Wednesday, October 18, 2017

Amway ""Partner" Stores And The. BBB??

I recently saw comments on this blog from an apparent Amway defender. The comments extolled the virtues of Amway partner stores such as Nike and Apple. To be honest, I don't know if Amway actually partners with Nike and Apple but let's say they do. What does the partner store designation mean? All it means is that Amway IBOs get to list Apple and Nike stuff in their catalogues. If they manage to sell any Nike or Apple stuff, they get a commission paid by NIe or Apple through Amway. But of course, because of the IBO bonuses and because Amway needs to make some money on the transaction, the prices of Nike and Apple products in the Amway catalogue cannot compare (in general) to to big retailers or even Internet shops like Amazon.com.

Assuming that Nike and Apple are truly Amway "partners", they have a one sided partnership. Nike and Apple don't do anything for Amway IBOs except to allow them to sell their products for premium prices on a commission only basis. Meaning is nothing gets sold, Nike and Apple do not have to compensate anyone. It's a no brainer for Nike and Apple. If people sell your stuff for top prices, you pay a commission but if they sell nothing, you pay nothing. It's a great deal for Nike and Apple, again, assuming they really are Amway "partners". Heck, if JoeCool made "I hate Amway" stickers and Amway wanted to be my partner, I would do it too. Nothing to lose and much to gain.

Now, about the BBB. I don't know what Amway's rating actually is because they could be "A' rated in Michigan for example, and not "A" rated in Arizone. The rating has a lot to do with Amway dealing with complaints to the BBB. If they deal with complaints, then they might get a good rating. However, many people are sponsored by friends and family and simply do not register complaints about Amway even if they had a bad experience. But even if they registered, it was likely against an LOS (Line of sponsorship) such as BWW (Britt Worldwide) or WWDB (WOrld Wide Dream Builders) or N21 (Network21). These are for profit third party companies designed to help recruit and train Amway IBOs and who profit even if Amway IBOs lose their shirts. Often these groups are not rated with the Better Business Bureau (BBB). Individual Amway IBOs who do bad and unethical things are also not registered with the BBB so their bad behavior would not be rated by the BBB.

Why do you suppose Amway has such a bad name reputation while their IBOs brag about Amway's alleged BBB reputation? IBOs and their training companies are not Amway. It's very possible that Amway would not approve of the things done by individual IBOs or the training groups but Amway for too long (in my opinion) has profited because of the bad behavior of the lines of sponsorship and the bad behavior of individual IBOs who they claim they can't control. Perhaps if Amway cannot contain the bad behavior, they should not be allowed to profit from this bad behavior and should be fined or have restrictions imposed upon them like Herbalife did last year.

I believe I have thoroughly debunked the partner store and BBB myth, but I'm sure Amway IBOs and defenders will be back to raise the issue again soon. LOL

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Amway has to spout the silly lie about "partnering" with big corporations because Amway is basically a small-time operation, and the people in Amway are very defensive about that. So they fantasize this nonexistent "partnership" with Nike, Apple, Macy's and whatever other company allows Amway to list some of their products. Hey, we're "partnering" with the big guys!

It's total bullshit. These big corporations don't give a hot about a dime-store soap-and-vitamin racket like Amway. They just let Amway sell some of their stuff.

Imagine if Macy's department store gave some bum a few bucks to sweep up their front entrance. Would the bum be justified in saying that's he's "partnering" with Macy's?

That's exactly what these big companies are doing with Amway. Amway is just a bum who's been allowed to sweep up their front entrance.

Anonymous said...

"only to discover that I was not profitable!" Explains perspectuve

Unknown said...

Lmfao you're such a joke take this L dumbass piece of fucking shit pleb

Anonymous said...

To Unknown at 9:51 AM --

You're certainly stupid enough to be in Amway. How much money have you lost so far in the racket?

You can't even write a coherent English sentence to express your opinion? Better go back to grade school, pal.

Unknown said...

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Anonymous said...

WTF?

Anonymous said...

Unknown @ December 1: I would strongly recommend that before you consider the merits of Amway pyramid schemes or any other occupation, that you seek at least an elementary education level.

Unknown said...

Someone who has no clue about Amway is actually making a blog post about it.. Woah! What a shocker MR. Expert ^ Doesnt even know about partnered with Amway, I get it freedom of speech, but I'm sorry you failed in the business but do we need people in the 98% club so that you can work for the rest of your life and us over in free enterprise will be livin it up and enjoying life☺ You seem like a great writer maybe you should do something better with your time. lol.

Anonymous said...

To Unknown at May 13 --

We know PLENTY about Amway here at this blog and website. The endless testimony that has appeared here from countless persons who have experienced the lying bullshit of Amway is proof of that. Amway is a rip-off and a scam.

As for Amway "partnering" with big companies, that is a total lie, and you know it. The only thing those big companies do is allow Amway to sell some of their stuff to IBOs at a small discount. That's not "partnering," you jackass! Big companies become partners with someone who is their equal. They don't become partners with a dipshit nickel-and-dime MLM like Amway.

William said...

What experience do these others have with Amway? I have made money , I only buy what I need and tell some one else they may want to buy or say no . What is the big deal? You start with $100.00 business with a 180 day refund. And you have all the perks any other business.

Joecool said...

But in Amway $100 gets me a bottle of double x while I can get a cartload of goods at WalMart or Costco. And people know this which is why they avoid Amway.

kwaaikat said...

Even if it means something, the rating with the BBB applies to the Amway corporation. As do the partnerships with Nike and Apple. As do the fact that Amway has been in business since 1958. The opportunity at hand is not shares in the Amway corporation, which I'm sure would be great, I too would consider it if it was on offer, and if it wasn't for a few ethical objections. The Amway corporation is the supplier of products of the business opportunity they are defending.

If I'm signing up to sell Coca-Cola, or Apple or Samsung products, or Adidas or Ray-Bans, the ratings of those companies, their partnerships and how wonderful they are, have little bearing on my business's prospects of success. It is not going to impress a bank manager, or investor, if I say the business's prospects are great because the company whose products I sell has an A+ rating with the BBB. What matters is whether I have a business plan where I offer a product to consumers at a price and in a sufficiently uncrowded niche where the products will sell while I still profit, at a decent enough rate that it's worth my time and that it can cover my overheads.

Amway defenders continuously confuse the low commissions micro business opportunity they sign up for, with the Amway corporation. That is ironic in view of their disparaging remarks about the idea of employment, because it has all the hallmarks of seeing Amway or at least their LoS group as their employer, and the upline as their boss. You said previously it was effectively a commissions only sales job. It is. With some differences of course: sales jobs with a low or no basic salary often pay very good commissions, good sales people have a lot of independence if they bring in the numbers, and such sales people are definitely not ashamed to tell people what they are selling!

Returning to the point, the rating at the BBB, Amway's partnerships with Nike, and Amway being in business since 1958 are really quite irrelevant. If you ask how much they make, the one extremely relevant question, they come with nonsense tactics to avoid answering the question, such as that the question should be "how much you could make", "I don't know - I'm still counting" as if no other business has marketing efforts that pay off later (which does not excuse them from having to answer the question of how much they've actually pocketed). They'll even say it's employee mindset that makes you ask the question.

Or they'll go on a rant about Amway or some wealthy upline. Everything to avoid telling you about their business whose "success" they want you to emulate. Just like the BBB or the Nike partnership, they'd rather say meaningless pseudo impressive things about another business, not their own, no relevant data based probable earnings on the opportunity, they want you to sign up for.

ps: some real gems in the defender comments! I was hoping to see something coherent enough to respond to, but no luck there, unfortunately. Great job with the blog.

Joecool said...

Great comments kwaaikat!

What the upline cleverly does is to try to use someone else's reputation as if that carries onto your own personal Amway business. It does not.

And even if Amway has a decent BBB rating or not has nothing to do with Amway IBO's independent businesses.