weather in Hawaii is great right now.

Anonymous said...

Ask you questions? A guy like you? Mmmmh, no... I'll pass.

Joecool said...

All talk and no action?

Anonymous said...

Well, you're the one who does all the talking Joecool. Your blog is full of it.

colin said...

Joecool, i guess you havent stood near Dave Severn after he spoke at some function. He smelled worst than a pig.

Joecool said...

Well, Anon from Canada, you going to post your name and give me contact information? Or will you crawl back into the rathole you came out of?

rocket said...

Oh, Look out Joecool! If you ever run into a group of IBO's you will have to explain your behaviour!

Ooooh . Idle threats are so much fun.

Dan Severn looks like he could use a little less pork in his diet.

Joecool said...

Hey Rocket. I'm shaking in my boots. Actually, that post came from Canada so that anonymous is closer to your city than mine. I wish some of them would visit Hawaii and walk the beaches with me. Apparently some IBOs have taken these last bunch of posts quite personally. Oh well, the truth hurts sometimes.

Anonymous said...

Since you are the 'guru' and I am the student, it should be the other way around. You should give me your contact and I talk to you live. How's that?

Anonymous said...

and there you have it, folks: anon from canada has ONCE AGAIN proven to all of bloggerland how much of an idiot he is by launching yet another useless attack against joecool (who lives up to his name, by the way). hey anon, instead of wasting your time on here, why aren't you out there doing your stuff like all the other IBOs? didn't they teach you anything about time management as one of the keys to success? hmmmmmm????

you make me sick!

Joecool said...

Contact me at hawaiianibo1@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

It is funny how the Scamway lemmings always find the time to respond in anger to negative FACTS that are posted about their money draining cult. I suppose it is a defense mechanism that rationalizes why they are in so deep, drowning in a process that was supposed to save them and make them financially independent. When I was an IBO in the early 90's we did not have access to the wealth of information and facts available on the internet. Are these people really so brain washed that they ignore the facts and information available to them?
Former WWDB Lemming

Anonymous said...

Looks like anonymous from Canada chickened out.

Anonymous said...

Looks like you talk too much. Typical of Amway haters and quitters. Joecool, by the way, interesting observation about your email, hawaiianibo1@yahoo.com

Meet http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/tex-goes-into-quiet-modefor-now.html run by a guy who calls himself Tex and claims to be from Texas, USA. Apparently he is under a lawsuit brought against him by Amway and he wants all the support he can get. In his own terms:

'However, if you're interested in helping me defend myself, let me know. I can use facts and cash, so send me your facts to hawaiianibo@yahoo.com and let me know if you're willing to send the cash, and I'll set up an account that is managed by an outside party, to provide you confidence the money is used to defend IBOs financially abused by their upline and Amway. '

See here, hawaiianibo@yahoo.com and hawaiianibo1@yahoo.com... what would hawaiianibo have anything to do with a guy who claims to be from Texas, USA? Who do you think you can fool just by adding a 1? You can't even properly lie about your own identity it seems. You and Tex are one and the same guy. Just different blogs and make-believe personality. Even posting on each other's blog under pseudonyms Joecool and Tex.

Anonymous said...

Also, your real name is Steve Nakamura, born April 17, 1966 and you graduated from University of Hawaii at Manoa in 1989. With that info we can track you down and bring you to justice.

Joecool said...

LOL, conspiracy theory much? Tex is from Plano Texas. My name is Steve Nakamura? Really? That's not the name my mom gave me when I was born. You got any proof of that anonymous loser from Canada?

Joecool said...

BTW, I just check my email and I guess the anonymous is a coward as well. What justice are you trying to bring me to? You going to refund the money I wasted on Amway tools? Your idle threats are laughable, especially when you ISP is left on this site when you post here.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry about me Steve. You have a lot to worry about yourself. I have found and forwarded additional personal information about you to Amway and law enforcement agencies. Stay tuned.

Joecool said...

Well then in case something happens to me, here's how you can track down our anonymous friend in Canada:

Rogers Cable (99.245.94.215) ID address]
Scarborough, Ontario, Canada

Joecool said...

BTW, for those interested in the Hawaiianibo email that Tex has. An anonymous person posting as "Hawaiian IBO" posted incorrect data about me on Tex's blog, claiming to know my real identity. So Tex (the racist, liar and moron) created that Hawaiianibo email as a contact for the anonymous commenter to contact him. Presumably, he either made up things about me or Tex himself (the racist, liar and moron) made up the entire story about my identity.

I created the Hawaiianibo1 email to make fun of Tex.

Anonymous said...

Nice explanation Steve, what can we say! Wonderful! The two of you just go hand in hand. What's up with that 'in case something happens to me...' line? Do I sense fear? Didn't we see you up until today act like a tough, big boy who loves to show off his muscles behind the computer screen? Or were we mistaken? What we see now is a little, scared man with an about-to-burst bladder. Counting down. You'll have plenty of time to dry up behind bars.

Joecool said...

Who's scared? I gave you my contact information but you're too chicken to contact me. All you di is hide behind your keyboard tapping out your idle threat messages.

Anonymous said...

This is no idle threat son. It's the real deal.

Joecool said...

Hmm, I gave you my contact info but there's no contact.

Anonymous said...

You're 100% right. There's no contact from me. Instead, it will be Amway and the law enforcement agencies that will contact you.

Joecool said...

Keep on yacking. I've been waiting and nothing is happening.

Anonymous said...

I still don't get it Anonymous from Canada... what do you think they'll arrest Joe Cool for? Hurting your feelings perhaps? Everything he writes is factual. If you were for real you would post your identity here. If there was any truth to what you say you would try to disprove him with actual facts. The FACT is you have no FACTS only the fictional bull#%$% that your upline feed you.

Joecool said...

Hey anonymous from Canada, Amway and the law enforcement authorities haven't contacted me yet.

Anonymous said...

That anonymous from Canada is a blowhard. Big talk but nothing to back it up. A little chicken ass trying to act big. Look how he runs and hides now.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand... Why would Steve 'Tex' Yamamoto, from Honolulu (Texas), or whoever else, have to fear years and years in jail ?

Having an opinion that is not the same as" Anonymous from Canada" 's upline and "bashing this business that does so much good in this world" are maybe horrendous crimes in some IBOs view but I guess it would be difficult to find a judge and/or jury who agrees and sentences the miscreant to life without parole, death penalty or a broke loser's life in a JOB...

Oh, by the way : pigs don't stink ! Pig's poop stinks, of course, but so does most peoples, too (even IBO's), and if a pig has a bath it even smells good.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous from Canada must have slinked back to ghetto where he came from. JoeCool is still here. Maybe the authorities took anon to jail?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous from Canada is just another Scamway Lemming trying to validate his existence. He, not unlike most IBOs is probably brain washed and afraid of the truth. I have no doubt that he will be back to make idle threats.

Joecool said...

Hey Anonymous from Canada, I'm still here running the blog and noone from Amway or law enforcement has contacted me. You have not contacted me either? I know you're reading this but I guess you slinked back into your cave?

Anonymous said...

We live in America so I believe we are all free to share our opinions. I don't agree with you as far as upline's accepting responsibility for success. In any MLM training organization that has produced as many leaders as wwdb or bww has would agree that the whole idea is to have the upline free from the failure or success of the downline while taking responsibility for doing everything they can to make their downline successful without crippling them. I believe as an upline myself that it is your responsibility as an ibo to make your business work reguardless of your upline. I would also reguard pigs don't know pigs stink as a cd that primarily is saying if you have a job in general your screwed our of time or money. To address the financial problems i believe that you should be able to sell your products continuously we're business owners not product buyers exclusively. Sell the products in Amway there's hundreds of products in some other companies there are only a few and if in some companies people can make it work without alot of money to start up and sell lots of vitamins, or vitagel, or whatever then I believe that the fact is you can make Amway or any other company work so long as the products don't suck.

Anonymous said...

true, but all of that can be done without the tools and endless functions. that's the long-standing crux of the matter.